Navigating Bladder Cancer Treatment: Understanding the Role of Academic and Community Centers
In navigation of bladder cancer treatment, what role do academic and community centers take? Expert Dr. Shaakir Hasan from Beth Israel Lahey Health discusses efforts that have been taken to bridge the gap between academic and community care, goals of collaborative care, and proactive patient advice.
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“…do your own research. But don’t be so kind of close-minded to think, oh, academic center, that’s going to be the best quality care community center, that’s going to be subpar. No, dig a little bit deeper, ask specifically, what do you offer and try to do a little bit of your own research and say, is there bladder preservation? Is there immunotherapy? Do you offer clinical trials, and then kind of go from there.”
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Transcript:
Lisa Hatfield:
Dr. Hasan, what role do academic centers play in the treatment of bladder cancer, and why might patients at these centers receive different care compared to those at non-academic centers?
Dr. Shaakir Hasan:
So, the kind of “good answer” here is that they shouldn’t. There really shouldn’t be a difference in care. And I do think having been at many different types of institutions to the hardcore academics to community centers in rural communities, I have seen this transformation of, it used to be where you get the best care at these academic centers, and then you get very mediocre care at the rural communities. And they’ve made a conscious effort all throughout the country to bridge that gap.
And I think they’re doing a really good job, because you’ll like to see a lot of centers that will kind of bring everyone together and centralize the treatment, and then just kind of teach or kind of distribute the treatments the same way at other places. And I’ll also tell you that a lot of physicians are really good at what they do. A lot of times, the limitations are the resources, not so much skills or capabilities of a clinician.
So I would say as a patient, don’t be if you’re out in a rural community or a community center, don’t let that scare you or think that you’re going to get inadequate treatment, just because of that but do ask about the resources, do ask about the capabilities. If you’re in a radiation clinic, ask about the technology. If you’re in a medical oncology clinic, ask about immunotherapy and what’s available in clinical trials, et cetera. Now the question of academic centers is actually quite interesting because if you look at our research, if you look at the study that we did on bladder cancer, for example, you see that there is kind of a worse outcome at academic centers.
Now that’s not because, I don’t think that that’s because they’re doing a worse job. It’s just that patients tend to send more complicated cases to those centers, right? And so this is one of those, you know, correlation, not cusation things. And so if you look at the outcomes, you’re going to see probably worse outcomes at academic centers just because there are more complicated cases.
But if you try to isolate that, you know, stage for stage, we have to see that the results are quite similar, thankfully, alluding to kind of what I mentioned before, that the care should be starting to equalize among centers. And so I think that that’s kind of where we’re heading. What I do think academic centers might offer more so than communities is just specialized care. So if you have a urologist that all they do is bladder cancer, that’s all they do all day, that’s probably going to be someone that you want to seek out. And you know, I think a lot of urologists in the communities will say, “Hey, you got to go check out this person who only does bladder cancer.” And I think hopefully they’ll, you know, they’ll have that appropriate kind of referral pattern.
But on the other hand, there is something…there are other very simple procedures that anybody can do. And you should feel, you know, you should feel comfortable getting that done in the community. For radiation, I can tell you that there might be some specialized physicians that are only doing GU, and they have a bladder preservation program that might be done differently, implemented differently at an academic center than in the community.
But I’ll also say also caution patients, you know, there also may be some academic centers, and I’ve been at them that don’t have a program at all for bladder preservation. But there are some of the communities that do. So I think my kind of [ACT]IVATION tip here is do your own research. But don’t be so kind of close-minded to think, oh, academic center, that’s going to be the best quality care community center, that’s going to be subpar. No, dig a little bit deeper, ask specifically, what do you offer and try to do a little bit of your own research and say, is there bladder preservation? Is there immunotherapy? Do you offer clinical trials, and then kind of go from there.
Lisa Hatfield:
Okay. Thank you. That’s a great [ACT]IVATION tip. And I also like that you mentioned seeking out a specialist, I’m a huge advocate for that. I don’t have bladder cancer, I have another kind of cancer. But even if it’s just for an initial consult, or for a consultation about treatment, talk to somebody who deals with that on a very regular basis, or maybe exclusively, so thanks for that comment.
Dr. Shaakir Hasan:
And actually, I’ll follow up on that and also say, you know, sometimes it’s worth it just to get that opinion, and then have them help direct the care and be involved in your care. And they can always go back and say, “Oh, hey, let me talk to your local oncologist. I know you live 10 miles away from your local oncologist, you live three hours away from me. But we can still get you the same care, we’re going to be in communication, you’ll get my input, and then we’ll take care of you.” So yeah, it’s definitely more of a collaborative effort these days. And it’s for the better.
