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How to Create a Cancer Survivorship Care Plan

 

What is a cancer survivorship care plan? This animated explainer video provides an overview of the key components of a survivorship care plan, advice for collaborating with your healthcare team when preparing for life beyond cancer, and the overall benefits of planning for survivorship.

 

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Whether you’ve just finished treatment or are years out from your diagnosis, a Cancer Survivorship Care Plan can help you, your loved ones, and your healthcare team manage your overall health. 

So, what exactly is a Survivorship Care Plan? This plan is your roadmap for the next phase of your cancer journey. It includes information about your diagnosis, prior treatments, follow-up care, and it helps you and your healthcare team monitor your long-term health. 

So, what should your Survivorship Care Plan include? Here are the key components: 

  • It starts with a treatment summary, which lists the types of therapy you received, the dates of treatment, and any complications that arose. This information allows your future healthcare providers to better understand your medical history. 
  • The plan also includes a follow-up care schedule that details regular check-ups, screenings, and tests. These appointments monitor for cancer recurrence and ensure any side effects are managed effectively. 
  • Potential long-term side effects of your treatment are also noted in a survivorship care plan. Having this information can allow you to be more aware, so you can communicate any physical changes with your team.  
  • Tips and guidelines for maintaining a healthy lifestyle are also added to the plan and may include advice on diet, exercise, and mental health support, which can all support your quality of life as a survivor. 
  • Another key component is contact information for your healthcare providers, including your oncologist, primary care physician, and any specialists you see regularly. This makes it easy to reach out when you need assistance or have questions. 

Creating a Survivorship Care Plan is a collaborative effort. Schedule a meeting with your oncologist and primary care physician to develop your plan. Here are some questions to guide your discussion: 

  • What specific follow-up tests do I need? 
  • How often should I see my healthcare team? 
  • What symptoms should I watch for that might indicate a recurrence or new cancer? 
  • What steps can I take to manage any long-term side effects? 
  • Are there specific lifestyle changes I should make to improve my health? 

Once your plan is in place, it’s time to take action. Follow your healthcare team’s recommendations and attend all appointments. So, what other steps can you take to stay proactive in your survivorship? 

  • Regularly update your plan and review it with your doctor or care team. 
  • Set health goals with your healthcare team and plan for potential challenges. 
  • You should also seek counseling to address your emotional and mental health when necessary. Keeping a journal may be helpful too. 
  • And, seek out support and resources from advocacy organizations like the Patient Empowerment Network and Cancer Support Community. 
  • It’s also a good idea to consider financial and legal aspects: Understand insurance, explore financial aid, and prepare legal documents as appropriate. 
  • Maintain a healthy diet, engage in regular physical activity and incorporate enjoyable exercises into your daily routine. 
  • Take good care of yourself – Lean on friends, family, and support groups for emotional and practical support. 

Remember, you are not alone on this journey. By creating and following a Survivorship Care Plan, you’re taking an important step toward living well after cancer. To learn more about cancer survivorship and access support resources, visit powerfulpatients.org.  

Optimizing Ovarian Cancer Care: Genetic Testing and Treatment Approaches

What’s vital for ovarian cancer patients to know about treatment options and approaches? Expert Dr. Ramez Eskander from UC San Diego Health discusses chemotherapy, surgery, the importance of molecular testing, treatment approaches for optimal outcomes, and proactive patient advice. 

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“…ask the questions of your provider. Understand, did you have genetic testing? Did you have molecular tumor testing? And do the results of that genetic or molecular tumor testing impact the treatment recommendations for maintenance therapy? I want to make sure everybody feels empowered to ask those questions and have those answers.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Eskander, for someone who is newly diagnosed with ovarian cancer, what are the most common treatment options available, and how can patients know which treatment plan is best suited for their specific situation?

Dr. Ramez Eskander:

Newly diagnosed ovarian cancer is managed utilizing chemotherapy and surgery. The order can vary depending on the specific patient, how they present, their cancer burden, whether you receive chemotherapy, surgery, followed by chemotherapy, or surgery and chemotherapy. The drugs, the backbone of treatment, are very similar, that is, two chemotherapy drugs called carboplatin (Paraplatin) and paclitaxel (Taxol). I will say that there are other drugs used in the front line. Another drug that’s commonly used is a drug called bevacizumab or Avastin. This is called an anti-angiogenic drug.

And we’ve also identified biomarkers that have really transformed front-line management. Any and every newly diagnosed ovarian cancer patient should have genetic testing because about 15 percent of ovarian cancers can have a genetic predisposition, meaning that you’ve inherited a gene that increased your risk of developing the cancer. And that’s critically important for the treatment of that patient, but also for any family members who would benefit from what we call cascade genetic testing, they would get tested. And if they were identified to have the gene, they could be followed and have risk-reducing surgery.

The reason this molecular testing of ovarian cancer and again, every patient should have genetic testing and molecular testing is critically important is it is informing maintenance treatment strategies. We’ve now conducted several clinical trials that show the utilization of a class of drug called PARP inhibitors. These are oral pills. When we use these medications in patients who have a BRCA mutation, there is a dramatic improvement in clinical outcome.

So every advanced stage ovarian cancer patient should be tested. And for those who have a BRCA mutation, every one of those patients should be treated with a maintenance PARP inhibitor. And maintenance meaning after you finish the chemotherapy drugs that I mentioned, you go on to that maintenance PARP inhibitor. And we’ve also had clinical trials that have expanded that opportunity, because not only are we looking at patients that have a BRCA mutation, but we’ve now expanded and incorporate into patients who are homologous recombination-deficient, or HRD test-positive.

Because studies have shown that when you give the PARP inhibitors in combination with bevacizumab, the drug that I alluded to a moment ago, you can again get a very significant improvement in clinical outcome including an improvement in overall survival. So biomarker testing, genetic testing, chemotherapy plus surgery is a backbone but importantly utilizing that molecular testing to inform maintenance treatment strategies which have clearly improved clinical outcomes, and these are all very critical conversations to have with the physician who’s taking care of you.

And for me, my [ACT]IVATION tip here is ask the questions of your provider. Understand, did you have genetic testing? Did you have molecular tumor testing? And do the results of that genetic or molecular tumor testing impact the treatment recommendations for maintenance therapy? I want to make sure everybody feels empowered to ask those questions and have those answers.

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Are There Lung Cancer Clinical Trials Studying Veterans?

Are There Lung Cancer Clinical Trials Studying Veterans? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Are veterans with lung cancer under study in clinical trials? Expert Dr. Michael Kelley from Duke University School of Medicine discusses benefits of clinical trials, an early stage non-small cell lung cancer clinical trial, and proactive patient advice about clinical trial access.

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“…if you have a diagnosis of cancer you’re facing and you’re getting your care from the VA, please ask your provider if there’s a clinical trial that might be appropriate for you. That might be at the VA, or that might be somewhere else and both of those would be appropriate to consider to understand what the advantages and disadvantages would be for you, including being able to improve the knowledge that would help future people who also face the same diagnosis.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatifeld:

Dr. Kelley, can you speak to ongoing clinical trials and research specifically for veterans, or are there any clinical trials or research studies that are available that focus on lung cancer treatments specifically tailored to veterans?

Dr. Michael Kelley:

Yes. So we’re very interested in ensuring that veterans have access to all components of clinical care. And for many individuals who have a diagnosis of cancer and enrollment in a clinical trial is considered appropriate and part of standard clinical care to consider. So there are some studies which are designed by VA for veterans. There’s one ongoing now that is comparing surgery with radiation for early stage non-small cell lung cancer. That study is going to, I think, inform the entire country and maybe the entire world about what the differences are in terms of the outcomes and tolerability of those two treatments.

They’ve both been around quite some time now, and they’re used extensively throughout the world, but they’ve never been compared directly. So the veteran population is helping to answer a very important question, and it is designed specifically for veterans. The population of veterans who have cancer, in particular lung cancer, who are enrolled in VA, tend to have more other diseases in addition to the lung cancer, so more diabetes, hypertension, heart disease.

And when initial drugs or other treatments get approved, they’re oftentimes used in a very select population that don’t have any other diseases. They’re healthy people with cancer, and that means that we don’t know necessarily whether it’s safe or effective to use those treatments in people that have what are called comorbidities or other diseases.

And so veterans can oftentimes not have their treatment informed by the medical studies that have been completed to an exacting degree. So what we’ve done is to design some studies that are specifically for veterans to expand on that knowledge and make sure that we understand what is safe and effective in veterans. So my activation tip is that, if you have a diagnosis of cancer that you’re facing and you’re getting your care from the VA, please ask your provider if there’s a clinical trial that might be appropriate for you.

That might be at the VA, or that might be somewhere else and both of those would be appropriate to consider to understand what the advantages and disadvantages would be for you, including being able to improve the knowledge that would help future people who also face the same diagnosis.


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Empowered Care: A Patient’s Guide to Navigating Endometrial Cancer

Empowered Care: A Patient’s Guide to Navigating Endometrial Cancer from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Meet Sharon, a 61-year-old endometrial cancer survivor who knows firsthand the importance of being an active participant in her healthcare. After a two-year struggle with misdiagnosed symptoms and a dismissive doctor, she took charge and found the right medical support, leading to a diagnosis of endometrial cancer.

Sharon’s journey, from diagnosis to treatment and recovery, highlights the vital role of self-advocacy and patient activation. Her story is a beacon for others, especially women of color facing similar challenges, emphasizing the power of being informed, asking questions, and seeking support.

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Being activated is a critical part of endometrial cancer care, especially for patients like me. 

My name is Sharon, I’m 61, and my diagnosis came after a two-year struggle with unidentified symptoms. Sharing my experience is my way of reaching out, hoping it might provide guidance to others facing similar challenges.

My symptoms began with abnormal vaginal bleeding, but my periods had ended over 10 years ago. That had me worried, and my sister encouraged me to see a doctor after I told her about the bleeding. I scheduled an appointment, but my doctor dismissed my symptoms. I felt like he wasn’t really listening to me and decided to find a doctor who looks more like me and would be more likely to listen to me. I found a Black female doctor who was concerned about my symptoms, which had worsened by then. I was also feeling pelvic pain. My new doctor scheduled an endometrial biopsy, and I was diagnosed with papillary serous carcinoma shortly afterward.

With an aggressive type of cancer, my oncologist scheduled a laparoscopic hysterectomy to remove my uterus along with my ovaries, fallopian tubes, and sentinel lymph nodes. I had the surgery within a few days, which was quickly followed by radiation to help ensure any remaining cancer cells were wiped out. My recovery went smoothly, and I continue to live a full life while getting regular scans to ensure I remain cancer-free.

After my cancer experience, I want to educate other women about what I’ve learned about endometrial cancer. Black women have nearly twice the death rate from endometrial cancer compared to white women. Hispanic, Black, and Asian women are not represented in clinical trials at equal rates to white women. And Black women are also diagnosed more frequently with rare but aggressive endometrial cancer forms. Remember that you shouldn’t have to suffer with your pain, and you can advocate for yourself and ask about patient advocates to advocate on your behalf.

Here are my activation tips for patients facing an endometrial cancer diagnosis:

  1. Ask your care team questions to learn about the status of your endometrial cancer, treatment options, and what to expect during and after treatment.
  2. Join a patient support group to offer and receive emotional support.
  3. Last but not least, inquire if a clinical trial may be a potential treatment option for your endometrial cancer.

Remember, stay activated by being informed, empowered, and engaged in your cancer care.


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Cancer Survivorship | An Expert and a Survivor Share Inspiration and Advice

Cancer Survivorship | An Expert and a Survivor Share Inspiration and Advice from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

How is survivorship defined, and what can one expect after cancer treatment is complete? Dr. Kathleen Ashton, a clinical health psychologist, shares key advice about what to expect in follow-up care and the importance of planning for the future. Dr. Ashton is joined by Erica Watson, a breast cancer survivor, who provides her personal perspective on navigating life with cancer, discusses the impact of peer support, and shares why she’s passionate about patient advocacy.
 
Dr. Kathleen Ashton is a board-certified clinical health psychologist in the Breast Center, Digestive Disease and Surgery Institute at Cleveland Clinic. Learn more about Dr. Ashton.
 
Erica Watson is a breast cancer survivor and patient advocate.
 

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Welcome and thank you for joining us. With us today is Dr. Kathleen Ashton. Dr. Ashton, welcome. Would you please introduce yourself?  

Dr. Ashton:

I’m Kathleen Ashton. I’m a board-certified clinical health psychologist, and I specialize in working with patients with breast cancer and those with hereditary risk for breast cancer.   

Katherine Banwell:

Erica, would you introduce yourself?  

Erica Watson:

Sure. I am Erica Watson, wife, mother, grandmother, neighbor, friend, employee, sister, aunt, all those in addition to a, I’m going to say six-month breast cancer survivor.  

Katherine Banwell:

Congratulations. 

Erica Watson:

So, thank you.  

Katherine Banwell:

Well, welcome to both of you. We really appreciate you taking the time to join us. Erica, I’d like to start with you. When were you diagnosed with breast cancer?  

Erica Watson:

So, I got the official I have cancer, or you have cancer call on the 28th of February 2023. So, a little over a year ago.  

Katherine Banwell:

And how did you work with your team to decide on a treatment plan once you were diagnosed?  

Erica Watson:

Initially I went into my first appointment just automatically knowing that I was going to have a double mastectomy, because I just could not imagine having to go through any part of this process ever again. But then I settled, I listened to my medical team, we settled on doing chemotherapy first and then I made the decision on what type of surgery to have about a month-and-a-half to two months later.  

They allowed me to make the decision. And so, I didn’t feel any pressure or anything like that from them. So, it was really me listening to my medical team.  

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. And how are you feeling today?  

Erica Watson:

I’m good. I had my three-month appointment with my oncologist yesterday. I got a gold star on my blood work, it’s looking great. I’m good, I’m good.  

Katherine Banwell:

That’s such great news.  

Erica Watson:

Thank you. 

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Ashton, I’d like to start with a definition. If you would tell us what the difference is and the importance of survivor versus survivorship?  

Erica Watson:

Sure. So, people define being a breast cancer survivor at different points along the way, and even different oncologists really think about it, dating it from different times. So, some people date it from when they were diagnosed. Other people will date survivorship from after they had their surgery or after they completed chemotherapy.  

So, everyone looks at it a little bit differently. But survivorship is really more of that process throughout someone’s life after breast cancer; taking care of surveillance, working with their doctors, ongoing lifestyle changes that they may be undergoing after breast cancer.  

Katherine Banwell:

And, Erica, what does survivorship mean to you?  

Erica Watson:

I am just living with a purpose now, I guess. I have not defined where my survivorship term starts or ends or starts actually. So, I’m intentional about laughing more and doing things that bring me joy and sharing my story.  

I try not to pay attention to the small things in life that used to get me all stressed out. I talk to my medical team, I ask questions, I dance in the mirror when I hear good music. I mean, I’m just trying to get the most out of life that I can at this point. And I wake up every day with gratitude, and I just go.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. Do you feel like you’ve had to adjust to a new normal?  

Erica Watson:

Oh my gosh, yes. I tend to, I guess I’ll say question things a little bit more than I did in the past, and specifically as far as my medical team; I’ll ask if I can do a thing or another with traveling, whether or not I can exercise or sit in the sun.  

I have to pay more attention to my body. I have to pay more attention to the things that I eat, those kinds of things. Which I really didn’t pay too much attention to in the beginning, but breast cancer is a part of my life and will be a part of my life. It does not define my life, but it is a part of it, and I have to pay attention to that.  

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Ashton, the next question goes to you. We often hear about the importance of creating a survivorship care plan. What is that exactly, and where do you and a patient start when you’re creating such a plan?  

Dr. Ashton:

That survivorship care plan is such an important part of the process. I think for many patients it really helps relieve a lot of anxiety. When you’re finished with your active treatment, there’s really a thought of what next, right?  

You’ve just gone through surgery or chemotherapy, radiation; you’ve been actively treating the cancer, and then you’re kind of left like, what is this new normal? So, one of the things we do at the Cleveland Clinic is patients have a survivorship visit.

So, it’s either with their oncologist or with a nurse practitioner, and they spend an hour with the patient and go through what are all the treatments you’ve done? What’s your plan for the next five years? How often do you come in to see your doctor? What kinds of tests are you going to get, what kind of scans? What you need to be looking for? What would be a sign of something to be concerned about? And then a big part of that plan is also the lifestyle changes that occur in survivorship. So, eating a healthy diet, exercising regularly, stress management, getting enough sleep. And that’s where as a psychologist a lot of times I come in.  

We have a group called Breast Cancer STAR (Survivorship Tools and Resources), so it’s a five-week program for our survivors to work on changes with lifestyle, stress management, all of those changes in their life moving forward.  

And that’s a virtual group program where survivors can talk to each other about that survivorship plan as well as learn some skills to take with them.  

Katherine Banwell:

It’s great to have that support. We know that this varies by cancer, but what is the typical follow-up that occurs when monitoring for recurrence?  

Dr. Ashton:

So, I usually would probably leave that question to the oncologist, and so many different kinds of breast cancer are going to have different kinds of monitoring. But very often that first year patients will check in with their oncologist every three months. They’ll have a breast exam at many of those visits. If they still have breast tissue, then they would have mammograms or possibly MRI’s. So, there’s some scans that go along with that. And many patients are also on ongoing medications or treatments that go for sometimes several years after their initial breast cancer diagnosis.  

So, they would be checking in with their oncologist on those medications at each visit as well.  

Katherine Banwell:

Erica, the follow-up care that goes along with being a survivor can be anxiety-inducing, or cause some call it scan-anxiety. What advice do you have for coping with these types of emotions as a survivor?  

Erica Watson:

As a survivor I will have my first scan next month, but I would just encourage survivors to just be okay with the process, ask questions, as many questions as they possibly can, take someone with them, which was suggested to me.  

I don’t have anxiety necessarily about the scans. My breast cancer was detected by pain or through pain, so I experienced anxiety with that, any kind of breast pain that I experienced from surgery or radiation therapy. And I also would just advise the patient or survivor to just experience the process, allow themselves to be afraid, talk through the reality of what’s really going on, talk through the fact that they had all the treatments, they did everything that was in their control as far as going to the appointments, getting all the care, to stop the reoccurrence.  

Katherine Banwell:

Right. Dr. Ashton, what can you tell us about the importance of peer-to-peer support in cancer care and survivorship?  

Dr. Ashton:

I think peer-to-peer support is so important for survivors.  

It really gives survivors the chance to talk with other people who really understand what it’s like going through this process. So, as a professional, I can tell patients the science and give them tools and what works, and their oncologists can tell them what’s important for them to do, but the lived experience is so important. So, in our group program they get some of that peer-to-peer support. And when Erica says, “Hey, it really helped me to bring someone with me to my scan,” a patient really hears that in a different way than when your professional tells them.  

So, it’s just that much more meaningful. There’s another program at the Cleveland Clinic called Fourth Angel, and it’s a national program that any patient can take advantage of, and it matches you with a peer mentor.  

And they often check in by phone with each other, someone who’s been through a very similar experience, and patients often find that incredibly helpful. And many patients that move into survivorship, then they become a mentor, and they’re able to help another patient.  

And that really feels good to be able to give back in that way.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah, that’s wonderful. Erica, you have a family history of breast cancer, so you’ve been really vigilant in your care over the years. What advice do you have for other patients and family members facing a cancer diagnosis? Where do you find your strength?  

Erica Watson:

Well, I got it from a handful of sources. I learned a lot on my faith. I talked to my family members who were diagnosed with breast cancer and that are currently living. I was not afraid to ask questions. I cried a lot. I just really leaned heavily on my medical team.  

I feel like it is so important as Dr. Ashton was saying to be able to reach out or connect with someone that has actually lived the experience, because I was one of those women. I heard it from the medical team, but they were leaning on science, and I needed someone that actually went through what I was going through. That allowed me to understand and to trust what they were telling me. Not that I didn’t trust my medical team, but the family members or anyone else that I leaned on to support actually lived the life that I was getting ready to live, experienced what I was getting ready to experience. So, that really helped me a lot.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. As you navigated care, were there any obstacles or hurdles that you faced?  

Erica Watson:

Well, the main one that sticks out to me today was as an African American woman, I didn’t feel as if I had a lot of resources that were catered to me and my needs. And so, that kind of stifled my search for research or for resources, because I didn’t have an experience with women that looked like me, that talked like me, that lived like me, that would have experienced the hair loss like I experienced, my skin changes with the sun.  

So, those were the obstacles that I faced, and it was tough. Of course, I had my family to lean on, I have my aunt, my sister, but there are so many women out there that don’t have family members that have gone through breast cancer, and I feel so like it’s necessary for us to be able to see and to experience the diversity in that area. 

We make up a huge demographic, but we are just not represented the way that I feel like we should.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I know that the medical community is trying to reverse this issue; they’re trying to make it easier and more supportive for people of all colors and races. Why do you think it’s important for survivors to actually be an advocate and help other people as they navigate cancer?  

Erica Watson:

I believe the most important reason is just so that they know that they’re not alone. We can, as a breast cancer survivor, I know it was – my first response was to just go into a shell and hide.  

I didn’t want to share it with anyone. Of course, my family did not, they would not have understood, and this was before reaching out to my sister and my aunt. But yeah, just so that we’re not alone, to know that there are other women out there that are experiencing and feeling the exact same thing that we are experiencing and feeling; the questions, the concern, the guilt, the fear, we just need to be able to know and connect in that way. So, I just – yeah, I’m so passionate about that, and that’s it.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. It’s so helpful to know you’re not alone in how you’re feeling, in some of the symptoms you’re having, to know that other people have experienced the same thing is vital.  

Dr. Ashton, primary and preventative care continues to be essential regardless of someone’s diagnosis. What tips do you have for keeping up with overall health and well-being?  

Dr. Ashton:

Yeah, I think as women we often put ourselves last in the priority list. And for breast cancer survivors, well-being is incredibly important. And I tell patients it’s not an optional thing or something that you’re being selfish by doing, it’s actually part of your prescription as a survivor. So, the time that you take for stress management, whether it’s meditation or being outdoors or whatever brings you joy, is really part of your prescription for wellness in survivorship. Exercise is incredibly important. They recommend for survivors 150 minutes of exercise a week and two days of weight training, keeping your weight normal.  

So, all of the healthy eating, healthy habits are actually what’s going to help prevent recurrence. And they’re things that are in patients’ control, so that feels good too to be able to take that time and recognize that it’s an essential part of their health, not an optional part.  

Katherine Banwell:

Erica, what advice would you give to someone who is newly diagnosed with cancer?  

Erica Watson:

I would tell them to process, take some time, slow down, trust family members and friends, listen to their medical team, know and realize that they are not alone, seek resources, and just to know that it’s not their fault, because I dealt with a little, a smidgen of that in the very beginning of my diagnosis. And to understand that there is, that today’s breast cancer is not yesterday’s breast cancer; it looks different, it feels different, and that they can do it.  

That is something that is vital. I believe that we – I know when I was first diagnosed, I remember looking in the pamphlets and hearing stories, and I just knew that there was no way that I was going to make it. I couldn’t do the sickness, I didn’t want to deal with the hair loss, all the things; I didn’t want to do with the pain, all the things that came along with a breast cancer diagnosis and treatment from chemotherapy, radiation, or surgery, but it’s not like that today. And so, I just would encourage the survivor or the patient to just be aware, do research, but don’t Google as much research, because it’s not a lot of good information on Google; it will definitely scare you.  

Katherine Banwell:

No, that can be dangerous.  

Erica Watson:

Yes, it will, it will scare you. But most of all, lean on family members and friends, ask for help, which is something that I did not do initially, because I am a woman and I can do it all on my own, and that didn’t work out well for me in the beginning. But just seek guidance, just reach out to someone that they know, advocate, any kind of mental health resources that are offered through the hospital or even in the community through nonprofit organizations, to do all those things. And Dr. Ashton has really encouraged me and pushed me to think of myself, to put myself first and understand that breast cancer or cancer in itself is a disease.  

It’s sickness, it needs to be treated properly, and that’s what I would give them.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. I want to thank both of you so much for joining us. And do you have anything else to add?  

Erica Watson:

Well, I’m very excited to hear Erica’s point of view as she goes through this process, and excited for her to share her experience as an African American woman. I think absolutely as healthcare providers in the system we need to do better, and I know her reaching out in this way is going to make a difference for someone listening to her story who is thinking about getting a mammogram or is starting to go through treatment. So, I just appreciate her today.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. Erica, do you have anything to add?  

Erica Watson:

I just want to thank Dr. Ashton. I want to thank you. I just want to thank – I’m grateful and honored for the opportunity to be able to share my story. I am a true believer, and if it helps one person then that’s mission accomplished.  

And I believe in locking arms and let’s just, accomplishing the goal and fighting this fight together.  

Katherine Banwell:

That’s a great way to end the interview. Thank you both again so much, it’s been a pleasure.  

Erica Watson:

Thank you.  

Dr. Ashton:

Thank you.

Advanced Non-Melanoma Skin Cancer | Establishing a Treatment Plan

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What advanced non-melanoma skin cancer therapies might comprise a treatment plan? Dr. Soo Park discusses therapy types, the impact of molecular testing, and shares key questions to ask about your treatment plan.

Dr. Soo Park is a Medical Oncologist at Moores Cancer Center at UC San Diego Health. Learn more about Dr. Park.

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Advice for Accessing Advanced Non-Melanoma Skin Cancer Clinical Trials

Advice for Accessing Advanced Non-Melanoma Skin Cancer Clinical Trials


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Katherine:

So, what is the typical treatment path for someone who’s been diagnosed at this stage of disease, at the advanced stage?  

Dr. Park:

Yeah, so, before – and I really love this question, because in the past, we did not have that much to offer patients except surgery, and then they would get a very extensive surgery. They would get reconstruction. But sometimes it’s hard to get reconstruction after a really major surgery, because you have to heal, and you have to get better. And then, after the surgery, you would typically get radiation to try to prevent the cancer from coming back. But nowadays, we have immune therapy.  

So, immune therapy is a certain type of IV medicine that’s not chemotherapy that works really well for squamous cell skin cancer. And so, nowadays, we can actually give this to you before surgery. So, we can give you a couple of doses of this IV immune therapy medicine before surgery, and really shrink your tumor quite dramatically.  

And then, that makes the surgery a lot easier, smaller. And then, sometimes after we do the surgery, and then we look at what the surgeon has taken out under the microscope, we can’t see any tumor left. And that’s really amazing, because then sometimes we don’t even need to do radiation. So, not only did we make your tumor a lot smaller, sometimes we completely made it go away.   

And then, if that happens, sometimes we don’t even need to do radiation. So, it really helps the patient. And I think this is really important, because this is somewhat newer data, and I still see patients that get referred to me for just surgery. 

But I think a lot of head and neck surgeons are now aware of this data. And so, this is something that’s, I think, becoming more common.  

Katherine:

What about targeted therapies?  

Dr. Park:

So, targeted therapies are, I think, mainly used in basal cell skin cancer. So, targeted therapies are typically oral medications or pills. They’re called targeted, because they’re used in cancers that have a specific target. So, for example, the basal cell skin cancer, the target is the hedgehog pathway, because the hedgehog pathway is abnormal. And so, these pills, they specifically target the hedgehog pathway. But for squamous cell skin cancer, we don’t have any true targeted therapies.  

Katherine:

As patients are reviewing their options with their doctor, what questions should they be asking about their care plan? 

Dr. Park:

I think all patients should be asking, what the goal of the treatment is. They should be asking, especially if they’re being offered any type of treatment, what are the side effects? What can I expect from this, in terms of how much better will it make me? They should really ask about how often the treatments are given, because some patients have transportation issues or financial barriers, and we want to know about that, so we can help them.   

Patients should also ask about any necessary blood work that is needed. They should ask what can they do in the future to prevent a similar type of cancer happening, and just make sure that they’re talking to their families, because I think social support is really important.  

Katherine:

Yeah. I think it’s important for patients to ask how the cancer is going to impact their lives overall, really.  

Dr. Park:

Yeah, exactly, because it will affect every single aspect of your life: your social life, your family life, your mental health, your physical well-being. And so, it’s really important to know and work with your doctor on what you think you can expect now, and also in the future.  

Katherine:

Yeah. Well, how do test results impact treatment options, then? 

Dr. Park:

So, there are sometimes when we have a skin cancer that actually happens inside a gland in your face. It’s one of the salivary glands in your face. And we sometimes don’t know if it’s a skin cancer that happened on the outside and that spread to the gland inside your face, or did it actually first just start inside the gland? Because a cancer that just starts inside the gland is not technically a skin cancer. It’s a different type of head-and-neck cancer, and it’s very, very rare, and it’s treated very differently.  

So, nowadays, because we have that molecular testing, like I talked about, I see lots of patients where they have a cancer in their salivary or parotid gland. We don’t know where it came from. And so, we send it for molecular sequencing or molecular testing, and there are certain clues in the molecular testing that can tell us, oh, it probably actually came from a skin cancer.  

You just didn’t know it; or maybe it’s the skin cancer that kind of was there and went away; or maybe it was a skin cancer you had like five years ago, that you didn’t think caused any problems, but it did spread, because knowing where it came from through molecular sequencing, if it’s really hard to find out where, really impacts the treatment I may give you. 

Katherine:

What about side effects of these therapies? How are they managed?  

Dr. Park:

Yeah, so, for immunotherapy, there’s one specific side effect that we don’t find with chemotherapy, and that’s really when your body’s own immune system kind of ends up attacking the other parts of your body. And so, it can cause inflammation of other organs. And so, for patients that experience that, it can be very mild, and it can be all the way to very severe, requiring a patient to go to the hospital.  

But in all cases, we just have to tell the immune system to quiet down a bit, because it’s attacking your body. And so, the way we do that is we give the patient steroids. And so, if it’s really mild, maybe you have like a small rash; maybe we can just give you a steroid cream, or maybe we have to give you a steroid pill. But sometimes, if it’s really severe, we have to tell you to go to the hospital so you can get steroids through your IV. 

How Has Lung Cancer Molecular Testing Evolved?

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Katherine Banwell:

What should patients understand about the results of molecular testing? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, molecular testing is extremely important and anybody who has metastatic non-small cell lung cancer should get it. And increasingly, with the new drug approvals, even patients that have earlier stage disease, stage II and III disease should also get molecular testing. Molecular testing is important to identify if there is a potential therapeutic target.  

But it’s also important to know that it may predict a response to a therapy, whether that be a targeted therapy or something like immunotherapy. But there is no guarantee. So, there’s no specific result from a molecular test that tells you there’s 100 percent chance you’re going to be cured by Drug X.  

And so, it’s important to always know that we’re following the data and we’re giving patients the drugs that, based on the knowledge we have today is the best option for them, based on their molecular test. But it isn’t a guarantee. And sometimes these drugs will work transiently.  

And so, they may work for weeks, months, year but then they might stop working. And it’s also important to understand that the mutational profile may change over time, which is one of the reasons why we do these genetic tests. Oftentimes multiple times. Not just at the time of diagnosis, but also when patients’ cancer starts to grow so that we can see if there’s a new molecular target that we might be able to identify and treat with a novel therapy.  

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Marron, are there innovations in technology that are aiding in the advancement of lung cancer research?  

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Yeah, so there’s lots of developments in the molecular tests that we’re doing. One of them is that we’re able to track circulating tumor DNA. So, as cancer is growing, it grows in this very unorganized aberrant way, because the on and off growth switches within the cancer, within the DNA are very dysregulated. And what happens is that often times, they’re releasing a lot of cancer cells as they’re growing or also dying and releasing their DNA into the blood.  

And so, through blood tests, we’re now able to identify the mutations in a patient’s cancer. And this is a real revolution in the initial diagnosis of metastatic lung cancer because in the past, we had to wait for three, four, five weeks in order to know whether a patient had a targetable mutation like an EGFR mutation. Or if we should use a more agnostic approach, immunotherapy or chemotherapy to treat the patient.  

But now when I see a patient, typically I see lung cancer patients on Fridays, I will take some of their blood, I send it off for the liquid biopsy analysis. And by that following Friday, so just one week later, I typically have an answer of if the patient has a mutation that I can target, let’s say with an oral medicine or if they’re a patient that I should be treating with immunotherapy. Additionally, circulating tumor DNA, increasingly we can use it to identify or track a patient’s progress, as far as response to therapy.  

And so, this has really been developed in other tumor types, but increasingly we’re using it in lung cancer where we can either track how much cancer they have in their body. So, very early on, we can see if the cancer is shrinking or growing. And additionally, we can use it to detect patients after surgery, whether or not they have residual disease in their body.

And so, a lot of the times patients will undergo surgery because let’s say on a CAT scan, you might only see one large, isolated tumor. But after we take that tumor out, now we can do a blood test to see if there might be microscopic bits of that cancer that were left over, that we weren’t able to see on a CAT scan or PET scan.  

And it’s that patient population that we think benefits most from either chemotherapy or targeted therapy after surgery. So, we’re using circulating tumor DNA, both in the metastatic setting, where cancer has already spread to other parts of the body. And also, in the perioperative setting, around the time of surgery or radiation where we’re trying to cure patients. And we’re now able to use this technology to hopefully increase the likelihood that we’re curing them. 

Advanced Prostate Cancer: What You Need to Know About Evolving Treatment and Research

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Katherine:

Hello and welcome. I’m your host, Katherine Banwell. When advanced prostate cancer patients discussed potential treatment approaches with their healthcare team, it’s important that they understand all of their options including where clinical trials fit in. So, the patient empowerment network created the Evolve Series, to help patients understand the latest research and how it may impact them. In today’s program, we’re joined by a prostate cancer expert who is going to explain and discuss research highlights, and provide tips for having productive conversations about your care. Before we meet our guests, though, let’s review a few important details.  

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Please refer to your healthcare team about what might be best for you. Well, let’s meet our guest today. Joining us, is Dr. Rana McKay. Dr. McKay, welcome. Would you please introduce yourself?  

Dr. McKay:

Absolutely. My name is Rana McKay, I’m a genitourinary medical oncologist, at the University of California in San Diego. It’s a pleasure to be here, with you, on this program today.  

Katherine:

And the sun is shining.  

Dr. McKay:

Yes.  

Katherine:

Which, is always good. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. Before we get into the discussion, Dr. McKay, I’d like to have you tell us how the landscape of advanced prostate cancer has changed over your career.   

Dr. McKay:

Oh, my goodness. It has absolutely rapidly evolved over the last decade. I think when I was just starting my career, it was right around the time where Abiraterone and Enzalutamide were being heavily tested and just getting approved and entering into the clinic. And as we think about all of the evolution that’s happened since that time, we now have multiple androgen receptor pathway inhibitors in the clinic. We have radioligand therapies in the clinic, radium-223. The first radioligand therapy across any solid tumor malignancy to improve overall survival and on the heels of that, most recently, lutetium PSMA, which is a targeted radioligand therapy.  

There’s several different kinds of chemotherapies, and I think two more diagnostics have evolved. We are now integrating molecular profiling across multiple areas in the disease natural history and actually have several FDA-approved treatments based off of results of molecular profiling, whether that be germline hereditary testing or just tumor testing like, PARP inhibitors and immunotherapy. And then, additionally, to kind of continue on that same thought of our diagnostics changing is one of the greatest disruptors in our treatment of prostate cancer has been the introduction of PSMA PET imaging that has really revolutionized our ability to be able to detect disease at lower levels of PSA.  

And that’s opened up options for focal therapy, radiation therapy, and other sorts of strategies. So, it’s really been just remarkable, all of the different advances that have occurred in prostate cancer over the last decade.  

Katherine:

Well, let’s dive into developing research and what it could mean for patients. Are there recent research highlights that you could share with the audience?  

Dr. McKay:

Absolutely. I think the newest approvals that have occurred in prostate cancer have been the approvals of combination PARP inhibitors, which block the ability of cancer cells to repair their DNA combined with hormonal agents such as abiraterone (Zytiga) or enzalutamide (Xtandi) for patients who have specific mutations in their tumor and their tumor is no longer responding to treatment. Those are the newest FDA approvals that were recently highlighted and shared.  

Katherine:

What areas of research do you specialize in? 

Dr. McKay:

The areas of research that I specialize in are particularly around novel therapeutics for patients with advanced prostate cancer, biomarker development precision medicine strategies for patients across the spectrum. And actually, also, in the localized setting, thinking about how we can attempt to cure more patients with prostate cancer by integrating our systemic therapy with surgical and radiation strategies to improve survival outcomes for patients and ultimately, cure it for patients by using effective systemic therapy early on so patients never recur.   

Katherine:

Yeah. We’ve been hearing a lot recently about innovations in technology. How are these advances accelerating prostate cancer care?  

Dr. McKay:

Innovations of technology have absolutely been revolutionizing prostate cancer care I think from the diagnostic side, there’s new imaging modalities that are getting more refined. On the molecular side, there’s now different kinds of genetic tests. And our ability for us to do these tests, and do them quickly, and get results in real time that we can make decisions on we’ve come a long way from when we first sequenced the human genome. We’re now able to do that so quickly multiple times over in a very streamlined kind of way. And then, I have to say that there’s been tremendous improvement in our modalities of administrating therapies.  

So, our therapies are getting more novel, they’re getting more precise. What I mean, by that is targeted radioligand therapy, targeting linking a small molecule that binds PSMA, labeling it with a payload that is radiation therapy or kind of radio therapy/radio particle doing the same thing with chemotherapy, developing antibody drug conjugates. There’s androgen receptor degraders. There’s different ways of administrating immunotherapy by specific antibodies. So, there’s just the different sorts of treatments that are out there.  

We’ve just come such a long way from hormone therapy, which is still very important in chemotherapy to other different modes of action with the different systemic treatments we have.  

Katherine:

What about individual patients? Is there research into understanding a person’s – just one person’s disease?  

Dr. McKay:

Absolutely. I mean, that is in essence, precision medicine. I think we are now molecularly profiling tumors that is standard of care for anybody with advanced disease to undergo hereditary tumor profiling and – or hereditary profiling of just normal cells in the body, if there’s any sort of genetic abnormalities. But also, the tumor itself, and able to do that all for the actual biopsy specimen, or surgical specimen, and also blood. And then, based off of that individual’s genetic makeup, or the genetic makeup of the tumor, or the immune profile of the tumor actually trying to target therapy.  

There is a clinical trial that we are eagerly developing through the alliance, which we hope will open to enrollment before the end of the year, called the PREDICT Study. And this study is using that very notion of taking somebody’s DNA and RNA from their specific tumor, and based off of their results, strategizing the treatment around what kind of genetic makeup is in the tumor. And I think we’re moving towards that.  

Katherine:

What about common genetic mutations and what are you learning about people who have other genetic mutations like the BRCA mutation?  

Dr. McKay:

For patients who have BRCA mutations, first I’ll say, the prevalence of BRCA mutations varies across the stage of prostate cancer that somebody has. In the localized setting, the prevalence is a lot lower on the order of 2 to 4 percent depending on somebody’s risk profile. In the advanced setting, it is higher, 6 to 8 percent. Patients who have BRCA alterations are particularly susceptible to PARP inhibitors, which are oral drugs that can be given that when given in an individual who’s got a BRCA mutation, can cause cell death; can cause a tumor cell to die. And so, that’s a very good thing.  

 I think the other thing, if thinking about the type of BRCA alterations, if there’s something that’s hereditary, this information is prognostic and predictive in that in can guide how people are going to – how we think they may do and what they may respond to. But it’s also really important because it can inform cascade testing for family members. It could also inform screening for secondary cancers in that individual who has prostate cancer with a known BRCA alteration. So, I think there’s a lot of personalization that happens based off of the molecular profiling results.  

Katherine:

It’s all so exciting, Dr. McKay. But progress can only be made with patient participation in clinical trials, as we know. So, when should a patient consider participating in a trial? 

Dr. McKay:

Thank you so much for bringing this point up. I think our clinical research is critically important to advancing the field. Clinical trials, I think, are really – they offer our patients the treatments of tomorrow today, quite honestly. And I think the way trials are designed, they’re designed to test different treatment modalities, test in reference to the standard of care. I think at any point in time, anybody can think about enrolling on a clinical trial. I think sometimes there’s this false notion that, “I’m not going to enroll in a trial until later on, until I’ve failed all different kinds of treatments.” That’s not true.  

 I think at any juncture along the way where a decision is being made around initiating a systemic therapy, or proceeding with a surgical intervention, or radiation intervention it’s always worthwhile to stop and ask, “Are there any clinical trials that I could be eligible for right now? And if so, what are they? So, I think it’s really important, I think, for patients to know that and to ask of their clinicians that are caring for them, “Are there any clinical trials?”  

And it may be that patients, not to say, may need to travel, but if they’re not necessarily at that institution where somebody may be receiving their care with a clinician asking their doctor, “Are there other trials at places close by where I can go and explore?” I think that’s a really important thing.  

Katherine:

Yeah. That’s good information. What about common misconceptions? What are you hearing from patients about their fears and hesitations about participating in the trial.  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. I think a lot of patients have a fear of, “I don’t want to be a hamster or a guinea pig. I don’t want to get placebo. I don’t want to get suboptimal care.” So, I think, to step back, I think the clinical trials are designed where actually patients are followed very, very closely, probably even more closely than I think would be in general with laboratory tests, PSA testing, imaging, at critical time points to assess that any therapies or strategies is working. Many trials are not necessarily placebo-controlled trials.  

Placebo-controlled trials are really only utilized in the context when somebody may – where the standard of care is to either do nothing or do one drug alone, not two drugs, and then, somebody’s getting one drug and getting a placebo. So, the placebo-controlled trials are really, first off, they’re later-staged studies, they’re usually Phase III studies, or large Phase II studies that have gotten pretty far on the runway of clinical trial and clinical drug development.  

 And it’s in the context of, you know, “Well, if I didn’t do the clinical trials, I’m probably not going to do anything,” or I’m not going to – you know, “If I decided to not do the trial, I would get no treatment, but if I’m doing the trial, there’s a 50 percent chance I’ll get no treatment and 50 percent chance I may get something. So, we have to think about, “Well, what is the standard of care?” and the standard of care matters because that is what it’s being compared to. If the clinical situation is that the standard of care is to monitor, then that’s where a placebo may be utilized.  

But if a standard of care is that somebody should get treatment with X drug, then that X drug would be in the controlled arm of the study.  

Katherine:

Yeah.  

Dr. McKay:

But not every trial has a placebo.  

Katherine:

What would you say to someone who is nervous or hesitant about participating in a trial?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. Very good question, I think. Talk to your clinician. Talk to your doctors about those fears. What are the reservations? What are the concerns? Sometimes, I think the unknown is always – the fear of the unknown kind of causes a lot of angst. But when people are on a clinical trial, when you’re on a clinical trial, you are in control. Some people don’t believe that, but you are, at any point in time, you can decide to stop. You don’t even need to have a reason for why you decide to stop. At any point in time, if something is not working for you, you have choice.   

And so, I think that is something that is really important for patients to know that you’re actually in control, you’re being watched very closely, being watched very carefully for safety toxicity. If there’s a toxicity, people are not going to – you’re not going to just stay getting the same regiment in the exact same way if you’re not tolerating it. If something isn’t working, you’re not going to continue receiving the therapy that’s no longer working just because you’re on a clinical trial. 

Katherine:

Right.  

Dr. McKay:

And you’re in control; at any point in time, you could say, “I don’t want to participate anymore.”  

Katherine:

Yeah. Are there barriers for accessing trials? And if so, do you have any recommendations for how to tackle those?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. I think there are barriers to accessing trials. I think it can be very overwhelming because there’s thousands of clinical trials that are being conducted for people with prostate cancer. And I think as a patient, sometimes it’s hard to navigate that. But I think the thing to take home is that you do not have to do it alone, and you should not do it alone because I think half of the trials that are out there, the large bulk of them may not necessarily be directly applicable to you or relevant for you.  

 And so, I think talking to your clinician about that, I think seeking care, even if just for a second opinion at an NCI-designated cancer center, or NCI-designated comprehensive cancer center is probably a good idea. You know, if you’re hearing the same message from your local clinician then that’s great. If there’s more options that are being presented to you, that’s great, those are more options that you could tap into. I think talking to patients who have gone on a trial may also help away some of the fear around participating in a clinical trial, and there’s lots of platforms where that could take place either asking your physician, or the American Cancer Society, or other societies can help connect patients to one another.  

Katherine:

Okay. I’m glad you mentioned some of the resources because that’s what I was going to ask you about. Well, I want to mention to our audience that if you want more basic information about prostate cancer, PEN has created a prostate cancer toolkit, which includes information about diagnosis and staging. And you can find it at powerfulpatients.org.  So, before we move onto understanding current treatment options, Dr. McKay, what are the goals of advanced prostate cancer treatment? And how do they vary by patient?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. I do think the goals can vary. I think in my mind, a lot of times, it’s making people live longer, making them feel better. Those are the two salient goals and if our therapies are not achieving one or other of those two goals then we need to rethink the strategy. But different people are different, and they may weigh the risks and benefits of any given therapy, or the slated benefit with the slated risk through a different lens. And I think it’s critically important to ensure that you’re having those communications with your doctor about the things that matter to you and the things that are really important to you. 

Especially, for people who have advanced prostate cancer. So, I think that can help your clinician strategize, “Okay, is this an individual who wants the kitchen sink everything that I can do even if that means more toxicity that I’m going to offer this thing? Or is this a situation where, you know what, unless there’s data that the kitchen sink is going to work, I really kind of want to temper things and try an approach that’s going to be effective, but maybe not associated with that degree of toxicity.” So, those kinds of conversations absolutely need to be happening.   

Katherine:

Yeah. With all the recent advances in treatment, is there a standard approach now to treating someone with advanced disease? And if so, what is it?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. There absolutely is a standard approach. There’s guidelines that are based off of the FDA-approved regimens of the different agents that can be utilized. There’s data regarding sequencing though, I think there’s more data that needs to be had on sequencing. There are guidelines on when to do germline testing, when to do tumor profiling, when to integrate PSMA PET imaging, the standard hormonal agents, who to use them. So, I do think that there are – there’s a set framework of appropriate management and treatment. But there’s a lot of personalization that is overlaid on top of that rubric. And I think that’s the art of medicine.  

Katherine:

Right. Is there testing to understand if a patient’s disease is more aggressive? Or maybe will respond to a certain type of therapy before you begin it?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. A very good question. And I think predictive biomarkers, as you described them, there are several for men with prostate cancer, but there’s not a ton of them. So, we know that homologous recombination repair alterations, HRR, gene alterations, particularly BRCA 1, 2, probably 2, we know that those are biomarkers of response to PARP inhibitors. We know that patients who have high tumor mutation burden, or have a mismatch repair, that those are markers of response to immunotherapy. We know that if people have a certain level of PSMA PET vividity on their PET scan, that that’s a biomarker for receiving lutetium PSMA.  

Those are the main biomarkers that are actually in use in the clinic to date. But I think there’s a lot more that I think are being explored from mutations in the androgen receptor, or amplifications in the androgen receptor, being potentially predictors of response to different degraders, different kind of hormonal agents. There’s certain tumor suppressor gene mutations that may predict that patients may do a little bit better with chemotherapy. So, there’s other markers that are being looked at, but they don’t have the same robustness as the BRCA 1, 2 and other ones that I talked about. 

Katherine:

Yeah. How does a patient’s health and lifestyle impact what treatment approach is right for them?  

Dr. McKay:

I mean, health and lifestyle, diet, and exercise, nutrition, sleep are so important. I think that one of the backbones of treatment for hormonal therapy is androgen deprivation therapy. There can be negative consequences with regards to muscle mass, bone mass, other things related to that therapy. So, I think it’s critically important for patients to maintain a healthy diet, making sure they’re getting appropriate exercise, weight-bearing, resistance training.  

And I think, too, this helps people with their functionality, with their ability, their reserve, and ability to tolerate treatment or tolerate more aggressive treatment. So, half of my clinic is talking about diet and exercise, and how to optimize individual health when people are on therapy. 

Katherine:

Yeah. Mentally, a good diet and sleep –  

Dr. McKay:

Yes.  

Katherine:

And exercise is going to be helpful.  

Dr. McKay:

Yes.  

Katherine:

As well. What about comorbidities? Do they play a role?  

Dr. McKay:

They absolutely do play a role. I think comorbidities like cardiovascular disease, diabetes absolutely can play a role. The hormone therapies, patients can have a propensity to gain weight, they can have a propensity to have worsened cholesterol being on hormone therapy, which can then affect somebody’s cardiovascular health. And so, some of the drugs cause increased hypertension. So, I think understanding the different comorbidities that any individual may have is important in selecting the best therapy, “Well, actually, if you’ve got X, Y, Z going on, maybe I’m going to shy away from this, but lean more towards that.”  

I think making sure that your physician knows about that and knows about changes that happen along the way. Sometimes, people with prostate cancer, many a times they have a long, natural history where they’re seeing the physician caring for them for their prostate cancer over many, many years. And somebody’s medical history, when they first saw that individual, it’s going to change and evolve over time as different things happen. And so, I think keeping your clinician that’s caring for you for your prostate cancer informed of all the other non-cancer things that are happening I think is a really good idea.  

 If you had a fracture, that’s actually a really important thing for somebody who’s got prostate cancer. Or “Gosh, my primary care just started me on Metformin because they think my blood sugar is a little bit off.” These are important things, I think, for clinicians to know about.  

Katherine:

Yeah. It’s all about communication, isn’t it?  

Dr. McKay:

Absolutely. Yeah.  

Katherine:

Don’t worry about over-sharing.  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah.  

Katherine:

Yeah. Speaking of sharing, shared decision-making has become the gold standard, really, for encouraging a successful relationship between a patient and their healthcare team. What does shared decision mean to you as a provider?  

Dr. McKay:

Yeah. I think shared decision is an open dialogue. I think it’s an open dialogue with the physician, with the patient, sometimes, often times, the patient’s caregivers, and families, and loved ones may be involved in that process, where we’re talking about, first off, establishing the goals. Well, what are the goals? And I think, when we start with the goals then, we can say, “Okay. Well, what are the things that we can do to achieve those goals?” And I think sometimes we just dive right into, “Well, what are we going to do with the next step?”  

So, I think establishing what the goals of therapy are the things that matter to any individual patient and their family is important. And then, from there, working on, “Okay. Well, aligning with those goals, these are the different things that you can do. These are the pros and cons of the different things that you could do,” and making an informed decision about the next step.  

Katherine:

What questions should a patient ask about potential treatment options?  

Dr. McKay:

One, what are the different treatment options? You know, sometimes I think that statement doesn’t get said enough. What are the standard of care options? What are the clinical trial options? Ask are there radiation therapies, surgical options? That may be a relevant question for some individuals, some individuals, not. Being very open like, “Okay, I’m hesitant about chemo. Let me explore that.” Well, where does that hesitancy stem from? What’s the fear about chemo? Are there chemotherapy-sparing options right now? Or how can we kind of dispel the fear or myth around chemotherapy?  

So, I think these are the questions that I think a patient can ask. How is a therapy administered? Where do I go? How would I receive different therapies are given at different modes of administration? I think those are good questions. Who do I call if something happens to me on the weekend or on a holiday? Who do I reach out to? What are the phone numbers? Give me all the phone numbers. Get them in my phone. Save them in there, so you know, who to reach out to if you ever need something, if you ever need assistance.  

Katherine:

Yeah, that’s really good advice. Why should a patient consider finding a prostate cancer specialist?  

Dr. McKay:

I think a patient should consider finding a prostate cancer specialist because quite honestly, the field of oncology is getting to be so expansive, and there’s so many changes in guidelines on a monthly basis, sometimes across all the different malignancies. So, I think having a specialist who understands the nuances of the different iterations of treatment for people with prostate cancer, and how to personalize that for a given patient is really important. And I think it can be associated with improved outcome.  

I will say that the note about clinical trials, there have been several studies that had been conducted that have actually noted that patients who enroll on a clinical trial, whether or not that clinical trial is positive or not, independent of the results of the trial. But just enrolling on a clinical trial is associated with improved outcome. And I think a lot of it stems with where people get their care, eligibility for trials, the scrutiny that happens when people are on trials, and sort of, level of expertise where people get their care and so forth.  

Katherine:

Yeah. Thank you for sharing all of this information, Dr. McKay, it’s really vital. As we close, what final thoughts would you like to leave our audience with? Why are you hopeful?  

Dr. McKay:

I am very hopeful because of all of the amazing technologies that are in the pipe right now, currently in development, some early on, some close to the finish line that I think are certainly going to change the way that we view and treat prostate cancer. I think it’s exciting to see where the field has come and where the field is going, and know that you are not in this alone, and there’s a lot of progress that is being made, and a lot of hope that is out there for individuals who have prostate cancer.  

Katherine:

Well, Dr. McKay, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. We really appreciate it.  

Dr. McKay:

Wonderful. It’s my pleasure.  

Katherine:

And thank you to all of our collaborators.  

If you’d like to watch this webinar again, there will be a replay available soon. You’ll receive an email when it’s ready. And don’t forget to take the survey immediately following the webinar. It will help us as we plan future programs. To learn more about prostate cancer and to access tools to help you become a proactive patient, visit powerfulpatients.org. I’m Katherine Banwell. Thanks for being with us.  

How Is Head & Neck Cancer Treatment Approached?

How Is Head & Neck Cancer Treatment Approached? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

How is head and neck cancer treated? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses treatment methods that are utilized in head and neck cancer and details how an approach is chosen. 

Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Katherine:

What is the typical route for a head and neck cancer patient? Does it start with surgery?  

Dr. Cohen:

Well, it really depends. And what I said is that head and neck cancer, for the most part, is a locally advanced disease. And I say that because it has certain implications about the way we think about treating patients. And what I mean by that is that the great majority of patients with head and neck cancer will initially present with either a localized tumor or a tumor with involved lymph nodes.

In other words, and that’s 90 percent, 90 percent of patients will present that way. In other words, it’s actually uncommon for patients with head and neck cancer to present with metastatic disease. That’s different than many other cancers. Lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, many times in those situations, patients when they come to the attention of a physician, unfortunately, already have metastatic disease. That’s not the case with head and neck.  

And so, what does that mean to have a disease that’s locally advanced? Well, the most important thing, the first thing, is that most patients, we are going to be treating with curative intent. That is, we’re going to try to cure the disease. The second thing is that the disease, and its treatment, are going to have functional outcomes, potentially for that patient.

And that gets back to something I was saying before in terms of think about how much of how we define being human happens above the clavicles. It’s really what makes us human. And so that has dramatic implications obviously for the patient. So, for head and neck cancer, the fact that it’s a locally advanced disease means that we’re going to think about curing the majority of patients, at least try to. But, we’re also going to think very strongly about how can we preserve those critical organs of swallowing and speaking and socializing?  

It also is a disease that tends to recur or come back in a locally advanced fashion. And that’s the other part of why I call it a locally advanced disease. So, unfortunately, oftentimes when head and neck cancer recurs, and obviously we try to avoid that, it comes back in the same area. And, of course that has the same implications for what we try to do with treating patients.  

Katherine:

So, even using radiation and chemotherapy, other immunotherapies, the cancer will still come back? 

Dr. Cohen:

Yeah. Yeah. And I realized I didn’t really answer your question in terms of the approach to the patient. I just gave you some general guidelines. So, let me step back and talk a little bit about that. And then we can talk about the integration of different modalities. 

Katherine:

Sure. 

Dr. Cohen:

The approach really, it depends on a few things. The primary is really where the tumor is, where the primary tumor is.  

And the reason behind that is what I as saying about the functional outcome. For instance, if somebody has a small tumor of their tongue, of the front of their tongue let’s say, a surgeon can easily remove that and the patient can continue to speak and swallow normally. And so, in cases like that, obviously we would do surgery first and then, if the patient needed it for whatever reason, we might follow up with radiation or chemotherapy.

The converse is true for a tumor that may be farther back in the throat. So, let’s say an area called the oropharynx that involves the throat that you can see, the part of the throat that you can see when you open your mouth widely. Well, if we take out a tumor there, that will have much more significant implications for long-term function. The patient may not be able to swallow or speak normally again.  

And so, for those types of tumors, we would take a non-surgical approach. Not that surgery couldn’t be done, it could. But, sometimes it’s better not to do surgery up front to preserve function. So, again, it’s those two goals that we have to keep in mind. We want to cure the cancer, but we want to preserve function. 

Katherine:

Right. 

Dr. Cohen:

Then you mentioned about chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy. And in a non-surgical approach, that’s what we would do first. We would do either radiation therapy alone, or radiation and chemotherapy. And that primarily depends on how extensive the cancer is. The more advanced it is, the more likely we are to add chemotherapy. Because we know from clinical trials, getting back to the importance of clinical trials, we know that adding chemotherapy in advanced cancers does improve survival. And so, that’s predicated on really where the cancer is and how large it is. 

Katherine:

What about treating more advanced disease? Are the choices different? 

Dr. Cohen:

Sure. Well, let’s define what we mean by more advanced. If the cancer is still localized, so even if it’s advanced, let’s say it’s a large tumor that’s invading other structures. Let’s say there’s a lot of lymph nodes involved. We would still take – assuming the patient, ultimately, it’s always the patient’s decision. We would recommend to the patient often that we try to take a curative approach.

And that curative approach in quite locally advanced cancers would almost involve everybody, so, chemotherapy, radiation ,and surgery. Almost always involve those things to try to eradicate the cancer. If we’re talking about an advanced cancer in the sense that the cancer had come back, so it’s recurrent or it had metastasized, then we really are talking about mostly systemic therapy or some sort of drug therapy.  

And now, that almost for all patients, includes immunotherapy. Again, based on the results of clinical trials. That’s relatively new. That’s been approved now for about five years, maybe six. But it has led to dramatic improvements in outcome for these patients. Now, when we look at the long-term data from these clinical trials, we’re beginning to see that about one in five patients with recurrent or metastatic disease are still alive five, six, even seven years later. That’s something that we did not see in the past. And so, immunotherapy has been a tremendous advance forward. Now, of course, the other side of that is four out of five patients are still dying so we clearly need to do better. But the fact that one out of five is surviving is amazing. 

Head & Neck Cancer: What Do You Need to Know About Evolving Treatment and Research?

Head and neck cancer research is evolving rapidly, leading to expanded treatment options for patients. Expert and researcher Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses key factors that impact head and neck cancer treatment decisions, reviews emerging research, and provides tips for collaborating with your healthcare team.
 
Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Transcript:

Katherine:                  

Hello, and welcome. I’m your host, Katherine Banwell. As patients collaborate on treatment decisions with their healthcare team, it’s important that they understand all of their options and how these options may be impacted by research developments. And that’s why the Patient Empowerment Network, or PEN, created the Evolve series. To arm you with the latest information and help you feel empowered and confident during conversations about your care. In today’s program, we’re going to hear from an expert in the field about the evolving treatment landscape and discuss how you can play an active role in your care.

Before we meet our guest, let’s review a few important details. The reminder email you received about this program contains a link to program materials. If you haven’t already, click that link to access a guide to help you follow along during the webinar. At the end of this program, you’ll receive a link to a program survey.

Please take a moment to provide feedback about your experience today in order to help us plan future webinars. And finally, before we get into the discussion, please remember that this program is not a substitute for seeking medical advice. Please refer to your healthcare team about what may be best for you.

Well, let’s meet our guest today, Dr. Ezra Cohen. Dr. Cohen, welcome. Would you please introduce yourself?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Thanks very much. Thanks for the invitation. So, I am Ezra Cohen. I am a medical oncologist and have been involved in head and neck cancer research for about 20 years in the laboratory and in the clinic. And it’s been my main focus of research for that time period.

Thanks for having me.

Katherine:                  

Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to join us today. As you know, head and neck cancer research has been progressing quickly. What recent developments do you think patients should know about?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, there are a lot, really. And I think probably the first and foremost is the impact that immunotherapy is having on treatment for head and neck cancer. And that is mostly in the form of a drug called pembrolizumab (Keytruda). It’s an anti-PD1 antibody that really – what it does is stimulate a specific cell type in the immune system called T cells. And now, it’s approved for the treatment of patients with recurrent or metastatic disease. However, for patients, I think probably the most important development over the last little while is the realization of the important of the multidisciplinary team in the management of patients with head and neck cancer.

It used to be that the care was driven by a single oncologist or a single individual, but over the last, I would say mostly over the last decade, maybe a little but more than that. There’s becoming this realization more and more and the implementation, of course, of these multidisciplinary approaches involving a surgeon, a radiation oncologist, a medical oncologist, but much more than that. A speech and language pathologist, a swallowing expert, nutritionist, psychologist, pharmacists, dentists, of course oral surgeons.

With the, now, the prospective data to validate that in a multidisciplinary setting, with a multidisciplinary tumor board where each patient is discussed with all of these individuals providing input. The outcomes are substantially better. And so, for patients, I think that that’s had the greatest impact, because we’re talking about patients who can be cured for the most part.

And those cure rates increasing just simply by getting the right people involved in their care.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Very important, then. As I mentioned a few minutes ago, patients should be aware of all of their options. How can patients stay informed as the treatment landscape expands and changes?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. It’s challenging because not only are patients and their caregivers grappling with this diagnosis, and it’s a brand-new world for almost all of them. Many patients have never had to deal with cancer ever before. Pile onto that the functional and social aspects of having head and neck cancer. Remember this is a cancer that affects so much of what makes us human – our ability to communicate, to speak, to eat, to swallow. And so, now, patients are flung into this situation, and it is challenging to find good information.

Having said that, often the oncologists that are involved in the person’s care should be a great source of information, especially if those oncologists have experience treating head and neck cancer. And incidentally, just as an aside, there is also data and mounting data that the more experienced a center is in treating head and neck cancer, the better the outcomes. And so, that’s something that patients may want to think about as they choose their providers.

But then there are also public sources. There are support groups for head and neck cancer. The Head and Neck Cancer Alliance is one of those. SPOHNC is another and they’re excellent sources of information for patients. American Cancer Society is always a very good source of information, mostly for cancer basics but they do have the pages that are dedicated to head and neck cancer.

And then the American Society of Clinical Oncology, or ASCO, actually does have a patient-facing part of their organization, and that can help not only with information about the disease, but it can also help find providers that have a specific interest in this type of cancer.

Katherine:                  

Those are all great resources. Thank you. A key part of research moving forward is the clinical trial process. Can you talk about the benefits of patient participation?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Of course. And I’m certainly a firm believer. It’s been part of what I’ve been doing for, again, over 20 years. And, so, certainly I think clinical trials are a critical component of our ability to produce better outcomes and move forward. The sobering reality is that only 3  percent of adult patients actually participate in clinical trials.

Katherine:                  

Wow.

Dr. Cohen:                  

And if we’re really going to move the field forward and be where we want to be with cancer, and that is to either cure as many people as we can or turn cancer into a chronic disease, better yet in many individuals, detect it early and prevent it. We need much greater participation in clinical trials. So, that being said, nothing is going to happen, we are not going to make strides forward in therapeutics and diagnostics, whatever in prevention, without clinical trials. Even the basic standards of care that we engage in now, and I mentioned that drug pembrolizumab, that was approved on the basis of a large randomized clinical trial.

Now, having said that, I think patients – part of the responsibility is on patients to ask their provider, “Well, what about clinical trials?” There is almost always a clinical trial that is available given a specific setting. The challenge is that it may not be available where the patient is seeking care. And there is a large disconnect in that regard.

Now, there are different organizations that are trying to improve that, improve the diversity of participation in clinical trials and the equality of availability of clinical trials to the entire population, not just people going to large academic medical centers. But, that’s the first thing I would tell patients, is part of the list of questions that you have for your provider, especially at the beginning and throughout the entire process, is there a clinical trial that would be applicable to my situation?

And if the answer is, “Well, no.” The follow-up should be, “Well, what about in the area?” Or, “What about something that may not necessarily be available in this practice but what about somewhere else in town or somewhere I could access?” Of course, that may not be possible for all patients. But if it is, I would encourage all people to ask that question. And then there is a large responsibility, I think, on providers to make clinical trials available if we’re going to improve that number from 3 percent.

There are a lot of exciting agents being studied now in head and neck cancer – immunotherapy drugs, antibody drug conjugates, novel mechanisms, cell therapies, vaccines. So, there’s certainly no paucity of interest in developing drugs in head and neck cancer and technologies as well. So, there are clinical trials available, and I think we, as a community, need to make a – need to do better in enrolling patients on those studies.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Before we talk about the currently available treatment options, I think for many people there’s confusion about what neck and head cancer is. How would you describe this group of cancers?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. And we do make it confusing, a little bit. So, the confusion is well-founded. When I talk about head and neck cancer, and I think when most of us talk about head and neck cancer, we’re really thinking about three major cancer types. The first is mucosal squamous cell carcinoma. I’ll get into that in just a second. The second is thyroid cancer, and the third are salivary gland cancers. Those are the cancers that I primarily see in my head/neck cancer clinic. We don’t see brain cancer. A lot of people think, “Well, head and neck cancer should include brain cancer.” Brain cancer really is a completely different entity, different biology, different set of physicians, different set of treatments.

And so, the way I explain it simply is everything above the clavicles but not the brain. Having said that, the majority of patients that we see in our clinic, do have squamous cell carcinoma. And those cancers start in the lining of the mouth and the throat. So, tongue cancer, throat cancer, larynx cancer, those all fall under head and neck cancer, and those are the most common malignancies that we see.

Katherine:                  

How are innovations in technologies accelerating head and neck cancer research?

Dr. Cohen:

I think, in many ways. First there’s – we mentioned the multidisciplinary approach of head and neck cancer. and each of the disciplines, the major therapeutic disciplines, being medical oncology, radiation and surgery, really have had dramatic technological advances in the last, certainly in the last decade, maybe a little bit longer.

For the surgery, it’s been the ability to do minimally invasive surgery, usually through a robot called transoral resection. And this is, as the name implies, literally a robot that’s controlled at the side of the operating room or even sometimes controlled remotely. But the advantage is that the instrument is much smaller than the human hand, and it can articulate in every degree possible. Which, obviously, the human hand has restrictions.

So, in other words, that robot can get into places and get into areas that would be very difficult without a much bigger surgery if done without the robot. And now, that surgery called TORS, transoral robotic surgery, has become pretty well, pretty standard for cancers of the base of the tongue and the oral pharynx.

That is really the back of the throat. Whereas in the past, in order to access those areas, the patient’s jaw would have to have been split, and the area had been opened. Now, that’s not necessary at all, and the surgery has turned into a much, much faster recovery with equivalent oncologic outcomes. And, of course, there’s more advancements going on in that regard.

For radiation, I think the most relevant technological advances have been the ability to focus radiation through different means on the tumor and spare normal tissue. Whether that’s with something called IMRT, which is essentially a much more sophisticated way to deliver radiation that is controlled by a computer that allows the radiation fields to be contoured around structures in a 3D fashion, much more than we were able to do prior to that.

And, of course, the other way is to use a different type of energy. Whereas conventional radiation, when we talk about radiation, we’re talking about photons. Protons, now, are becoming more widely available. And that particle has a different way to deliver energy and can actually spare normal tissue but still deliver the energy desired to the tumor. So, tremendous advances in radiation.

And then, of course, for medical oncologists, we’ve had advancements in both diagnostics and in therapeutics. 10 years ago, sequencing a cancer, deciphering the genes that drive it, the mutations that drive it, was uncommon. And, in fact, even I dare say, frowned upon by the community.

But now, there isn’t a patient that I see who has recurrent or metastatic disease that I don’t sequence. I sequence them all.

Katherine:                  

Wow.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Because the technology is readily available and quite honestly, it gives us more information that we might be able to apply to the treatment of that patient. So, that’s been a very large, a very big advancement. And then, of course, therapeutically we’ve had different agents that we’ve been able to look at. I mentioned immunotherapy. There are many new drugs that are being tested and hopefully very soon even approved for patients with head and neck cancer.

Katherine:                  

That’s great. I want to mention to our viewers that if you want more basic information, PEN has created a head and neck caner toolkit, which includes information about diagnosis and staging. And you can find it at powerfulpatients.org. So, Dr. Cohen, I’d like to move onto treatment approaches, and you’ve already mentioned some of them.

What is the typical route for a head and neck cancer patient? Does it start with surgery?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, it really depends. And what I said is that head and neck cancer, for the most part, is a locally advanced disease. And I say that because it has certain implications about the way we think about treating patients. And what I mean by that is that the great majority of patients with head and neck cancer will initially present with either a localized tumor or a tumor with involved lymph nodes.

In other words, and that’s 90 percent, 90 percent of patients will present that way. In other words, it’s actually uncommon for patients with head and neck cancer to present with metastatic disease. That’s different than many other cancers. Lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, many times in those situations, patients when they come to the attention of a physician, unfortunately, already have metastatic disease. That’s not the case with head and neck.

And so, what does that mean to have a disease that’s locally advanced? Well, the most important thing, the first thing, is that most patients, we are going to be treating with curative intent. That is, we’re going to try to cure the disease. The second thing is that the disease, and its treatment, are going to have functional outcomes, potentially for that patient.

And that gets back to something I was saying before in terms of think about how much of how we define being human happens above the clavicles. It’s really what makes us human. And so that has dramatic implications obviously for the patient. So, for head and neck cancer, the fact that it’s a locally advanced disease means that we’re going to think about curing the majority of patients, at least try to. But, we’re also going to think very strongly about how can we preserve those critical organs of swallowing and speaking and socializing?

It also is a disease that tends to recur or come back in a locally advanced fashion. And that’s the other part of why I call it a locally advanced disease. So, unfortunately, oftentimes when head and neck cancer recurs, and obviously we try to avoid that, it comes back in the same area. And, of course that has the same implications for what we try to do with treating patients.

Katherine:                 

So, even using radiation and chemotherapy, other immunotherapies, the cancer will still come back?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. Yeah. And I realized I didn’t really answer your question in terms of the approach to the patient. I just gave you some general guidelines. So, let me step back and talk a little bit about that. And then we can talk about the integration of different modalities.

Katherine:                  

Sure.

Dr. Cohen:                  

The approach really, it depends on a few things. The primary is really where the tumor is, where the primary tumor is.

nd the reason behind that is what I as saying about the functional outcome. For instance, if somebody has a small tumor of their tongue, of the front of their tongue let’s say, a surgeon can easily remove that and the patient can continue to speak and swallow normally. And so, in cases like that, obviously we would do surgery first and then, if the patient needed it for whatever reason, we might follow up with radiation or chemotherapy.

The converse is true for a tumor that may be farther back in the throat. So, let’s say an area called the oropharynx that involves the throat that you can see, the part of the throat that you can see when you open your mouth widely. Well, if we take out a tumor there, that will have much more significant implications for long-term function. The patient may not be able to swallow or speak normally again.

And so, for those types of tumors, we would take a non-surgical approach. Not that surgery couldn’t be done, it could. But, sometimes it’s better not to do surgery up front to preserve function. So, again, it’s those two goals that we have to keep in mind. We want to cure the cancer, but we want to preserve function.

Katherine:                  

Right.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Then you mentioned about chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy. And in a non-surgical approach, that’s what we would do first. We would do either radiation therapy alone, or radiation and chemotherapy. And that primarily depends on how extensive the cancer is. The more advanced it is, the more likely we are to add chemotherapy. Because we know from clinical trials, getting back to the importance of clinical trials, we know that adding chemotherapy in advanced cancers does improve survival. And so, that’s predicated on really where the cancer is and how large it is.

Katherine:                  

What about treating more advanced disease? Are the choices different?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Sure. Well, let’s define what we mean by more advanced. If the cancer is still localized, so even if it’s advanced, let’s say it’s a large tumor that’s invading other structures. Let’s say there’s a lot of lymph nodes involved. We would still take – assuming the patient, ultimately, it’s always the patient’s decision. We would recommend to the patient often that we try to take a curative approach. And that curative approach in quite locally advanced cancers would almost involve everybody, so, chemotherapy, radiation ,and surgery. Almost always involve those things to try to eradicate the cancer. If we’re talking about an advanced cancer in the sense that the cancer had come back, so it’s recurrent or it had metastasized, then we really are talking about mostly systemic therapy or some sort of drug therapy.

And now, that almost for all patients, includes immunotherapy. Again, based on the results of clinical trials. That’s relatively new. That’s been approved now for about five years, maybe six. But it has led to dramatic improvements in outcome for these patients. Now, when we look at the long-term data from these clinical trials, we’re beginning to see that about one in five patients with recurrent or metastatic disease are still alive five, six, even seven years later. That’s something that we did not see in the past. And so, immunotherapy has been a tremendous advance forward. Now, of course, the other side of that is four out of five patients are still dying so we clearly need to do better. But the fact that one out of five is surviving is amazing.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It’s a lot. It’s a lot to take in and consider. And I can’t imagine how difficult it is for the patients and the caregivers. So, now that we understand what the approaches are, how is a path decided then or determined for an individual patient? Is there key lab testing that can impact prognosis and treatment options?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Once a patient comes to the attention of the team, and that will usually be accompanied by some sort of biopsy, some sort of pathological diagnosis to confirm that indeed, we’re dealing with let’s say, squamous cell carcinoma. Then the next thing we want to do is we want to stage the disease. And what that means is basically we want to know as much as possible, or accurately as possible, where the cancer is and how big it is.

So, that would almost always involve scans, usually CT scans, sometimes a PET scan. And we can talk about the advantages and disadvantages of each. Sometimes an MRI in certain situations. But suffice it to say some sort of scan. Some sort of imaging that can tell us where the cancer is, how big it is, if there are any lymph nodes involved and if that cancer has spread beyond the head and neck area. Once we stage the disease, most patients, and I think certainly most patients should be discussed, their pace, that is, should be discussed at a multidisciplinary tumor board. Where, again, all the specialists convene at the same time, and really go over all the data that are available on that individual and come up with a treatment recommendation.

That treatment recommendation can be a single modality. So, some small tumors can just be addressed by surgery alone, or radiation therapy alone. But, for more advanced tumors, it is often all three modalities: surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. And the way they’re sequenced, the way they’re implemented, should be individualized for that specific patient. Again, with those two goals in mind: to cure the cancer and to preserve function.

Katherine:                  

What else could guide a treatment decision? For instance, a patient’s co-morbidity, their age, things like that?

Dr. Cohen:                  

All of those things.

Katherine:                  

Yeah.

Dr. Cohen:                  

So, beyond – and those are things of course that we would consider in the discussion, not only at the tumor board but of course with the patient. We know that the therapy that we often recommend is quite aggressive and toxic.

Now, the justification for that is that we’re going to try to cure the cancer. And, so we think, and of course we discuss this with the patient, that putting the patient through this course of treatment is worthwhile, makes sense, because at the end of it, the goal is for the cancer to be gone. Now, not all patients will agree with that and of course, we, based on comorbidities and age and something we call performance status, we also want to make sure that the patient can get through this aggressive treatment. Let me just go on a bit of a tangent and describe the therapy for a patient with local advanced head and neck cancer. It would involve about six to seven weeks of radiation, given Monday to Friday. Usually either weekly, or every three-week chemotherapy depending on the chemotherapy chosen.

And possibly even surgery either before or after the combined chemotherapy and radiation. And so, we’re talking about at least a three-month course of treatment going from the start to recovery. Another three months of side effects that are less intense but still there. And it’s a lot for patients to go through. Patients and their caregivers. And so, if we feel that there’s a serious comorbidity that would not allow the patient to do that, we sometimes have to alter treatment so that obviously, we don’t want to harm the patient with our treatment. Certainly we don’t want to put them in a life-threatening situation. So, we do have to take those things into account. The good thing about all this – or I guess the silver lining, if you will, is that these toxicities get better.

Patients recover. So, what I tell patients is we’re going to put you through hell, but at the end of it, I want to be sitting across from you and saying the cancer is gone, and you’re swallowing, and you’re talking normally.

Katherine:                  

Right. Right. So, there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Exactly.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. So, that leads me to my next question. Why is it so important, then, for patients to engage in their care and their treatment decisions?

Dr. Cohen:                  

I think it’s critical not only for patients but for their caregivers as well. And really, patients should arm themselves with information. And fortunately, we live in an age where information is more readily available. You don’t have to depend on a single source. Now, granted, that information can be confusing, and sometimes it’s way too confusing. Sometimes that information can even be misleading. So, one does have to be careful.

But, having said that, I think it’s so important for patients to arm themselves with information, different approaches, and what I often tell patients is get a second opinion. With one caveat, that I’ll get to in a second.  Because the reason is this is a life-threatening diagnosis for, unfortunately, many patients. And the first approach, our first chance to treat it is our best chance to treat it. So, you really want to make sure that you’re in a center that you’re comfortable with, preferably one that has experience. A provider that you’re comfortable with, that you feel at ease asking questions, you’re not intimidated and a plan that really makes sense for you and has taken into account what is this individual.

What’s our best approach to this individual? Not to an entire population but what are we going  to do for this person sitting in that chair at this time? Now, the caveat for second opinions, especially for patients with locally advanced disease, there is a time factor. And what I mean by that is I have seen patients get multiple opinions and delay the start of therapy, which we now realize impacts our ability to cure the cancer. And so, I would say it’s fine to get second opinions or even third opinions, but don’t take a lot of time doing it. The earlier therapy starts, the better our chance of curing the caner. So, there is sort of a balance there.

Katherine:                  

Well, that’s great advice, Dr. Cohen. PEN has also created downloadable office visit planners to help you organize your thoughts and communicate effectively with your healthcare team.

And that’s also in the toolkit I mentioned earlier at powerfulpatients.org. And I think this is a good segue into talking about the importance of self-advocacy. If a patient is feeling that they aren’t getting the best care or they’re uncomfortable with the care they’re getting, what steps should they take to change that?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, I think the first thing is talk to the provider. Just have that conversation. I think we have to realize that oncologists are human, and they’re people, and sometimes they get very busy. Sometimes they don’t pay attention to as much as they should. And sometimes, they don’t even know that there’s a problem. So, I would say the first thing to do is have a frank conversation with your provider. These are my questions. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Never be afraid to ask questions. These are my expectations.

Can you meet them? And in my experience, not even just personal experience, but working with many oncologists over two decades, most oncologists will say, “Oh, I didn’t realize that this was what you wanted. Let’s make it happen.” So, that I would say is the first thing. Talk to the people that are already taking care of you.

If, or whatever reason, that doesn’t work and you’re not comfortable, I would ask that provider, “Is there somebody else that – I would like to change. Is there somebody else that you would recommend?” In the worst-case scenario, that might involve going to a different institution. And the reason I say that’s a worst-case scenario is that especially in the setting of locally advanced disease, interrupting therapy or changing therapy in the middle really would have a dramatic adverse impact on outcome.

So, I would try to avoid that as much as possible. If there are natural points in the care where it makes sense to consider a change, I think that would be a lot less impactful and make more sense. For instance, if somebody is going from having completed a course of chemotherapy radiation, they now have no evidence of disease on their scans, and they want to switch to a center that is closer to home, for instance. That makes sense. And we have certainly many patients that do that and that’s a natural transition. But, to change in the middle of care, that can often have a dramatic negative impact.

Katherine:                  

Well, Dr. Cohen, thank you for sharing all this information. I’d like to close with your thoughts on the future of head and neck cancer care. Where are we headed and – excuse me – where are we headed, and what would you like to leave our audience with?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, I think there  are a few things I’ll emphasize, and I’ll talk a little but about the future. The first is this is, for many patients, a curable disease, and patients should think about what they need to set themselves up for the best outcome, both in terms of getting rid of the cancer and in terms of function. And I think those are seeking care at experienced centers with multidisciplinary teams and multidisciplinary tumor boards. That’s one.

Two would be that there are a lot of things that are happening and hopefully going to change the way we approach head and neck cancer in the near term. There are already drugs being tested for patients with locally advanced disease that we think are going to improve outcomes dramatically.

And there’s so much happening for patients with recurrent or metastatic disease with different agents and different technologies. That I really think in five years, we’ll be curing more patients with better outcomes in the locally advanced setting, and we’ll have patients that have recurrent metastatic disease where we would have felt that their survival would be counted in months, where it’s going to be counted in years, maybe even some of those patients being cured. So, the future, I think for cancer in general, but certainly for head and neck cancer, is incredibly optimistic.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. It’s such promising news, Dr. Cohen. And I want to thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. My pleasure. Thanks for the invitation.

Katherine:                  

And thank you to all of our collaborators A– excuse me – and thank you to all of our collaborators. If you would like to watch this webinar again, there will be a replay available soon.

You’ll receive an email when it is ready. And please don’t forget to take the survey immediately following this webinar. It will help us as we plan future programs. To learn more about head and neck cancer and to access tools to help you become a proactive patient, visit powerfulpatients.org. I’m Katherine Banwell. Thanks for being with us.

How Can Prostate Cancer Stigmas and Misconceptions Be Addressed?

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 How can prostate cancer stigmas and misconceptions be addressed? Expert Dr. Yaw Nyame with the University of Washington discusses common concerns and misconceptions, how doctor-patient communication can help, and support resources to aid patients and care partners.

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Nyame, have you encountered any misconceptions or stigmas related to prostate cancer within the underrepresented communities, and how do you address or mitigate these issues with your patients?

Dr. Yaw Nyame:

I think that there are a lot of misconceptions in all communities and stigmas around prostate cancer and its treatments, all the way from the early portion of diagnosis, stigma around maybe the rectal examination if you need one, take me around what may happen if you get a biopsy, misconceptions of biopsy, like will it spread the cancer all around your body, will it affect erectile function. And then through treatments. And so one of the primary jobs I feel like I have as a doctor who specializes in this area, is to take the time to hear patients express these concerns, do not diminish or belittle misconceptions, to really hear them, and then to try and educate and inform people about the realities without over-correcting either.

So someone comes to me and says, “Well, Doc, I hear that if I have surgery, I’m going to have erectile function.” I can’t, I shouldn’t, and I don’t say, Oh, you’re wrong, right? But I might say, “Well, that’s true. If you have poor erections before surgery, a likelihood that they’re going to get better is really low, and they’re likely to go away or diminish, but if you have good erections, that there’s a chance with certain techniques that they can come back and will come back.”And then I usually put something like 50 percent of men who have surgery and/or radiation will have some erectile dysfunction within the five years following their treatment. So it’s important to have a level ground where we share information candidly.

And I think it’s important for patients to come prepared to have these discussions, do your homework by talking to your people in your circles, by looking at trusted resources online from places like the American Cancer Society, Prostate Cancer Foundation, cancer centers produce their own information and be prepared to have these discussions.

My activation tip is the same as before, I think that building a community of survivors to share your concerns with and to get knowledge from is really important because there is no better source of information than the lived experience, and I think those individuals, especially the ones who volunteer to lead support groups and to share their stories, they’re wanting to impart their experience with other folks to empower them and support them, so it’s usually a really fantastic community to support understanding your diagnosis and what your journey is going to be like better and also a place to go to once you’ve experienced some of these things, right? It’s not just about the misconceptions up front and stigmas up front, but post-diagnosis and treatment, there are other concerns that may come up, and having the right network can sometimes help you navigate finding the solutions and the resources that are going to support you best.

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Personalized Lung Cancer Treatment | Key Factors to Consider

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How is lung cancer therapy personalized? Dr. Erin Schenk, a lung cancer specialist and researcher, reviews important factors and considerations that affect therapy choices, including lifestyle and patient preference.

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Katherine Banwell:

Personalizing therapy involves taking into account a number of patient factors. What should be considered when deciding on a treatment regimen for a given patient?   

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Uh-huh, yes. That’s a great question and one that is really important in formulating a treatment plan. So, some patients because of their health status, for example, aren’t able to undergo surgery, and that happens. And so, occasionally sort of their health status maybe their lungs don’t work as well as they used to or the heart doesn’t pump as well as it used to. 

You know, those sorts of health concerns can help us tailor and personalize treatments to what would be the most – the safest but also the most effective approach. Occasionally patients have another long-term chronic disease where using immunotherapy might be more dangerous than helpful because they’re sometimes autoimmune diseases.  

Especially ones that affect the brain, so for example multiple sclerosis can be one of those or disease that affect the lungs, you know, interstitial lung diseases. Those would put a patient at great risk of receiving immunotherapy, but outside of the health status, it’s also important I think to talk about what your preferences are as a patient as well.  

Because sometimes we will come to you and say, “Here are these multiple different choices and what’s important to you or maybe what you’re worried about or what you’re concerned about are considerations that we want to hear about and understand so that we can talk you through the process and help make some of these decisions.” You know, for example, if you’re receiving chemotherapy plus radiation together for your cancer care that can be a huge time commitment.   

What I mean by that is when patients get radiation in certain circumstances, that can be once a day every day, Monday through Friday for six weeks at a time and sometimes patients have challenges with transportation. Or sometimes they have you know, challenges balancing a job or childcare or other things like that. So, these are all part of the – just part of bringing it all together and putting together a treatment plan that makes sense for what we understand about the lung cancer itself, but also what we understand about you as our patient. 

You know, how can we make changes or make suggestions that would best fit for you and your needs?  

Katherine Banwell:

When should patients consider a second opinion or even consulting a specialist? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

I think any time it’s appropriate. We – at our institution, we’re one of the main lung cancer centers that – you know, within several hundred miles, so we frequently see patients and sometimes it’s just to check in and say you know, the patient says, “Here’s what my team has started me on. You know, what do you think should be the next approach?” and we talk about that, but really anytime I think is appropriate for reaching out for another set of eyes to look at things. I would say perhaps some of those most critical times would be prior to treatment starts especially if – yeah, I would say prior to starting a treatment with that new diagnosis.  

That would be a really critical time because often again, sometimes once we start down a treatment path, we’re in some ways we’re committed, but if that maybe isn’t the optimal treatment path based on, you know, the tumor and the biomarkers and the patient preference starting on that less optimal treatment path could potentially hurt patients in the long run. So, I would say at – you know, potentially at diagnosis when a treatment course is recommended and then if there is a need to change treatments.  

So, for example, especially in the metastatic setting there are certain therapies widely available. People are very familiar with them, can start them no problem, but when those treatments stop being beneficial that might be a time to also meet with a specialist or go to a lung cancer center of excellence to get their opinions on what to do next.  

Understanding Currently Available Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer Treatments

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What options are available to treat non-small cell lung cancer? Dr. Erin Schenk, a lung cancer specialist and researcher, defines personalized medicine for the audience and discusses lung cancer treatment options, including clinical trials.

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Katherine Banwell:

We’re hearing the term personalized medicine a lot these days. Would you define the term for our audience? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and I think the treatment of non-small cell lung cancer is one of the poster childs for children – for personalized medicine because based on the result of the biomarker testing that’s what drives my choice of therapy because the biomarkers help to tell me what is this cancer most likely to be vulnerable to and that in my mind that’s a wonderful application of the promise of personalized medicine.   

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. Let’s move on to treatment now, Dr. Schenk. Would you walk us through the current treatments being used to treat non-small cell lung cancer?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and there are a broad range of options, and thankfully we have so many choices in how to best help patients. And it’s often why visiting with a center that sees a lot of patients with lung cancer can be beneficial so that you have all of the parties at the table that need to be there as we’re making these treatment decisions. So, I would start thinking about patients with early-stage disease. Often surgery if tumors are small enough and there’s not you know, no lymph nodes are involved with the cancer and it’s not anywhere else.  

Sometimes surgery is all that patients might need in terms of their treatment. Those are for patients with smaller tumors and really early-stage disease. As we move forward in the stages, meaning going from stage one to stage two, so a little bit bigger of a tumor, lymph nodes might be involved.   

That’s when really the multi-disciplinary approach happens, and what I mean by that is for example, at my institution where people like me, medical oncologists, radiation oncologists, and surgeons all sit down together to talk about a patient, their scans, you know, what is their health status, what is their biomarker testing, to try to come together to form a treatment approach. And so, at our institution, you know, frequently in stage two to stage three tumors based on biomarker testing we either select upfront surgery followed by chemotherapy followed by sometimes targeted therapies or TKIs.   

Those are the medicines, the TKI, those are the medicines that are really dependent on the presence of biomarker testing. So, the biomarkers often tell us for example if there’s an EGFR mutation. If that’s present then I would use an EGFR TKI, for example. 

But if those biomarkers don’t show an alteration where I have TKI to use, then we frequently are giving patients chemotherapy plus immunotherapy before surgery. This approach is called a neoadjuvant chemoimmunotherapy approach, and it’s one of the newer changes to lung cancer care within the past year that I think really is going to have a positive impact on outcomes for patients with lung cancer.  

So, just again in broad strokes, and then as we move into stage three patients where we can’t resect the tumor, that’s where we give chemotherapy medicines plus radiation therapy. Oftentimes followed by immunotherapy and then when patients have disease that spread outside of the chest, outside of the lungs, the metastatic setting or stage IV, that’s when we think about the whole host of therapies available through medical oncology, systemic therapies is another way to call them.  

And there we think about immunotherapy-based treatments plus or minus chemotherapy or we think about targeted therapy-based approaches with those TKIs. And again, it’s all based on those molecular markers, those biomarkers. 

Katherine Banwell:

Do clinical trials play a role in lung cancer treatment? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Clinical trials are incredibly important for the treatment of lung cancer. These are the tests and the procedures that we do that have continuously advanced our ability to care for patients with lung cancer. You know, it was clinical trial data that helped us get alerted to doing chemotherapy and immunotherapy before surgery really can help patients do better. And similarly, clinical trials have helped us define when do we use TKIs or targeted therapies. 

So, I think that’s another great question to ask your team of, “Based on all of the information you know about me and my cancer are there clinical trials options that are available here where I’m at or ones that are really interesting or appealing elsewhere that might be worthwhile for me to consider?” So, clinical trials are a critical part of how we help patients do better.  

Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer Essential Testing | What You Should Know

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What tests are needed for a lung cancer diagnosis, and how might the results affect treatment options? Dr. Erin Schenk reviews the most common tests for lung cancer, including biomarker testing, and how the results may be used to determine the most appropriate therapy for your particular disease.

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Katherine Banwell:

What are the various subtypes of lung cancer, and how are they identified?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely. So, there are a number of different subtypes of lung cancer that are important for us to identify, because it helps to stratify or helps to select the right treatment approaches for a patient. So, usually when someone is diagnosed with lung cancer there was a scan done at some point that noticed a mass or masses in the body. 

What happens next is a biopsy happens where a needle is used to sample the tissue, and that could be in the lung, that could be in lymph nodes or other parts of the body and that tissue that’s sampled is first sent to my colleagues in pathology.  

And they’re a group of doctors who look at tissues underneath the microscope and try to identify what those are. And based on that initial pathology analysis, we can identify usually pretty straightforward, what is the type of cancer that they see under the microscope.  

And so, in very general terms there are non-small cell lung cancers, there is a group called small cell lung cancers, and there’s also a group called neuroendocrine cancers as well. Oftentimes, times we’re able to differentiate these types of tumors, these types of lung cancers based on how different markers show up, and these are called stains. 

And these stains can differentiate non-small cell between adenocarcinoma versus squamous cell carcinoma. And then they can also help differentiate small cell lung cancer. And then, of course, they can also help to identify if this is a neuroendocrine tumor. 

Katherine Banwell:

Today we’re going to focus on non-small cell lung cancer. Are there specific tests that patients should ask their doctor for following a diagnosis? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and I think it’s sometimes helpful to understand what are all the pieces of information I need when I first meet a patient to make decisions about treatments? So, we just went over the histology or another word, the pathology, what does the cancer look like underneath – under the microscope? That can help and that’s one of the pieces, understanding what type of non-small cell lung cancer is present. 

Additional information that’s needed includes certain tests, and you might hear say like, molecular testing or sequencing.  

Those pieces of information can be really important for treatment selection. So, whether there’s a diagnosis of adenocarcinoma or squamous cell lung cancer, we always try to know the PD-L1 status. And that’s actually a surface marker that’s present on the outside of the cancer cells and is able to help us select immunotherapy treatments as appropriate.  

Oftentimes, patients with lung adenocarcinoma will get further sequencing of the tumor itself. And again, you might hear of this called molecular testing or next-generation sequencing, NGS. There are a lot of terms we use for it, but fundamentally, what we’re trying to do is understand the vulnerabilities of the cancer cells. 

And these vulnerabilities can be identified by these molecular tests. They often are able to recognize mutations or fusions or genetic changes within the cancer cells that are present. This is critically important, because we have a whole number of oral targeted therapies that can go after these mutations or alterations, and in other words, they go after the vulnerability in the cancer cells. That’s the adenocarcinoma histology.  

That’s the majority of non-small cell lung cancer diagnoses but I think also if you have been told your diagnosis is of squamous lung cancer, classically we don’t often think of those driver alterations or those fusions or mutations that I just spoke about. But I think it’s also quite important for patients in that situation to also undergo molecular testing.  

As we learn more and more, sometimes those squamous lung cancers can also bear those same alterations. Not to the same frequency, but they can be present, and I think it’s important as you’re thinking about a patient to try to understand what are all the tools I have for them to do that sequencing just to make sure you’re not missing something. So, that’s a really in-depth look to molecular testing.  

I’d like to transition to some of the other tests that would be necessary to help put that molecular testing in context. Another important piece is something called staging.  And staging is a way to determine if the lung cancer has traveled elsewhere in the body. 

Sometimes it can be involved in the lymph nodes of the middle of the chest. Sometimes it can go outside the chest. For example, to the bones or the liver or the brain, and understanding that information, understanding that lay of the land before we start treatment, is really important, not only for treatment selection, like the treatments, the medicines I would give as a medical oncologist.  

But also, in thinking about which other colleagues of mine who help take care of patients with lung cancer should I also involve in some of these treatment decisions. So, staging can often involve CT scans of the chest, abdomen, pelvis. A PET scan can be done. As well as an MRI of the brain. 

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Schenk, I just want to confirm that you’ve been speaking about molecular testing, that’s the same as biomarker testing, right? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Exactly. Exactly. 

Katherine Banwell:

And how is it performed? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

So, biomarker testing, molecular testing, NGS, there’s a whole range of synonyms we use, that is done primarily on the tumor tissue.  

So, the first test that usually comes back is a marker on the cancer cell. 

That’s PD-L1. That is an IHC test that is able to be done pretty quickly and we’re able to have a turnaround time of just a few days to understand that first biomarker. But the PD-L1 status does not make sense unless we have all of the other information to get the best context, the best understanding of the tumor and what drives the tumor. That additional testing is actually the next-generation sequencing where the genetic material of cancer cells, the DNA and RNA is sequenced in a laboratory to look for those mutations or fusions or other alterations that can drive the cancer cells. And again, it helps me identify additional vulnerabilities in the cancer cells to allow me to pick the optimal therapy for the patient in front of me.  

The tissue testing is the gold standard and we try to get all of our answers from the tissue. Sometimes we’re also able to get additional information from the blood, and that’s what’s called a liquid biopsy. Cancer cells – in some patients, cancer cells shed their genetic material into the bloodstream.  

And these specialized tests are able to pick up that genetic material, have the sequencing done on that, and then report back to me about what may or may not be found.  

Now, as I mentioned, not all of lung cancers shed this information into the blood, so it’s not – if the blood does not reveal an answer or information, that’s – we still need to look closer at the tissue, but occasionally if the blood reveals certain alterations, that can be acted upon, and we don’t have to wait for the tissue testing. 

I think one of the challenges that I absolutely sympathize with their biomarker or molecular testing is that it can take a series of weeks to really get all of the information necessary to make the best choice for the patient in front of us.  

And I have a – I have a saying I like to share with patients that is really important and I think really fundamental to the treatment choices for patients with lung cancer and that is, it’s better to get started on the right treatment rather than the fast one, and that’s true. We know through a series of clinical trials that if I were to start a patient on a treatment that wasn’t appropriate to their biomarkers I actually hurt them. So, I actually reduce how well their later therapies will work. 

And so, it’s a tough wait and I anxiously wait with all of my patients but it’s a really important – it’s really important to get all of that information together. 

Katherine Banwell:

Well, would the cancer change dramatically over a period of three or four weeks?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

That’s it, you know, that’s a question I hear a lot from patients, and, again, to empathize with the agony of waiting, it’s hard to wait but I can tell you as a doctor who’s taken care of many, many patients with lung cancer the weeks do not make a difference in terms of will have – will it hurt me? So, it will not in general it does not hurt to wait. It’s better to get started on the right treatment because the right treatment has the highest chance of being effective. 

So, the two to three weeks very rarely in my experience has that changed a situation for a patient, but that’s also why we frequently do the liquid biopsy testing at the same time as the tissue testing, because we too want to try to get the answer as quick as possible. So, we try to exhaust all of the routes that we have to get the answer that we need for our patients. 

Katherine Banwell:

What about the latest advances, is there anything in lung cancer testing that patients should know about?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Yes, absolutely. I think more and more we’re using these liquid biopsies in different situations for patients with lung cancer. So, Katherine, you and I have mostly been talking about patients who’ve been diagnosed with metastatic disease or a disease that’s been spread outside of the lungs. The liquid biopsy testing, though we’re starting to use in patients who have tumors we can remove with surgery or tumors we can try to cure with a combination of chemotherapy and radiation therapy. 

And we’re using more as a marker of response, and what I mean by that is let’s say someone with a cancer that can be surgically resected or removed by surgery, we can check their liquid biopsy. And if we see a marker in their liquid biopsy, we can then follow that over time in conjunction with scans to try to understand is the cancer – you know, with all the information we can, is the cancer completely gone or are we starting to see that marker again? Do we need to think about doing different scans or different tests to look for a potential area of recurrence of the cancer? 

Katherine Banwell:

What sort of questions should patients be asking about their test results? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Uh-huh. I think there are – I think the primary question is “Have you sent my tissue for biomarker testing?” 

And this is true – in my opinion, this is true regardless of the stage of diagnosis, again in the non-small cell lung cancer space, and that’s because we are starting to use some of our targeted therapies as well as our immunotherapies in patients with cancer that can be resected by surgery or maybe would get chemotherapy and radiation therapy. So, these biomarkers are also important in that decision-making for patients that have an earlier stage of disease. And so, I think the first question is, “Has my tissue been sent for biomarker testing?” because I think that’s a part as a necessary part of care given the advances that we’ve made.  

That’s the first question, two, “When do you expect the results? When did it get sent off?” and then three, you know once that has been sent off and whether that’s tissue testing, liquid biopsy, or both, talking with your doctor and your team about what it means.  

How they incorporate this data into your treatment decisions, and then occasionally, asking about did they get all the information they need? Because while we’ve been able to do this biomarker testing for lung cancer for years now, you know, no test is perfect and sometimes cancer cells aren’t the best material to start with when you’re trying to get a really definitive answer.  

So, occasionally patients might need to be biopsied again to really and truly get the full spectrum of information necessary prior to making treatment decisions.  

Why Test Results Matter | Accessing Personalized Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer Treatment

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Can test results affect non-small cell lung cancer treatment options? Dr. Erin Schenk reviews essential lung cancer testing, discusses how the results may influence treatment approaches, and explains why it’s important for patients to take an active role in their care and treatment choices.

Dr. Erin Schenk is a medical oncologist, lung cancer researcher, and assistant professor in the division of medical oncology at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Center.

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Katherine Banwell:

Hello, and welcome. I’m Katherine Banwell, your host for today’s program. Today we’re going to discuss the latest advances in lung cancer including the role of genetic testing and how this may affect treatment options. Before we get into the discussion, please remember that this program is not a substitute for seeking medical advice. Please refer to your healthcare team about what might be best for you. Well, let’s meet our guest today. Joining me is Dr. Erin Schenk. Dr. Schenk, welcome, would you please introduce yourself? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

And thanks so much, Katherine. I’m Dr. Erin Schenk. I’m a medical oncologist at the University of Colorado and I have a great position where I’m able to take care of patients with lung cancer in the clinic and also, do laboratory-based research on new and different therapies for lung cancer. Thanks so much for having me. 

Katherine Banwell:

That’s so great. Oh, I’m so glad you were able to join us today. Because this program is part of our Insist series which empowers patients to insist on better care. Can you tell us why you think it’s important for patients to speak up and engage in their lung cancer care decisions?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and I think as a physician it’s important not only to partner with patients but as well as their loved ones and their caregivers who help navigate this diagnosis of lung cancer. There are some diagnoses in the world, cancer being one of them and lung cancer especially that can turn everything upside down. So, it completely changes your world. Suddenly the life as you’ve been living it, the plans you had they all have to be paused or halted in some way to get care for the lung cancer diagnosis.  

One of the – and one of the really hopeful parts about being a doctor who cares for patients with lung cancer is just the speed of the advancements and the speed of the changes in the treatment options that we have for patients diagnosed with really any type of lung cancer.  

And so, I think it’s really important when you’re meeting with your team and you’re talking with your cancer doctor to really try to understand what is the information that they use to make some of these decisions or referrals on your behalf? And also, think about, is there an opportunity for me to get another opinion about what might be the best options? 

Katherine Banwell:

Thank you for that Dr. Schenk, that’s helpful as we begin our discussion today. I’d like to start with some basics. What are the various subtypes of lung cancer, and how are they identified?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely. So, there are a number of different subtypes of lung cancer that are important for us to identify, because it helps to stratify or helps to select the right treatment approaches for a patient. So, usually when someone is diagnosed with lung cancer there was a scan done at some point that noticed a mass or masses in the body. 

What happens next is a biopsy happens where a needle is used to sample the tissue, and that could be in the lung, that could be in lymph nodes or other parts of the body and that tissue that’s sampled is first sent to my colleagues in pathology.  

And they’re a group of doctors who look at tissues underneath the microscope and try to identify what those are. And based on that initial pathology analysis, we can identify usually pretty straightforward, what is the type of cancer that they see under the microscope.  

And so, in very general terms there are non-small cell lung cancers, there is a group called small cell lung cancers, and there’s also a group called neuroendocrine cancers as well. Oftentimes, times we’re able to differentiate these types of tumors, these types of lung cancers based on how different markers show up, and these are called stains. 

And these stains can differentiate non-small cell between adenocarcinoma versus squamous cell carcinoma. And then they can also help differentiate small cell lung cancer. And then, of course, they can also help to identify if this is a neuroendocrine tumor. 

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. Thank you so much for explaining that. Today we’re going to focus on non-small cell lung cancer. Are there specific tests that patients should ask their doctor for following a diagnosis?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and I think it’s sometimes helpful to understand what are all the pieces of information I need when I first meet a patient to make decisions about treatments? So, we just went over the histology or another word, the pathology, what does the cancer look like underneath – under the microscope? That can help and that’s one of the pieces, understanding what type of non-small cell lung cancer is present. 

Additional information that’s needed includes certain tests, and you might hear say like, molecular testing or sequencing. Those pieces of information can be really important for treatment selection. So, whether there’s a diagnosis of adenocarcinoma or squamous cell lung cancer, we always try to know the PD-L1 status. And that’s actually a surface marker that’s present on the outside of the cancer cells and is able to help us select immunotherapy treatments as appropriate.  

Oftentimes, patients with lung adenocarcinoma will get further sequencing of the tumor itself. And again, you might hear of this called molecular testing or next-generation sequencing, NGS. There are a lot of terms we use for it, but fundamentally, what we’re trying to do is understand the vulnerabilities of the cancer cells. 

And these vulnerabilities can be identified by these molecular tests. They often are able to recognize mutations or fusions or genetic changes within the cancer cells that are present. This is critically important, because we have a whole number of oral targeted therapies that can go after these mutations or alterations, and in other words, they go after the vulnerability in the cancer cells. That’s the adenocarcinoma histology.  

That’s the majority of non-small cell lung cancer diagnoses but I think also if you have been told your diagnosis is of squamous lung cancer, classically we don’t often think of those driver alterations or those fusions or mutations that I just spoke about. But I think it’s also quite important for patients in that situation to also undergo molecular testing.   

As we learn more and more, sometimes those squamous lung cancers can also bear those same alterations. Not to the same frequency, but they can be present, and I think it’s important as you’re thinking about a patient to try to understand what are all the tools I have for them to do that sequencing just to make sure you’re not missing something. So, that’s a really in-depth look to molecular testing.  

I’d like to transition to some of the other tests that would be necessary to help put that molecular testing in context. Another important piece is something called staging. And staging is a way to determine if the lung cancer has traveled elsewhere in the body.  

Sometimes it can be involved in the lymph nodes of the middle of the chest. Sometimes it can go outside the chest. For example, to the bones or the liver or the brain, and understanding that information, understanding that lay of the land before we start treatment, is really important, not only for treatment selection, like the treatments, the medicines I would give as a medical oncologist.  

But also, in thinking about which other colleagues of mine who help take care of patients with lung cancer should I also involve in some of these treatment decisions. So, staging can often involve CT scans of the chest, abdomen, pelvis. A PET scan can be done. As well as an MRI of the brain. 

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Schenk, I just want to confirm that you’ve been speaking about molecular testing, that’s the same as biomarker testing, right?  

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Exactly. Exactly.  

Katherine Banwell:

And how is it performed? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

So, biomarker testing, molecular testing, NGS, there’s a whole range of synonyms we use, that is done primarily on the tumor tissue.   

So, the first test that usually comes back is a marker on the cancer cell. 

That’s PD-L1. That is an IHC test that is able to be done pretty quickly and we’re able to have a turnaround time of just a few days to understand that first biomarker. But the PD-L1 status does not make sense unless we have all of the other information to get the best context, the best understanding of the tumor and what drives the tumor. That additional testing is actually the next-generation sequencing where the genetic material of cancer cells, the DNA and RNA is sequenced in a laboratory to look for those mutations or fusions or other alterations that can drive the cancer cells. And again, it helps me identify additional vulnerabilities in the cancer cells to allow me to pick the optimal therapy for the patient in front of me. 

The tissue testing is the gold standard and we try to get all of our answers from the tissue. Sometimes we’re also able to get additional information from the blood, and that’s what’s called a liquid biopsy. Cancer cells – in some patients, cancer cells shed their genetic material into the bloodstream.  

And these specialized tests are able to pick up that genetic material, have the sequencing done on that, and then report back to me about what may or may not be found.  

Now, as I mentioned, not all of lung cancers shed this information into the blood, so it’s not – if the blood does not reveal an answer or information, that’s – we still need to look closer at the tissue, but occasionally if the blood reveals certain alterations, that can be acted upon, and we don’t have to wait for the tissue testing. 

I think one of the challenges that I absolutely sympathize with their biomarker or molecular testing is that it can take a series of weeks to really get all of the information necessary to make the best choice for the patient in front of us.  

And I have a saying I like to share with patients that is really important and I think really fundamental to the treatment choices for patients with lung cancer and that is, it’s better to get started on the right treatment rather than the fast one, and that’s true. We know through a series of clinical trials that if I were to start a patient on a treatment that wasn’t appropriate to their biomarkers I actually hurt them. So, I actually reduce how well their later therapies will work. 

And so, it’s a tough wait and I anxiously wait with all of my patients but it’s a really important – it’s really important to get all of that information together. 

Katherine Banwell:

Well, would the cancer change dramatically over a period of three or four weeks? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

That’s it, you know, that’s a question I hear a lot from patients, and, again, to empathize with the agony of waiting, it’s hard to wait but I can tell you as a doctor who’s taken care of many, many patients with lung cancer the weeks do not make a difference in terms of will have – will it hurt me? So, it will not in general it does not hurt to wait. It’s better to get started on the right treatment because the right treatment has the highest chance of being effective. 

So, the two to three weeks very rarely in my experience has that changed a situation for a patient, but that’s also why we frequently do the liquid biopsy testing at the same time as the tissue testing, because we too want to try to get the answer as quick as possible. So, we try to exhaust all of the routes that we have to get the answer that we need for our patients. 

Katherine Banwell:

What about the latest advances, is there anything in lung cancer testing that patients should know about? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Yes, absolutely. I think more and more we’re using these liquid biopsies in different situations for patients with lung cancer. So, Katherine, you and I have mostly been talking about patients who’ve been diagnosed with metastatic disease or a disease that’s been spread outside of the lungs. The liquid biopsy testing, though we’re starting to use in patients who have tumors we can remove with surgery or tumors we can try to cure with a combination of chemotherapy and radiation therapy. 

And we’re using more as a marker of response, and what I mean by that is let’s say someone with a cancer that can be surgically resected or removed by surgery, we can check their liquid biopsy. And if we see a marker in their liquid biopsy, we can then follow that over time in conjunction with scans to try to understand is the cancer – you know, with all the information we can, is the cancer completely gone or are we starting to see that marker again? Do we need to think about doing different scans or different tests to look for a potential area of recurrence of the cancer? 

Katherine Banwell:

What sort of questions should patients be asking about their test results? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

I think the primary question is “Have you sent my tissue for biomarker testing?” 

And this is true – in my opinion, this is true regardless of the stage of diagnosis, again in the non-small cell lung cancer space, and that’s because we are starting to use some of our targeted therapies as well as our immunotherapies in patients with cancer that can be resected by surgery or maybe would get chemotherapy and radiation therapy. So, these biomarkers are also important in that decision-making for patients that have an earlier stage of disease. And so, I think the first question is, “Has my tissue been sent for biomarker testing?” because I think that’s a part as a necessary part of care given the advances that we’ve made.  

That’s the first question, two, “When do you expect the results? When did it get sent off?” and then three, you know once that has been sent off and whether that’s tissue testing, liquid biopsy, or both, talking with your doctor and your team about what it means.  

How they incorporate this data into your treatment decisions, and then occasionally, asking about did they get all the information they need? Because while we’ve been able to do this biomarker testing for lung cancer for years now, you know, no test is perfect and sometimes cancer cells aren’t the best material to start with when you’re trying to get a really definitive answer.  

So, occasionally patients might need to be biopsied again to really and truly get the full spectrum of information necessary prior to making treatment decisions.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah, great suggestions. Great ideas, thank you. We’re hearing the term personalized medicine a lot these days. Would you define the term for our audience? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and I think the treatment of non-small cell lung cancer is one of the poster childs for children – for personalized medicine because based on the result of the biomarker testing that’s what drives my choice of therapy because the biomarkers help to tell me what is this cancer most likely to be vulnerable to and that in my mind that’s a wonderful application of the promise of personalized medicine.   

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. Let’s move on to treatment now, Dr. Schenk. Would you walk us through the current treatments being used to treat non-small cell lung cancer? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely, and there are a broad range of options, and thankfully we have so many choices in how to best help patients. And it’s often why visiting with a center that sees a lot of patients with lung cancer can be beneficial so that you have all of the parties at the table that need to be there as we’re making these treatment decisions. So, I would start thinking about patients with early-stage disease. Often surgery if tumors are small enough and there’s not you know, no lymph nodes are involved with the cancer and it’s not anywhere else.  

Sometimes surgery is all that patients might need in terms of their treatment. Those are for patients with smaller tumors and really early-stage disease. As we move forward in the stages, meaning going from stage one to stage two, so a little bit bigger of a tumor, lymph nodes might be involved.  

That’s when really the multi-disciplinary approach happens, and what I mean by that is for example, at my institution where people like me, medical oncologists, radiation oncologists, and surgeons all sit down together to talk about a patient, their scans, you know, what is their health status, what is their biomarker testing, to try to come together to form a treatment approach. And so, at our institution, you know, frequently in stage two to stage three tumors based on biomarker testing we either select upfront surgery followed by chemotherapy followed by sometimes targeted therapies or TKIs.  

Those are the medicines, the TKI, those are the medicines that are really dependent on the presence of biomarker testing. So, the biomarkers often tell us for example if there’s an EGFR mutation. If that’s present then I would use an EGFR TKI, for example. 

But if those biomarkers don’t show a alteration where I have TKI to use, then we frequently are giving patients chemotherapy plus immunotherapy before surgery. This approach is called a neoadjuvant chemoimmunotherapy approach, and it’s one of the newer changes to lung cancer care within the past year that I think really is going to have a positive impact on outcomes for patients with lung cancer.   

So, just again in broad strokes, and then as we move into stage three patients where we can’t resect the tumor, that’s where we give chemotherapy medicines plus radiation therapy. Oftentimes followed by immunotherapy and then when patients have disease that spread outside of the chest, outside of the lungs, the metastatic setting or stage IV, that’s when we think about the whole host of therapies available through medical oncology, systemic therapies is another way to call them.  

And there we think about immunotherapy-based treatments plus or minus chemotherapy or we think about targeted therapy-based approaches with those TKIs. And again, it’s all based on those molecular markers, those biomarkers. 

Katherine Banwell:

Do clinical trials play a role in lung cancer treatment? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Clinical trials are incredibly important for the treatment of lung cancer. These are the tests and the procedures that we do that have continuously advanced our ability to care for patients with lung cancer. You know, it was clinical trial data that helped us get alerted to doing chemotherapy and immunotherapy before surgery really can help patients do better. And similarly, clinical trials have helped us define when do we use TKIs or targeted therapies. 

So, I think that’s another great question to ask your team of, “Based on all of the information you know about me and my cancer are there clinical trials options that are available here where I’m at or ones that are really interesting or appealing elsewhere that might be worthwhile for me to consider?” So, clinical trials are a critical part of how we help patients do better.  

Katherine Banwell:

Personalizing therapy involves taking into account a number of patient factors. What should be considered when deciding on a treatment regimen for a given patient?   

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Yes. That’s a great question and one that is really important in formulating a treatment plan. So, some patients because of their health status, for example, aren’t able to undergo surgery, and that happens. And so, occasionally sort of their health status maybe their lungs don’t work as well as they used to or the heart doesn’t pump as well as it used to. 

You know, those sorts of health concerns can help us tailor and personalize treatments to what would be the most – the safest but also the most effective approach. Occasionally patients have another long-term chronic disease where using immunotherapy might be more dangerous than helpful because they’re sometimes autoimmune diseases.  

Especially ones that affect the brain, so for example multiple sclerosis can be one of those or disease that affect the lungs, you know, interstitial lung diseases. Those would put a patient at great risk of receiving immunotherapy, but outside of the health status, it’s also important I think to talk about what your preferences are as a patient as well.  

Because sometimes we will come to you and say, “Here are these multiple different choices and what’s important to you or maybe what you’re worried about or what you’re concerned about are considerations that we want to hear about and understand so that we can talk you through the process and help make some of these decisions.” You know, for example, if you’re receiving chemotherapy plus radiation together for your cancer care that can be a huge time commitment.  

What I mean by that is when patients get radiation in certain circumstances, that can be once a day every day, Monday through Friday for six weeks at a time and sometimes patients have challenges with transportation. Or sometimes they have you know, challenges balancing a job or childcare or other things like that. So, these are all part of the – just part of bringing it all together and putting together a treatment plan that makes sense for what we understand about the lung cancer itself, but also what we understand about you as our patient. 

You know, how can we make changes or make suggestions that would best fit for you and your needs? 

Katherine Banwell:

You’ve brought up some really good points and of course, patients should be involved in these decisions. If a patient is feeling uncomfortable with their care plan, why do you think it’s important for them to speak up? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

In my experience, when people are worried about certain things or they say they definitely don’t want this therapy it’s because they have seen other loved ones or family members suffer because of that particular type of treatment in the past. And I think bringing up those concerns can be helpful for me as someone’s doctor to talk them through, okay, this is what chemotherapy looks like. This is what we do to help reduce your side effects.  

These are the resources we have to support you through treatment if any of these side effects come about and I think I also impress upon them that receiving treatment is ultimately their decision now. My bias of course, I think we can help patients quite a bit with their treatments, but I think it’s also important to recognize you know, they have autonomy to say no at any point in time. And I think just acknowledging those fears, acknowledging those concerns, putting together a plan you know, before any of those potential worrisome side effects happen can be really powerful to help reduce some of the stress and worry around treatment. 

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Schenk, when should patients consider a second opinion or even consulting a specialist? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

I think any time it’s appropriate. We – at our institution, we’re one of the main lung cancer centers that – you know, within several hundred miles, so we frequently see patients and sometimes it’s just to check in and say you know, the patient says, “Here’s what my team has started me on. You know, what do you think should be the next approach?” and we talk about that, but really anytime I think is appropriate for reaching out for another set of eyes to look at things. I would say perhaps some of those most critical times would be prior to treatment starts especially if – yeah, I would say prior to starting a treatment with that new diagnosis.  

That would be a really critical time because often again, sometimes once we start down a treatment path, we’re in some ways we’re committed, but if that maybe isn’t the optimal treatment path based on, you know, the tumor and the biomarkers and the patient preference starting on that less optimal treatment path could potentially hurt patients in the long run. So, I would say at – you know, potentially at diagnosis when a treatment course is recommended and then if there is a need to change treatments.  

So, for example, especially in the metastatic setting there are certain therapies widely available. People are very familiar with them, can start them no problem, but when those treatments stop being beneficial that might be a time to also meet with a specialist or go to a lung cancer center of excellence to get their opinions on what to do next.  

Katherine Banwell:

You know, one thing patients are often concerned about is the financial aspect, the financial burden that is involved in their treatment care. How do they deal with that? Are there resources available for them? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

There can be and this definitely can vary based on what treatment you’re being given and where you are, at what institution and what state you’re being treated at since resources are different. But for example, the targeted therapies or the TKIs I made reference to earlier, those can have some significant out-of-pocket costs and most of the,  if not all of the manufacturers of those various TKIs have patient assistance programs that help to reduce the out-of-pocket costs for those specific medicines.  

When I prescribe a TKI for a patient often what’s part of that is a prior authorization to try to understand what’s the out-of-pocket cost for the patient and then kind of get on top of whether or not we need to apply for patient assistance to help pay for the cost of that medication. So, that’s one way that we can help. 

I think, in again, this is specific to my institution and our clinical practice, but we often have – we work very closely with other cancer doctors in the community. So, if traveling to our site is a major burden we can usually have them visit with a oncologist who’s close to them so there’s less travel, there’s less costs in you know gas and staying somewhere. But they still can be connected with us. So, while they can get most of their care under a doctor that’s closer to them, every so often they come back and see me and just talk about how things are going and what you know might be worthwhile to consider down the road.  

And I would also recommend that if there are other costs or concerns you know, kind of above and beyond these things that we’ve touched on, connecting with a social worker through the cancer center can be helpful in dealing with paperwork for disability or retirement or sometimes connecting to resources if there’s a childcare need. 

Or you’re caring for a spouse and you need additional help at home. You know all of the different burdens that are present in life that just get magnified with a cancer diagnosis and you know, we can – there’s usually a really big attempt to try to find a way to help figure out navigating those so that you can get the care you need.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. Before we close, Dr. Schenk, I’d like to get your final thoughts. What would you like to leave the audience with? Are you hopeful? 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Yes. There are tremendous – there has been tremendous growth and change in the practice in how we treat patients with lung cancer, even just in the past handful of years and it’s made marked improvements in how well people do and for how long they do well. 

And that – you know that trajectory I anticipate continuing based on the clinical trials I’ve been involved with as well as the data I hear about from other clinical trials thinking about new and different medicines that we could use in the diagnosis of lung cancer. As well as applying some of the medicines we already have in different ways and different situations you know, to help better control the cancer or help even increase the cure rate in certain situations.  

So, I think there are a number of reasons to be hopeful and if you visit with your team of doctors and that you don’t get that sense of hope or you don’t hear about all the different ways that they can help you, you know that might be a time to really think about, “Perhaps I need to get a second opinion and hear about some of these developments or some these other ways that potentially I could be treated with my new diagnosis of lung cancer.”   

So, I think there are a lot of reasons to be hopeful. Lung cancer, of course, is still a serious life-changing diagnosis, but there are ways we can help regardless of what the stage is or where you’re at in life. I think there are opportunities for us to still help you. 

Katherine Banwell:

It sounds promising, Dr. Schenk. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. 

Dr. Erin Schenk:

Absolutely. Thank you for the invitation.  

Katherine Banwell:

And thank you to all of our partners. To learn more about lung cancer and to access tools to help you become a proactive patient visit powerfulpatients.org.  

I’m Katherine Banwell, thanks for being with us today.