Extensive Stage Small Cell Lung Cancer | Empowering Symptom Management

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How can extensive stage small cell lung cancer patients be empowered for symptom management? Expert Beth Sandy from Abramson Cancer Center discusses how she empowers patients and care partners, common treatment side effects, and advice for patients preparing for treatment.

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“…make sure before you leave the office or on the day you’re coming for chemotherapy that you have all your questions answered, that you feel pretty confident in what side effects you may experience. I am a proponent of writing down your questions.”

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Lisa Hatfield:

Beth, extensive stage small cell lung cancer and its associated treatments often come with challenging symptoms. How do you prioritize the patient education to empower both your patients and their care partners in recognizing and managing these symptoms at home?

Beth Sandy:

Yeah. So the treatments that we have are predominantly chemotherapy. We also can use immunotherapy, and these have a whole host of different side effects. Some patients may be dealing with just symptoms of the disease like shortness of breath or cough, but then when you add in the chemotherapy, it’s going to add a whole host of other side effects. I think there are a few important things to note here. Number one, know the names of the drugs that you’re getting, and at my institution, we will print them out for you with an  education sheet. So we like to give printed materials, because it’s hard to remember everything we say and not everybody’s going to sit there and take notes and write it down, so we give printed materials. I think that’s important. And then understanding the schedule.

So typically the first-line treatment that we use for this is three days in a row. It’s given once every three weeks. So you’re not just coming in one day. You actually have to come in three days in a row, and most cancer centers aren’t open on the weekend, so you would often have to be preparing to start this regimen either on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday.

So just think about that. We rarely start these regimens on a Thursday or Friday, because we want that consecutive three days in a row. There are scheduling issues that come into play here. And then the side effects, so we can predict really well what the side effects actually are going to be. I often can’t predict a lot of things with cancer, but side effects of chemotherapy are fairly predictable, and truthfully, most patients are going to lose their hair with this treatment. It grows back. So don’t worry. It grows back, but in the beginning, hair loss is something that may happen, so we need to tell patients that. No one wants to be at home, and all of a sudden all your hair falls out and you didn’t know that.

And then there’s chemotherapy side effects, things like lowering of blood counts, nausea. What I do want to say as I’ve been doing this for 20 years, our supportive care medications for preventing and treating nausea are so much better now. So it’s nothing like it was 20 years ago, and 30 years ago. When I started as a nurse, we didn’t have good medications then. We’ve really good medications now. So nausea tends to not be as big of an issue as what you may have experienced with a family member in the past, so that usually we can prevent pretty well.

But talking about the lowering of blood count is a big issue that it can put you at risk for infection, you may need blood transfusions. These are things that you have to talk about. So just make sure you have a pretty good understanding of that. The other thing we can predict is fatigue. So most patients are going to get fatigue, and usually it will be in the first week of treatment, but it won’t last the entire three weeks between the treatments.

So my activation tip here for this would be to make sure before you leave the office or on the day you’re coming for chemotherapy that you have all your questions answered, that you feel pretty confident in what side effects you may experience. I am a proponent of writing down your questions and bringing them in and I like when patients do that because then I can answer them, because otherwise I feel sometimes like did I answer everything? Do I forget anything that’s important to you? What may be important to you may not be as important to another patient? So write down your questions and make sure you have all of them answered before you leave especially when it comes to chemotherapy side effects.

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Coping With Small Cell Lung Cancer Rapid Treatment

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Small cell lung cancer treatment often must start quickly following diagnosis, so what should patients know? Expert Beth Sandy from Abramson Cancer Center explains the importance of rapid treatment and shares advice to help ensure optimal patient care.

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“…if you are short of breath or coughing, get to the doctor…If it’s more than a week and over-the-counter medications aren’t helping, go and get worked up because this is very much a curable illness if we can catch it early. So we want to catch this as early as we can, but you have to get to the doctor and get that workup going…if you are diagnosed with this, make sure that your doctor or when you’re calling in to get a new patient appointment, they know this is small cell, not non-small cell. This is small cell lung cancer. It’s a more aggressive type, and you should be seen immediately very quickly to get started on therapy.”

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Lisa Hatfield:

So, Beth, small cell lung cancer spreads quickly, so treatment often needs to start right away. How do you help your patients and their loved ones cope with the rapid changes in their health, both physically and emotionally, and the quick start of the intense treatment they’ll receive?

Beth Sandy:

I can’t stress this enough. As soon as someone is developing symptoms of shortness of breath or a cough, it’s really important to get to the doctor because this type of lung cancer can spread very quickly, but you may not even know you have this. So if you have a cough or shortness of breath, it’s important to get to the doctor. Getting a chest X-ray is really easy. It’s cheap, it’s easy, it’s fast, and it’s something that will show this. Almost nine times out of 10 is going to show if you have this type of lung cancer on just the chest X-ray. So it’s important to get your workup very quickly. That’s the first thing I’ll say.

Once you’re diagnosed with extensive stage small cell lung cancer, it’s very important that you are treated quickly. In my office, if you call and you have this diagnosis, we see you within seven days. This is not something…whereas other cancers, if there’s longer than a seven-day wait, they may get pushed the following week. This is a patient that we will see within the week, because it’s important to get them treated right away. A part of that is because they respond so well. Treatments for small cell lung cancer work very well, especially early on, so we need to get those treatments going very quickly because like you said, this is a very rapidly progressing disease. So I think my activation tip really here for this question is…

Well, two, I have two activations, but the first one is if you are short of breath or coughing, get to the doctor. Don’t just say, “Oh, it’s probably my allergies.” If it’s more than a week and over-the-counter medications aren’t helping, go and get worked up because this is very much a curable illness if we can catch it early. So we want to catch this as early as we can, but you have to get to the doctor and get that workup going. My second activation tip is, like I said, for sure if you are diagnosed with this, make sure that your doctor or when you’re calling in to get a new patient appointment, they know this is small cell, not non-small cell. This is small cell lung cancer. It’s a more aggressive type, and you should be seen immediately very quickly to get started on therapy.

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How Can Extensive Stage Small Cell Lung Cancer Symptoms Be Managed?

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When extensive stage small cell lung cancer patients experience symptoms, how can they be managed? Expert Beth Sandy from Abramson Cancer Center discusses collaborative symptom management for ES-SCLC patients for common symptoms including respiratory issues, appetite and digestion, and neurologic symptoms.

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Lisa Hatfield:

Beth, how do you approach collaborative symptom management for newly diagnosed patients with extensive stage small cell lung cancer?

Beth Sandy:

So when you’re newly diagnosed, it really depends. A lot of our patients will end up having symptoms such as shortness of breath or a cough or even coughing up of blood just because the natural biology of small cell lung cancer tends to be a very centralized cancer, the airways. So symptoms typically are respiratory, and we have a lot of really good treatments to help with things like shortness of breath and cough. To be honest with you, this type of lung cancer is so responsive to chemotherapy that sometimes the chemotherapy alone will help your symptoms because it responds so quickly.

If that’s not the case, we can do radiation also to help minimize the cancer where it may be causing shortness of breath, or certainly if you’re coughing up blood, a lot of times we’re going to go in and do something like radiation. There are other things that we can prescribe such as inhalers or medications that are prescriptions that can help with cough like certain syrups and other pills that can help reduce cough. Those typically are often the main respiratory symptoms. Other things that we may find are things like weight loss and decreased appetite. That can be harder, I will say.

There used to be medications that we used for appetite stimulation. The problem with some of those medications is they were increasing the risk of blood clot, which is already a risk when you have lung cancer, so we don’t have to use them as often. But there are some medications that we can work with, and we work with oncology nutrition a lot as well to help patients, especially when weight loss is an issue. There’s a whole other set of side effects the patient’s going to have once they start treatment, but they usually don’t typically present with things like nausea or vomiting, or constipation or diarrhea. Those things can be side effects of treatment.

Another thing that can be common in extensive stage small cell lung cancer is metastasis to the brain. So sometimes patients will have headaches or neurologic changes, but the good thing is that’s very responsive to steroids and radiation, so the sooner we get people on treatment, really those symptoms tend to improve very quickly. The activation tip for this really would be to make sure you let the nurses and doctors know exactly what sometimes you’re experiencing, because we really do have a lot of good supportive care medications, and truthfully the treatment for the cancer should really help improve your symptoms pretty quickly with this disease.

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Key Resources for Small Cell Lung Cancer Patients and Families

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What’s important for small cell lung cancer patients from underrepresented communities to know? Dr. Rafael Santana-Davila with the University of Washington School of Medicine shares advice for patient resources, his perspective about lung cancer stigma, and ways to mitigate issues with stigma.

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“…make sure that you ask your doctor, ‘Well, what about palliative care? What about social worker?’ or ‘I’m having trouble with this or that. Who can help me with this?’”

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Lisa Hatfield:

What key resources and support services do you typically recommend or provide to SCLC patients, particularly from underrepresented communities following their diagnosis?

Rafael Santana-Davila:

That is a good question that I don’t know the right answer to. So part of the resources that we share with the patient is a visit with a social worker, a visit with a nutritionist, a visit with our colleagues in palliative care, that they’re all part of treatment of the patient with cancer that is available both for patients of underrepresented communities or other patients.

So that is the activation tip for that is make sure that you ask your doctor, “Well, what about palliative care? What about social worker?” or “I’m having trouble with this or that. Who can help me with this?” And like we said before is a patient empowerment is…a patient that is empowered is a patient that asks all those questions and receives more help. There’s a lot of help that is out there and the key is to connect those individuals.

Lisa Hatfield:

What is your advice for a patient living with small cell lung cancer in rural areas who might not have access to state-of-the-art cancer care?

Rafael Santana-Davila:

Yes. So first of all, although people living in rural areas do not have access to major cancer centers…or let me rephrase that. They do not live in major cancer centers. Thanks to technology, they do have access. How? With telehealth. A lot of things that I do, which is medications, they don’t really have to see me for treatment. I can give advice on the treatment that can be instituted anywhere. So patients that live, again, in Eastern Washington, which is a rural part of the state, can see me through telehealth, and I can help them and their physicians who are not sub-specialists to direct their care.

And again, it’s important to know that it’s not that we’re smarter than the general community oncologists. We’re not. We just have more experience in this disease. We’ve seen a lot of things that happen, so we are able to recognize things when they happen and just have access to more clinical trials. So the activation tip for that question is make sure that…we said that before, that you seek a second opinion.

And that may not involve travel for many hours. That may be as simple as a telehealth appointment with a major cancer center of such state to know what is available. And also know that many clinical trials can now actually pay for lodging and pay for transportation to those centers. So although it’s going to be trickier for them to receive them, living in a rural area does not mean that you’re not eligible for that.

Lisa Hatfield:

Have you encountered any misconceptions or stigmas related to small cell lung cancer within underrepresented communities? And how do you address or mitigate these issues with your patients?

Rafael Santana-Davila: 

There is a lot of stigma in this disease. We know that in the great majority of patients with small cell lung cancer and lung cancer in general, there is a smoking component to it. So patients feel that this is something that they brought upon themselves sometimes and there’s a lot of stigma associated with it. And that is not true. Yes, this is a smoking-related condition, but smoking is an addiction. Patients do not smoke because they want to. They smoke because they get addicted to it.

Everybody that I’ve met who’s a smoker at some point has wanted to quit and they cannot quit, not because they don’t have the willpower, or not because they’re weak, it’s because they can’t. This is an addiction. And it’s actually cancer, both small cell and lung cancer happens in the minority of smokers. So it’s important to know that this is…yes, quitting smoking could have prevented this cancer, but quitting smoking is nothing that is easy. And even if they quit smoking, this could have come.

So it’s important to patients to know that this is not…they should not blame themselves. This is both for underrepresented minorities and the patients at large. Don’t blame yourself for this. This is nothing that you could have prevented. And this is not your fault that this happened to you.” The activation tip for this is there’s a lot of what patients need to talk about, a lot of things, and these are hard conversations that you need to have. They’re not comfortable many times, but you need to open up. You need to have these conversations with your family, and you need to really say what’s in your heart. So that would be my activation tip. 

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How Small Cell Lung Cancer Patients Can Best Self-Advocate

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How can small cell lung cancer (SCLC) patients advocate for optimal care? Dr. Rafael Santana-Davila with the University of Washington School of Medicine shares advice for questions to ask your doctor and about the benefits of telehealth and clinical trials.

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“…make sure that you ask several questions to your doctor is, “Can I have access to a second opinion to a sub-specialist in lung cancer? Or have you thought about my case? And is there any availability of clinical trials here or in other centers?”

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Lisa Hatfield:

So one of your areas of research is studying how small cell lung cancer patients in the general population, those who don’t have access to cancer centers, are treated in order to figure out how to best bring the most recent advances in care to these individuals. Can you share with us some recent findings or learnings from your research, and how can these patients maybe best advocate for themselves?

Rafael Santana-Davila:

Medicine is a team sport. And this is also especially true for cancer. And the difference that…when I see patients, I tell them that it’s not that I’m smarter than the community oncologist. I’m not. The difference that I have with community oncologists is that I’m a sub-specialist. So who I treat are patients who have cancers of the chest or the head and neck. That means that I dedicated my career to treating those patients. And if you ask me questions about lung cancer or head and neck cancers, we can talk forever. But I’m no longer a specialist in treating all other cancers. Community oncologists don’t have that luxury.

So I do think that it’s very important for patients to get a second opinion, to have access to a major cancer center so that they can be sure that the plan of treatment is something that is the top of the line, the best treatment that is available. And they also ask about clinical trials, because there’s clinical trials out there that are moving the needle forward, and participation of those clinical trials is something that is very important. So having an opinion by somebody that, again, treats only lung cancers is very important. Now, the only thing good that COVID had was that it led to telehealth.

So nowadays I can see patients…I work in Seattle, so I can see patients that live across the state and in the farmland where they don’t have access to an academic medical center also to a sub-specialty, but I can see them through telehealth and I can…in the majority of cases, I say, “Yes, your doctor at home has a good plan. Let’s treat you with that.” Or I give some tips or tricks to the community oncologists, or I offer the latest and greatest in clinical trials and patients can make that decision at that point.

So the activation tip for this is make sure that you ask several questions to your doctor is, “Can I have access to a second opinion to a sub-specialist in lung cancer? Or have you thought about my case? And is there any availability of clinical trials here or in other centers?” That’s what I would tell patients. And patients need to be the best advocates for themselves and they are. They know that they’re going through a very rough time, but they just need to say, “What else can I do for this?”

Lisa Hatfield:

Great, thank you so much for that. And as a cancer patient myself and a patient advocate, I fiercely advocate for patients to always, if you get a cancer diagnosis, if you can, consult with somebody who is a specialist or a sub-specialist in the type of cancer you have. It can make a difference for you.

Rafael Santana-Davila:

I agree. And, again, with the era of telehealth, that has opened the ability for this.

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