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DLBCL Treatment and Research Updates Patients Should Know About

DLBCL Treatment and Research Updates Patients Should Know About from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

What diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL) treatment and research updates should patients know about? Expert Dr. Amitkumar provides an overview of recent updates and shares credible resources to learn about emerging research.

Dr. Amitkumar Mehta is Director of the Lymphoma Program and CAR T Program and Medical Director of the Clinical Trials Office at O’Neal Comprehensive Cancer Center at UAB. Learn more about Dr. Mehta.

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Katherine:

The annual American Society of Hematology, or ASH, meeting happened recently, where DLBCL experts shared their research. Are there updates that patients should know about?

Dr. Mehta:

Absolutely. There are so many promising agents that were presented in a wide variety of different clinical trials, early phase or Phase I, Phase II, and also some of the advanced studies that were discussed. The promising right now, I say in a relapse setting, potentially curative is the CAR T. There was some long-term data, a newer platform of CAR T therapy, autologous, that means where patient’s own T cells have modified. There are quite many products already approved. Their long-term data, safety, and efficacy was discussed – very impressive. The new set of cellular therapy, which includes not only CAR T but other immune cell like NK cell therapy, which are also presented – very impressive. Now, remember, we need to auto our own CAR-T cells being processed. There is a time lag, about two or three weeks for preparing those cells compared to the others they’re over the shelf.

Of course, all of this data are early, but they are very promising going forward. The others are bispecific antibodies. So, so far what we have is the monoclonal antibodies targeting single antigen like CD20 or CD19. But now we have bispecific, which targets CD20 on one end but CD3, the T-cell antigen on the other end. And those antibodies have proven very effective in all B-cell lymphoma and large-cell lymphoma.

And there are so many other agents in early phase. As we go out more in-depth going forward, we will lower their efficacy and side effects and how they fare compared to the other approved agents. So, very exciting time for lymphoma patients. So, that even if it comes back, we have multiple options to have it back in remission and potentially a cure going forward.

Katherine:

Yeah. No, that’s great. How can patients learn more about emerging research?

Dr. Mehta:

Very important question. And currently, as we were discussing, Googling sometimes is not the right way because it is unfiltered information. And its sample size could be different. Somebody has a negative experience, and they would write that, and the person reading might have a different perception of the diagnosis and treatment. There are good websites, American Society of Hematology, American Society of Clinical Oncology, Lymphoma & Leukemia Society.

There are many other cancer societies. They have good information available. But the most important is actually the responsibility, in my opinion, lies on the provider. When the patient comes and sees me, I make sure that I share the information with the patient. And I direct them to the right source of information, and it should be interactive.

That means if they read something if they have any questions, they come back and ask me. At the end, it is our responsibility as a care team to be available, first of all, for any questions and provide right information. What I’ve learned through a period of time that that has helped patient quite a bit all across so that they don’t have to wander around for nonspecific information like on Google or other search platforms

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Katherine:

What treatment options are available for DLBCL patients?

Dr. Mehta:

So, it’s a very loaded question because, you know, front-line and relapse and field has evolved immensely over a period of years. But I’ll tell you that in a new diagnosis of DLBCL, still R-CHOP or R-EPOCH-based treatments are standard of care. We have – as a medical community, we have tried multiple times to improve upon the foundation of R-CHOP or R-EPOCH. But we have failed, unfortunately, that R-CHOP is still the best treatment.

There are multiple clinical trials, which are building on R-CHOP adding novel agents and see whether it gets better or not. So, therefore, when we discuss, we discuss always to ask about whether there is any clinical trial option. If the DLBCL comes back, which happens in about 30 to 40 percent of cases, there are so many treatment options.

There are novel options including bone marrow transplant. The CAR-T treatment, tafasitamab (Monjuvi), different CD19-directed therapies, or loncastuximab (Zynlonta) CD19-directed antibody drug conjugate. There are so many – polatuzumab (Polivy) – options available. Therefore, it is important to have a discussion with your provider that “Okay. Well, if it has come back, of course, it is disappointing. But what are my options, clinical trial options, novel therapeutic options,” so that we can work as a team with betterment and hoping to cure even if it has come back, a large cell lymphoma.

So, there are so many treatment options out there. I did not touch upon the clinical trial. There are so many clinical trials going on within amazing agents, which are very effective in DLBCL.

Katherine:

How are DLBCL patients monitored after treatment is completed?

Dr. Mehta:

Very importantly, if you go in remission and after the initial treatment or in a relapse setting, we have to keep an eye. And, of course, we want to detect if it comes earlier so that we can start the treatment earlier. Typically, in the beginning, in the initial two years, the follow-up could be closer, every four to six months we get together.

We have labs done. Sometimes we do scans, making sure that a lymphoma – there is no evidence of it coming back. So, the initial two to three years the follow could be closer. And then, as we space out, the follow spaces out further. And then, after you have a five-year mark where the lymphoma has not come back, the chance of it coming back goes further down. So, then I start follow-up annually on those patients. Yeah.

Tools for Setting DLBCL Treatment Goals

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Expert Dr. Amitkumar Mehta shares key steps for collaborating on diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL) treatment goals with your healthcare team.

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Katherine:

When someone is considering DLBCL treatment, what advice do you have for setting treatment goals with their healthcare team?

Dr. Mehta:

So, for any cancer and particularly DLBCL, the understanding of DLBCL is very, very important. So, what we do in our clinic, and I think it should it be a very standard process all across, is when I sit down with a patient with a new diagnosis of DLBCL, obviously, they’re in shock, number one. Number two, remember, if you go back 10 to 15 years, we did not have this much information. Now, you can Google it and find so much information.

It may be a positive, may be a negative. And, within a day, you are expert in DLBCL, right? But that’s not how it should be. So, the most important part, in the first visit, I sit down with my patient for an hour, hour-and-a-half. It’s an overwhelming visit for them, because I share a lot of information with them. So, the first thing is information. Second thing is trust with your team. It’s not just me. It’s my nurse. It’s my nurse practitioner. What is infusion center? What is a PET scanner? What I’m going to get as chemotherapy? What is the treatment looks like? So, all of this is a very important information.

And I always leave a door open that first visit. Don’t get overwhelmed. You may come back if you have more questions. Write down those questions, and we will discuss that again. And then it’s more afterwards. They can call to the clinic. They can send a message, and we’ll respond. So, I think when we have all this information, they know the whole layout, right?

It is just like – say, we are planning a vacation. We are going for – somewhere out of country, right? So, what we need to know. Where we are going information, flight details, hotel details, currency, everything. If you have that, then you are at ease. That I know the whole treatment plan. I know what’s going to happen when, expected timelines. I also know what are the potential side effects to the treatment. And, of course, what is the intent of the therapy, right? It may be a cure.

In DLBCL setting, 60 percent of patients will be cured. All of that information is a treatment plan, and that has to be very transparent and open with the patient so that they feel comfortable that what I’m going through, when things will happen, who are people in the care team that I can approach if I have any questions?

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Why Should DLBCL Patients Engage in Their Care?

Why Should DLBCL Patients Engage in Their Care? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

DLBCL expert Dr. Jane Winter explains the benefits of being an engaged and empowered patient and shares key questions for patients to ask their doctors.

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Laura Beth:

Dr. Winter, why do you think it’s important for patients to be empowered in their DLBCL care?  

Dr. Winter:

You know, a patient who is, I like the word “engaged” as well as “empowered.” I think it’s important for patients to be empowered or engaged because medicine is very complicated and very fragmented these days.  

Now, it’s so difficult to be a patient and to be sick and not be able to really take control. So, patients need to be empowered and they need partners, advocates. It’s a very sad comment on our healthcare system, but to be sure that things don’t slip through the cracks, we, the providers, the hematologist, our job is tough, but we need a patient to partner with us.  

So, for example, if you’re a patient with diffuse large B-cell lymphoma as your diagnosis, make sure to ask, “Was there a result for the FISH?” You need to make sure that doesn’t slip through the cracks. Or, if you are going for a second opinion or going to another medical center, make sure you have your records. I really wish that every patient who had a scan of one kind or another as they walked out the door got a copy of that scan, a disc. Now, that would make life so much simpler. But, make sure that you keep your own records. It’s hard and hopefully, every sick individual has a family member or a friend, someone who’s going to help them with this because this is very tough.  

But, ask questions. “Are there clinical trials I might be eligible for? Are there alternatives to the therapy you’re recommending?” These are all important questions to ask. Don’t be afraid to say, “With this treatment, what is the likelihood that my disease is going to come under control and be cured?” I think you need to know that. And, “Is there a difference between this treatment and that treatment?” Do we know? Oftentimes, we don’t have the answer for the newer treatments, but we’re hopeful.  

I just want to underscore the existence of a growing number of clinical trials that patients need to consider and think about. It’s hard at the time of the new diagnosis to be struck with not only the emotional impact of a new diagnosis and so on and not feel well and so on, but just ask the question. “Are there clinical trials I might consider?” So, that’s important, and also have optimism because the vast majority of patients, we do amazing, amazing things, and that’s why it’s so much fun to be a hematologist right now is that we have so many new and exciting treatments. And what’s more exciting than to make someone healthy again?  

So, these are exciting times. 

Treating Relapsed/Refractory DLBCL

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What are the options for DLBCL patients who relapse? Dr. Jane Winter shares treatment options for relapsed/refractory DLBCL and what is available for patients who have coexisting conditions or health concerns.

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Laura Beth:

Dr. Winter, if a DLBCL patient doesn’t respond to treatment or relapses, what happens next? Are there additional treatment options available?  

Dr. Winter:

Absolutely, but we have some very new treatments and some new data that’s just been within the last year. So, I had mentioned earlier with regard to follicular lymphoma this CAR T-cell therapy. So, CAR T-cell therapy is now approved for certain patients who relapse. So historically, in the past, patients who were young enough and robust, healthy enough to consider what we call an autologous stem cell transplant, so, high doses of chemotherapy with stem cell rescue was the standard of care for many years. But many patients would not be eligible for that kind of therapy, first, because they were too old or they had too many medical problems, what we call comorbidities.  

But also, because in order to have a good outcome with this kind of treatment, we need to first get the disease into remission, and that can prove challenging. So, for many years, though, what we call autologous stem cell transplant was the standard of care. But a disease that is most common in people in their mid-60s and above, this was not an option for many patients, but also, many patients just never became eligible because their disease was too difficult to control. And so, in recent times, over the past six years or more, a new therapy called CAR T-cell therapy has emerged.  

This harnesses the patient’s own T cells. The T cells are collected from the blood stream, and then they are genetically engineered so that they target the marker on the lymphoma cells. It takes about three weeks or so to go through the process of altering these cells and creating these CARs, and then re-infusing them back into the patient now targeting the patient’s lymphoma. And, this is a therapy that’s incredibly promising.  

It was approved a while ago for patients in the third line, meaning if your disease came back after your first treatment, let’s say, R-CHOP, and then you receive second line treatment, but that treatment didn’t really work, you were a candidate for CAR T-cell therapy. And about 35 to 40 percent of patients would do very well with that therapy. It’s not a hundred percent, but still, it was a very good option for individuals. Now, we have clinical trials comparing patients who relapse. So, at the time the first relapse, if that relapse occurs within a year or the patient progresses while on initial treatment, CAR T-cell therapy has been shown to be better than the old standard of care, which was the second line of treatment in the stem cell transplant.  

So, we now have this very promising new strategy for patients as well as for a subset of patients who are not eligible to go on to conventional autologous stem cell transplant because they’re too old or they’ve got a heart disease or some other comorbidity that makes them not a candidate for a standard stem cell transplant. So, this is very exciting and is approved for patients with relapsed disease, or refractory disease, or disease that progresses during initial treatment, or recurs within a year as well as this group of patients who are either too old or too sick to have an autologous stem cell transplant.  

But, there are many new iterations, new variations on this theme that are under investigation right now. So, there are lots of clinical trials to consider for a patient with relapsed disease or refractory disease because we have new versions of CAR T-cell therapy that are under investigation as well as a whole list of new agents, targeted agents and what we call bite antibodies and so on.  

So, things are very promising and there’s a tremendous amount of research going on right now, much of it translating into improved responses and survival for patients with diffuse large B-cell lymphoma. 

Understanding High-Risk DLBCL

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What is high-risk diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL) exactly? Dr. Jane Winter explains progression of the disease, DLBCL subgroups, and treatment approaches that may bring high-risk DLBCL under control.

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Transcript:

Laura Beth:

Dr. Winter, what is high-risk DLBCL?   

Dr. Winter:

There are certain aggressive lymphomas that are more high-grade. And in recent years, we’ve identified a subset that has genetic changes in certain genes that lead to a very aggressive type of lymphoma that grows rapidly and is more difficult to cure with standard therapy. And what’s most important about identifying that subset is that it requires that at least most of our evidence is that the standard strategy that I just spoke about briefly in terms of what we use for transformed follicular lymphoma, the standard therapy we use for diffuse large B-cell lymphoma called R-CHOP where the “R” is standing for rituximab. 

Again, that antibody that targets a particular marker on the lymphoma cells, CD20 immunotherapy plus chemotherapy, CHOP chemotherapy which has been around for probably 50 years, this very standard backbone of treatment for diffuse large B-cell lymphoma is not sufficient. We don’t have head-to-head randomized phase three trials showing definitely that the more aggressive strategy is so much better, but most of the evidence is that standard R-CHOP just doesn’t do as well in curing these highly aggressive, and what we call high grade or double hit lymphomas.  

These are lymphomas that have these genetic changes, rearrangements in particular genes MYC and BCL2, and I like to think of it as MYC takes the brakes off of growth. So, it’s sort of the rapidly growing disease, and the BCL2 prevents the cells from dying. So, between that, you have a rapidly growing lymphoma that doesn’t stop. And so, that’s a special subgroup of diffuse large B-cell lymphoma. There are some other subcategories.  

Primary mediastinal, which tends to be a type of aggressive lymphoma that presents generally as a big mediastinal mass in the middle of the chest, usually younger patients, more often women than men, but still many, many men as well. So, high-risk generally for me means that it has a double hit. There’s MYC, M-Y-C, and BCL2 genetic changes. There are some other types, but that’s basically what I think of in terms of high-risk. When we think of garden-variety diffuse large B-cell lymphomas, there are some ways of categorizing patients into four different subcategories in terms of “risk.”   

The first of these was what we call the international prognostic index that was developed in the 70s based on patients who were enrolled on clinical trials. In those days, the diagnoses were probably not exactly what they are today in terms of how we categorize patients, but that is a set of clinical features that there’s a little app online and you can calculate whether a patient is high-risk, intermediate, low, low-intermediate risk. In this system remains fairly helpful, predictive. But, we have refined it significantly in modern times. 

And I have to say, not to toot my own horn, but one of my fellows, Dr. Zhao and I, a number of years ago using a database from the National Comprehensive Cancer Network, and patients who all treated with modern therapy and were diagnosed with modern techniques, we used that data to develop a new, improved international prognostic index. And this helps us better discriminate the four different categories, and it places greater weight on patient age, which is an important predictor, as well as the particular blood test result, the LDH, which is an enzyme that’s helpful in aggressive lymphomas and diffuse large B-cell lymphoma.  

And, this particular, what we call the NCCN-IPI, you can just put your age and LDH level and so on into this app and you just find it online, NCCN–IPI, and it will put patients into four different subgroups. And this predict outcomes and survival over a five-year period for these patients. It’s not hard and fast, like anything else, within every category. So, if you look at every patient in the low-risk group by the NCCN–IPI, there still are a few patients who will fail therapy, but the majority of patients will do very well.  

And, if you happen to be someone who is 80 years old with a high LDH and you fall into the high-risk patient group, the outcomes are not going to be as good, but that doesn’t mean every patient in that category fails treatment. So, there’s still gonna be some good outcomes. So, it’s helpful. These are guides, and they do help to identify patients who are, what we call, high-risk or high intermediate risk. So, this is another way of looking at predicting outcome apart from looking at whether a patient is what we call a “double hit” lymphoma. So, the double hit, I just want to make one point is that when a pathologist makes a diagnosis of diffuse large B-cell lymphoma, it is absolutely critical that that biopsy, the pathology be sent for a procedure called FISH.  

That stands for fluorescent in situ hybridization, and it’s a technique the pathologist can use, or special labs will use, to pull out, to identify those patients who have this very high-risk subset of lymphoma called the double hit with both a MYC and a BCL2 rearrangement. Whether a MYC and a BCL6 rearrangement falls into this same risk group, we’re deemphasizing that and really, it’s the double MYC and BLC2 group that’s the highest risk.  

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Transcript:

Carol: 

Hi, I’m Carol. Several years ago, I was diagnosed with a blood cancer known as DLBCL, which is short for diffuse large b-cell lymphoma.  

This is Dr. Williams, my hematologist. A hematologist is a doctor who specializes in the care and treatment of people with blood cancer. 

Dr. Williams, can you tell us more about DLBCL? 

Dr. Williams: 

Sure. DLBCL is the most common form of non-Hodgkin lymphoma. It may be isolated to the lymph nodes, or it may occur OUTSIDE of the lymphatic system in areas like the thyroid, skin, breast, bone, testes, gastrointestinal tract, or even other organs in the body. 

Carol: 

After I was diagnosed, Dr. Williams informed me that I would need to start treatment immediately. 

Dr. Williams: 

That’s right, Carol. DLBCL is considered aggressive and fast-growing, so treatment usually starts right away to control the disease and any symptoms it causes. 

Carol: 

When deciding on a therapy, my husband and I discussed the goals of treatment with Dr. Williams – we talked about the potential outcome for each approach and how options may impact my lifestyle. 

Dr. Williams, 

Exactly—we wanted to make sure that Carol could continue to live her life to the fullest while using the most effective approach to treat her disease.  

We also considered Carol’s: 

  • Age and overall health. 
  • The location and stage of her DLBCL at the time of treatment. 
  • Her lab test results, including molecular testing results. 
  • And the potential side effects of each option. 

Then we discussed Carol’s options if she didn’t respond to initial therapy or if she experienced a relapse.  

Carol:  

Along with Dr. Williams and the other members of my healthcare team, my husband Tony was another partner in my care. He helped me research DLBCL so I could understand more about my disease, which made me feel confident in discussions with my team.  

We also made list of questions together before my appointments so I wouldn’t forget anything, and Tony took notes during my visits.  His notes were helpful to us when talking about the appointment later and reviewing what our next steps may be. 

Dr. Williams: 

That’s great advice, Carol. It’s so important that patients feel empowered to ask questions and speak up. If you don’t feel comfortable with your providers or your treatment plan—or if you just want confirmation that you have explored all your options–consider seeking a second opinion or a consultation with a DLBCL specialist. 

Elena: 

Yes—and Dr. Williams always made me feel like a partner in my care– making conversations and decisions much easier for me. 

Dr. Williams: 

Exactly–the patient should always be at the center of care.  

Now, what steps can YOU take to be more engaged? 

  • Start by educating yourself about DLBCL. Ask your team for recommendations for credible sources of information. 
  • Then, consider a second opinion or a consult with a DLBCL specialist immediately following your diagnosis. 
  • Make a list of questions prior to your appointments and bring a friend or family member along to visits, if you can. They can help you absorb the information and take notes. 
  • Understand and articulate the goals of your DLBCL treatment plan and ask if a clinical trial may be right for you. 
  • Learn about your options and discuss the pros and cons of each approach with your doctor. 
  • Finally, speak up and share your questions and concerns. YOU are your own best advocate. 

Carol: 

That’s great advice, Dr. Williams. To learn more about DLBCL, visit powerfulpatients.org/DLBCL. 

Dr. Williams: 

Thanks for joining us! 

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DLBCL treatment can lower a patient’s immunity. Dr. Kami Maddocks explains current options to help patients protect themselves from COVID and other viruses.

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Katherine:

Do you recommend that patients continue getting vaccines? For COVID, for flu?  

Dr. Maddocks:

Yes. So, particularly, when you look at lymphomas, this is a cancer of the immune system. The cancer can make your immune system compromise the treatment. While you’re getting treated makes your immune system compromised. And even for a period after treatment, your immune system can be compromised. So, it’s important to protect yourselves against infection. Sometimes the efficacy of vaccines in the middle of treatment might not be as good as not being on treatment.  

But that said, there’s no data that the vaccines are harmful. You do have to be careful about live vaccines when you’re under treatment, and you should ask your doctor about not the typical vaccines, of course. But I think that it’s very important to take every step that patients can, to try to prevent themselves from battling something in addition to them already undergoing treatments, their body’s already going through a lot.  

And so, anything that we can do or they can do to help prevent them from dealing with more than they already are, I think is important.  

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Katherine:

It’s not always easy for patients to speak up. So, I’d like to debunk some common misconceptions that patients have, that may be holding them back. First one is, “I’m bothering my doctor with all my questions.” Is that true?  

Dr. Maddocks:

That is not true at all. So, the best thing is an informed patient. So, I want to answer all their questions. “What is the disease or diagnosis?” “What are the treatment options?” “What do we know now?” “What are we learning?” I need to know what’s going on. I always tell my patients that I can’t help them with what I don’t know. So, if somebody shows up, they get once cycle of treatment and they show up for a second cycle and they’ve had all these problems and never called or notified me, first of all, we weren’t able to help them. There’s a lot of things we can do to help them and if we don’t know what’s going on, we can’t help.  

And second, that might impact that second treatment, whereas knowing and knowing that sooner, we can plan to make changes.  

Katherine:

Yeah. That’s really good advice. Here’s another one. “My doctor’s feelings will get hurt if I get a second opinion.”  

Dr. Maddocks:

Not at all. So, I always encourage patients that they should get a second opinion, third opinion, whatever they need. Number one, I think it’s important that a patient feels comfortable with their diagnosis and their treatment plan, because I really think that things go better if they understand that and they’re comfortable. If they’re always doubting what’s going on, it’s really hard to develop that trusting relationship. And I think it’s very important that a patient has a trusting relationship with their care team.  

I think most of the time, when you get a second opinion, you’re probably going to hear or get the same advice. And so, that helps a patient to feel comfortable. Sometimes, there may be clinical trials out there that your doctor didn’t know about, that are options, and a doctor’s always going to be happy if there’s something out there available, that might make the patient outcome better, that they didn’t know about.   

And lastly, I would say there are a lot of doctors who treat all types of cancer, and there are some doctors that specialize in certain types of cancer. And so, if you were seeing a doctor who treats multiple different kinds, but want to see a doctor who specializes in a particular kind, they may be aware of a recent trial or a recent development that your doctor doesn’t know. Not because there’s anything wrong with that doctor, it’s just that there is so much data to keep up with these days, in cancer, that a specialist might be able to provide a point of view that somebody else doesn’t know.  

Katherine:

Yeah. Another question or comment is, “There isn’t anything that could be done about my symptoms or treatment side effects. So, why should I even say anything?”  

Dr. Maddocks:

Yeah. That’s a great question but the thing is, a lot of times there are things. So, the one thing is, some of the treatments we use for some of our cancers, including lymphoma, have been around for a really long time. But some of the things that have changed, are our supportive care or our ability to treat patient side effects. So, I think that it’s always important that patients let us know if they’re having side effects because maybe nausea – so, we give medication to prevent that.  

Usually, I send patients home with two different types of nausea medication. But if that’s not helping, I have more than two in my toolbox, I just don’t know to prescribe them if the typical things aren’t helping. So, a lot of times, there are things that we can do. Sometimes you have to tweak the dosing of the chemo, but really, the only way you can help with symptom management is if you know somebody’s having symptoms.  

Katherine:

Right. So, when somebody starts to have side effects from the treatment, should they contact their care team right away?  

Dr. Maddocks:

Yes. They should contact their care team right away. There are certain side effects, like having a fever during chemo, where they really need to go to the emergency room to be evaluated, to make sure it’s nothing. Because an infection can be very serious when you’re getting chemotherapy. Other side effects that are less emergent but, yes. Most of the time there’s a patient number that patients can call, where they can seek, like a nurse help line, where they can seek assistance, and that call can be escalated depending on the symptoms and what needs to be helped.  

But I think, again, it’s important that we know what’s going on so we can help patients. And then, if something needs to be further investigated – because occasionally there will be something that’ll make us think, “Oh, we really need to evaluate this patient because what if it’s more than what it seems?”   

Katherine:

Right. Are there any other misconceptions that you hear about from patients?  

Dr. Maddocks:

I think, just in general, thinking about the patient taking care of themselves. So, a lot of times there can be resources that patients have questions on. Things like exercise. Things like nutrition. Things in the environment that they can be exposed to. Just different things. I think it’s always important that you ask your care team if there’s any question, because they’re going to best be able to tell you versus just assuming something.  

There’s a lot of good information that patients can get from educational sites. There’s a lot of good information on the internet but there’s also a lot of bad information, or inaccurate information on the internet. So, I think it’s great for patients to use resources and educate themselves but I think that it’s always good to confirm with your care team. Myths versus facts.