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Expert Perspective | The Value of Empowering AML Patients and Care Partners

 

How can patients with AML and their care partners feel empowered? Dr. Eric Winer, an AML expert, discusses the crucial role of the healthcare team and emphasizes the importance of open communication, asking questions, and understanding the care plan. 

Dr. Eric S. Winer is Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Clinical Director of Adult Leukemia at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. Learn more about Dr. Winer.
 

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Advice for Managing Emotions Around AML

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Transcript: 

Katherine Banwell:

As a provider, Dr. Winer, how do you empower care partners and patients who have been diagnosed with AML? 

Dr. Eric Winer:

From a provider standpoint, one of the most important things we need to do is listen and try to understand, first of all, what the patient is going through, and what the patient needs. Like I said, that’s where this is a team approach. It’s a team approach from not just a standpoint of patient and caregiver, patient and physician, patient and nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant, patient and social worker. 

This is a traumatic experience, and there are things that we can try to do to make it less traumatic, but one of the best ways to make it less traumatic is making sure patients are informed, that patients understand plans, that patients understand what’s going to be happening. One of the biggest concerns with any of these diseases is the unknown. There is a certain amount of unknown that I can’t predict.  

I can’t say to somebody you will or will not respond, but what I can say is, listen, here is what we’re going to be doing over these next few weeks, and here is our short-term plan, and here is our long-term plan, and making sure that we’re all on the same roadmap.  

I think that’s really important in terms of empowering the patients. The other thing that is important is that the patients should feel comfortable asking questions, because we’re not expecting our patients to be experts in leukemia. We’re expecting our patients to be the patients. I think of us, in terms of the clinicians, as being sherpas. We’re guiding people through this process, but the reality is they’re doing all the work. We’re just the guides, and so it’s important as guides that we make sure all these questions are answered, all of the information is given to the patient, and that the patient asks for that information.  

The other thing that is important, that is a little overlooked, is taking care of the caregivers as well. It’s very difficult to be a patient, but it’s also difficult to take care of a loved one or a friend during this time. So, it’s important that the caregivers have an adequate understanding as well about what’s going on, and what we expect to be coming forward in the next days and weeks so that they can plan for these processes as well.  

Emerging AML Treatment Options | Inhibitor Therapies

 

What AML treatments in development are showing promise? Dr. Eric Winer, an AML expert and researcher, discusses emerging treatments and the importance of clinical trials, noting the shift toward more personalized, targeted therapies.   

Dr. Eric S. Winer is Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Clinical Director of Adult Leukemia at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. Learn more about Dr. Winer.

 
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Transcript: 

Katherine Banwell:

What can you tell the audience about menin inhibitors for AML? 

Dr. Eric Winer:

Menin inhibitors are a very exciting, novel agent that’s come about in the next few years. The science of that actually stemmed from one of the laboratories at Dana-Farber, a physician named Scott Armstrong. Menin inhibitors are particular small molecule agents that are given orally that prevent the proliferation of leukemia cells. 

And really, initially, as of a little while ago, we thought that it was two particular mutations, something called NPM1 and something called KMT2A.  

But maybe we’re thinking that there may be other mutations that actually are also affected by these menin inhibitors. What’s important now is there are three different menin inhibitors in clinical trials in different stages that are very close to being approved, and so this is going to add just another agent in our armamentarium in order to treat AML and treat it specifically.  

I think one of the important aspects of this is that these medications, although not approved right now, are really showing a lot of clinical benefit in clinical trials. And so, it really highlights the importance of thinking about clinical trials when being treated with these diseases because the patients that are on these trials right now, and that are doing well with these medications, if they’re not in a center that has a trial, or they choose not to go on the clinical trial, then they don’t have the opportunity to have these drugs, and they don’t have the opportunity to get that improvement. 

Katherine Banwell:

Is there other research in AML that you’re excited about? 

Dr. Eric Winer:

Yeah, there is a lot of different research going on in AML constantly. One of the important aspects of AML is that we’ve changed the way we think about the disease over the past, say, 10 years or so. Ten years ago, we really only focused on a couple of different genetic mutations and focused on chromosomal abnormalities.  

What we’ve done now is we’ve been able to fine-tune things a little bit deeper, not just to look at chromosomes, but also to look at the genes that are involved. When we think 15 years ago, maybe we looked at two genes that were involved in these mutations and these mutational analyses. Now, we’re running panels that are between 50 and 90 gene mutations.  

We can determine if there is a particularly actionable gene that we can go after to gain benefit gain better responses, and gain remissions. Over these past 10 years, we’ve had a number of different drugs approved that are what we call small molecule inhibitors. There are a number of different small molecule inhibitors targeting different mutations. For example, there is a particular mutation called FLT3. There have been three drugs that have been approved over the past eight years to target that particular mutation, midostaurin (Rydapt), gilteritinib (Xospata), and quizartinib (Vanflyta).  

These actually are very specific to that mutation, and all three of them have shown significant improvement when patients are treated with those inhibitors. Similarly, there’s a mutation called IDH1 and IDH2. There have been small molecule inhibitors, ivosidenib (Tibsovo), enasidenib (Idhifa), and olutasidenib (Rezlidhia), which basically are targeting those particular mutations.  

In targeting those mutations, you’re gaining improvement. You’re gaining a better response, but more so by targeting these mutations, you oftentimes are having less side effects than what you would see with what I call old-school, conventional chemotherapy.  

The landscape of leukemia is dramatically changing right now, and it’s been dramatically under a transformation over the past, say, seven, eight years, where we went from looking at high doses of chemotherapy that was like a nuclear bomb exploding all over the marrow and wiping everything out, to really creating more of a targeted approach to how we treat patients. Almost thinking of it more as a personalized medicine in a way. 

A lot of people come in thinking about chemotherapy as the chemotherapy that their grandmother went through, or that their friend went through in the 1970s or ‘80s. And it really is a very different world. So, I think with these progressions that we’ve made, and with these advances that we’ve made, leukemia, although it still is a very frightening prospect, it’s something that we’re really making large strides in improving, and that I expect to continue to improve over the years.

Distinguishing AML Symptoms and Side Effects | Why Communication Is Essential

 

How can patients determine if they are experiencing AML symptoms or side effects of treatment? AML expert Dr. Eric Winer underscores the importance of open communication with the healthcare team for timely, effective care, and better outcomes.  

Dr. Eric S. Winer is Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Clinical Director of Adult Leukemia at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. Learn more about Dr. Winer.
 

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Advice for Managing Emotions Around AML

Advice for Managing Emotions Around AML

Transcript: 

Katherine Banwell:

It may be difficult to distinguish disease symptoms from treatment side effects. What advice do you have for patients who are experiencing any issues that stem from their AML? Why is communication important? 

Dr. Eric Winer:

When I speak to my patients, I say to them, your job is to tell me everything that is going on. My and my team’s job is to figure out what’s important and what’s not because that’s what we’re trained to do. I think that brings up two aspects. One is the importance of openness and honesty, because we can’t treat a problem if we don’t know there is a problem. We have a plethora of drugs that we can use for different symptoms, but if we don’t know the symptoms, we can’t treat them. A perfect example is if somebody is nauseated, we can’t tell by looking at them if they’re nauseated.  

We can tell when they’re vomiting and at that point, it’s too late, but if we know ahead of time they’re nauseated, then we can actually give a number of different treatments. What I say is it’s not just telling me, it’s telling people on my team as well, because it’s important to have an entire team involved in the care. So, for example, at Dana-Farber, we don’t just have a doctor-patient relationship. We have a doctor. We have a nurse practitioner. We have a physician’s assistant. We have nursing staff. We have social workers, care coordinators. It’s really a gigantic team effort, all working to try to make the best outcome and best situation for the patients. 

Expert Advice | How to Elevate Your AML Care and Treatment

 
 
How can patients elevate their AML care and treatment? Dr. Eric Winer from Dana-Farber Cancer Institute emphasizes the importance of actively participating in the care journey, staying informed about treatment plans, and seeking a second opinion.
 
Dr. Eric S. Winer is Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Clinical Director of Adult Leukemia at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. Learn more about Dr. Winer.
 

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Transcript: 

Katherine Banwell:

This interview is part of PEN’s Elevate series, which encourages patients to take an active role in their care to improve outcomes. What advice do you have for AML patients who are seeking to elevate their care?  

Dr. Eric Winer:

I think it’s important for people to be an active participant in this care. While we recognize that not everyone has medical expertise when they are going through this, it’s important that they are informed that they would like to be informed. It’s important that they have a full understanding of what’s going on in terms of the treatment, the plan, the short-term plan, and the long-term plan. 

So, there is a lot of information that needed to be digested. What’s important to note is that it doesn’t all have to be digested at that very moment at the time of diagnosis. These are processes. What I tell people is that this is not going to be your only opportunity to talk and ask questions. This is something that we’re going to be going through and doing this journey together. So, I think it’s important that they become an active participant in that journey, not just with themselves but also with whoever their caregiver is, and whoever is important to them that’s going to be going through this journey as well. 

Katherine Banwell:

I understand that some AML cases require treatment shortly after diagnosis. Is there room for a second opinion, and if so, what are the benefits? 

Dr. Eric Winer:

So, there often is room for a second opinion. There are times, quite honestly, like you said, where patients have a really acute problem when they come in, along with the diagnosis, or that the diagnosis has gotten to a point where we need to initiate therapy as an inpatient, urgently. That is becoming less common. It used to be, when I started doing this, that if you had a diagnosis of AML you were admitted to the hospital, and you stayed there until you completed your first round of therapy. That is not the case now.  

Generally, what we’ve learned is that there are studies that show you can actually delay therapy for a period of time in order to make sure that other things are established. Getting a second opinion is very important, particularly as a tertiary care center where physicians specialize in these types of diseases. And so, I think it’s very important to get expert opinions, not just in terms of how to treat the disease but also diagnostically, and to make sure the correct tests are run, the correct molecular studies are run, in order to figure out exactly what would be the best treatment for your individual version of AML. 

AML Care Essentials | Health Literacy and Recommended Resources

 

How can patients learn about acute myeloid leukemia (AML)? Dr. Daniel Pollyea defines AML, how the condition develops, and highlights the importance of health literacy. Dr. Pollyea also recommends resources like the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society for learning about AML and shares key questions to ask your doctor.

Dr. Daniel Pollyea is Clinical Director of Leukemia Services in the Division of Medical Oncology, Hematologic Malignancies and Blood and Marrow Transplant at University of Colorado Cancer Center. Learn more about Dr. Pollyea.
 

 

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Transcript: 

Dr. Daniel Pollyea:

AML, acute myeloid leukemia, it’s a type of a cancer.  You can think of it as a cancer of the bone marrow, and it’s the likely result of several abnormalities, or sometimes I call them mistakes that can occur in stem cells or a stem cell in the bone marrow. And those mistakes that occur, most times, we don’t understand why they happen.

In most cases, they’re completely out of a person’s control. This isn’t something that comes on because it runs in a family in most cases, or because of something somebody did or didn’t do. These appear to be pretty random events that occur. But these mutations that occur in these sort of stem cells in the bone marrow cause a cell to become a cancer cell.  

And over a course of a variable amount of time, these can evolve and develop into this condition, AML. 

Katherine Banwell:

Okay, thank you for that. Health literacy, which is defined by the ability to find, understand, and use information for health-related decisions, is essential. Would you expand on the term “health literacy” and why it’s important to accessing quality AML care? 

Dr. Daniel Pollyea:

Yeah. So, I think health literacy in our field is a challenge, because these are acute conditions that come on oftentimes very quickly. And these are not diseases that are top of mind. Most people don’t know somebody who’s had this. They’re not common; only about 30,000 people every year in the United States will have AML. So, it’s very hard to have any sort of background in this.  

And for most patients because of the pace at which this disease occurs, it can be very difficult to sort of read up on it before meeting with a provider or an expert or a specialist. So, there’s a lot of challenges or barriers to health literacy. But like anything, the more a person knows, the more sort of empowered they can be, the more ability they have to ask questions and seek care at sort of the optimal place.  

What I find often is that health literacy is best harnessed by a patient’s team; so, in other words, their support system, their family and friends. Because it’s so much to deal with in such rapid succession, to get this diagnosis and to usually be feeling very poorly. To also be expected to sort of have read the most relevant literature and come armed with that information is often too much at the beginning.  

So, in the beginning, I think it’s best to leave that to your support system, and then as time goes on and as you start treatment, get comfortable, health literacy in our field, it becomes a more prevalent issue. And I think that when patients learn the most about how the field has evolved and where we are, the better that they can potentially do. 

Katherine Banwell:

Well, that leads us perfectly into my next question. What resources do you suggest for boosting knowledge about AML? 

Dr. Daniel Pollyea:

AML is like so many fields in medicine, but probably more so, moving so quickly that sort of the usual Google search is not going to, in most cases, bring up the most important, the most relevant information.  

So, I think that there are some organizations out there that do a really good job of educating patients. The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society is one. They have a good website.  

They have people you can contact, and they have really good information that’s available to patients and their families. That’s where I typically recommend people start. And then from there, based on our interest in education level and things like that, there can be other resources. But I think The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society’s a great place to start. 

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. Newly diagnosed patients and their care partners are often overwhelmed, as you mentioned earlier. What advice do you give them at their first appointment? 

Dr. Daniel Pollyea:

Right. So, this is a huge challenge. Anybody in the situation would be feeling like this. So, first of all, it’s sort of like, it’s okay to feel like this. It’s normal. 

It would be unnatural to not be overwhelmed with what you’re going through; that’s an important message. And then, I think there’s this period of time between diagnosis and a plan that is particularly anxiety-provoking. And so, as your doctor and their team sort of sorts through the necessary information to get a plan together, just know that that this a very anxiety-provoking time when you’re being told that you have a really significant and serious disease, and we don’t have a plan yet.

So, making sure that you sort of comfort yourself during that period, knowing that that his temporary and that is potentially the worst anxiety you will feel, I think, can be helpful. And then, from there once the plan is sort of in place and enacting it, it really is just focusing on short-term goals.  

So, instead of thinking three steps ahead and how’s the transplant going to work, in the early days, focusing on “Okay, how am I going to get into a remission?” and “How am I going to feel day-to-day? How can I feel as best I can day-to-day? What’s the best path to a remission?” And then, once you sort of meet the goal of remission, “Okay, what’s next? How are we going to cure this?” So, thinking through sort of in short bites, I think, is best. 

Katherine Banwell:

Are there other key questions that they should be asking their doctor or their healthcare team? 

Dr. Daniel Pollyea:

Yeah. Depending on the situation, this is a disease that can be cured; and so, from the first day, asking “Is that a possibility for me? Is there a curative plan for me, and what might that look like?” I think is an important question to ask from the beginning.  

Making sure you communicate your goals and your wishes, how you define quality of life, what that means to you. And in that way, that can really help inform your doctor and their team to put together a plan that sort of is most customized to you.  

What Are Key Acute Myeloid Leukemia Care Barriers and Solutions?

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What are key barriers and solutions to acute myeloid leukemia (AML) care? Expert Dr. Andrew Hantel from Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard Medical School discusses factors that create AML care barriers, solutions to overcome barriers, and proactive patient advice to help ensure optimal care.

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“…patients and their families to be aware of where any specialized care facilities are near them, it might not be even so much geographically near as like within the same 10 miles, but it might be like, ‘What’s the nearest large facility that maybe is known for having clinical trials or other medical research?’ And just to reach out to them and ask, ‘Do you have telehealth consultations? What would it mean for me to come to you?’…and then talk to the actual physician who’s caring for them and say, ‘Is it safe for me to wait to talk to them, is it something where I do therapy now, and I should maybe go talk to them after I’ve received my initial therapy and have that discussion?’”

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Transcript: 

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Hantel, what are some of the key barriers that patients with AML encounter when accessing timely and effective care, and how can healthcare systems work to address these challenges?

Dr. Andrew Hantel:

That’s a great question. People with AML face significant barriers in accessing care, primarily due to the complexity and intensity of the treatment options that we have available. The landscape of those treatment options is really much different than it was even 10 years ago. We’ve had more than 10 novel drug approvals and extensions of treatments that are effective into groups such as older adults who have really previously had few good options and now have potentially many, and this has led to differences in what some of us call diffusion of innovation or how treatments are taken up and used by the medical community.

We kind of have some people who are usually at academic centers and are early adopters because they’ve seen some of these newer drugs and participate in the global trials, and then we have other community docs who see a lot of people with a variety of different cancers and kind of keep up with the literature, but to some extent aren’t as familiar with those new drugs and take some time before they start to incorporate them into practice.

And it is really important because in AML is not a disease that’s so common, so every oncologist sees patients with AML very frequently, and that kind of creates a difference between patients, people who are specialists, who are at the larger academic centers and people who are on the community and their need to really work together.

And this is a big point because treatments generally need to occur within a few weeks of diagnosis, if not much sooner, and therefore, all together this idea of new treatments kind of expanding out into the universe and also having the need for quick treatment means that geography really plays a crucial role in acting as a barrier to some patients getting what we think of as optimal care, especially for patients who live in rural or underserved areas that might not have access to these larger medical centers with specialized physicians, and then we also have financial challenges for those same patients and that getting into places is a major barrier, insurance to get to those places may have additional burdens that are placed in people with high costs that are associated with some of these treatments and healthcare systems have begun to address some of these challenges.

By really trying to enhance some local capacities such as through telemedicine consultations, kind of working in what we consider like a hub and spoke system where they have local providers reaching out to them and patients coming to them, at the time point of treatment decisions and then going back locally for a lot of their care, just so it’s not as burdensome in terms of travel, and then there’s also a lot of programs that are both within medical systems and outside of medical systems that are being helpful for patients, for financial guidance and assistance, such as through Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, which has wonderful programs, as well as kind of identifying partners for travel and housing grants and stipends that might be needed for caregivers, a lot of.

As I said, in a lot of centers like ours who are really trying to use any means possible to overcome these barriers for different patient groups, and a lot of it really depends on exactly what the person’s situation is, because so much of leukemia care is about the values of the patient and really how we’re targeting treatment, not only toward their disease, but really aligns with their goals, and so overcoming barriers is a really personal thing based on the values and the goals of the person who is in front of you.

Lisa Hatfield:

Great, thank you. And then one follow-up question I did have to that, as you mentioned that some patients are seen by their community oncologist, is it possible for a patient who is diagnosed with AML to do maybe one consult via telemedicine with a specialist in AML and maybe coordinate care that way, or do specialists typically like to have those patients present for regular visits?

Dr. Andrew Hantel:

Yeah, so I think the landscape of this is shifting in the past, I think no matter what, we have the idea that patients need to be safe, especially in the early days of their diagnosis, so it might be the case that somebody’s leukemia is diagnosed and they need treatment, it started immediately, and it’s not safe for them to wait, and it’s not safe for them to travel. But definitely there are other people who see their doctor and their blood counts are relatively stable, and the doctor thinks that it’s reasonable for them to get a second opinion, and these days, those opinions are happening yet still in person, sometimes centers like to see people in person.

But other times, as we said, those travel and distance and burdens can be so much that patients and these centers are turning to telehealth and other virtual forms of care that can at least provide a preliminary consultation and say, if you were to be seen here, we may have additional options like clinical trials or from what I’ve seen, I agree with what your physician is offering you and those more higher level decisions. And so it’s not so much whether or not even telehealth versus nothing, it’s kind of telehealth in person versus the need to get care immediately.

Lisa Hatfield:

Okay, that’s super helpful, thank you. And do you have an activation tip for this question, Dr. Hantel?

Dr. Andrew Hantel:

Yeah, I think the first thing is essentially just for patients and their families to be aware of where any specialized care facilities are near them, it might not be even so much geographically near as like within the same 10 miles, but it might be like, “What’s the nearest large facility that maybe is known for having clinical trials or other medical research?” And just to reach out to them and ask, “Do you have telehealth consultations? What would it mean for me to come to you?”

Those kinds of things, and then talk to the actual physician who’s caring for them and say, “Is it safe for me to wait to talk to them, is it something where I do therapy now, and I should maybe go talk to them after I’ve received my initial therapy and have that discussion?” And I think that leads into my kind of second or ancillary tip is to really don’t be afraid to ask your care teams about both of those things, and then about the logistics of what any of your care is going to mean in terms of the burdens of getting back and forth to clinic, having to be in the hospital and both for you as a patient as well as for your family.

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How Is AML Care Impacted by Bone Marrow Biopsy Results? 

How Is AML Care Impacted by Bone Marrow Biopsy Results? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

What is the impact of bone marrow biopsy results on AML care? Expert Dr. Sara Taveras Alam from UTHealth Houston shares how test results are weighed along with patient factors to set a treatment plan and discusses additional patient monitoring, relapse, and how treatment journeys may vary.

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Transcript: 

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Taveras, how does the information gathered from a bone marrow biopsy influence treatment decisions for AML care?

Dr. Sara Taveras Alam:

The information gathered from bone marrow biopsies is crucial to decide on the optimal treatment for our patients. We do take into consideration patient factors such as age, comorbidities, and fitness to decide on the treatment that the patient benefits from; however, they are leukemia specific factors, mainly the driving forces behind that leukemia and mutations that may prompt us to use one treatment or another,  so that initial diagnostic bone marrow biopsy is crucial to get the patient started on a treatment course, and then typically, three to four weeks after starting treatment, patients would require what is called a post-induction bone marrow biopsy, so that we can assess the response to treatment, so at that second biopsy, what we’re hoping to see is a patient in a remission, whereas the initial biopsy for an AML patient may have had more than 20 percent blasts or immature cancer cells of AML. 

Our goal is that at this end of induction, three to four weeks after starting chemo, the bone marrow shows less than 5 percent blasts, and then we would call that a morphologic remission. In addition, we would be obtaining the chromosome analysis and mutation testing again on those marrows after treatment, because we would love to achieve the highest response possible where we not only eliminate the bad cells, but we are eliminating the driving forces of these bad cells.

So in an ideal situation where our induction treatment does lead into a remission, AML patients still need to undergo what we call consolidation chemotherapy to maintain a remission. Unfortunately, we know that if we stop treatment, our patients with AML will relapse, and the maintenance treatments depending on the regimen, we may have a stop day at four months or six months, depending on the regimen used, and at different time points during the treatment, a bone marrow biopsy may be repeated.

I think the most crucial time for bone marrow biopsies are at the diagnosis and after induction, if we have achieved our goal to achieve remission, then the bone marrow biopsy may be repeated monthly, depending on the institution that the patient is going to.

However, that part is negotiable depending on the patient’s goals and wishes. If the patient were planned for a stem cell transplant because of the characteristics of their leukemia…if it’s a more aggressive type of acute myeloid leukemia, what we call intermediate or poor risk acute myeloid leukemia, a stem cell transplant is recommended, and before proceeding with a stem cell transplant, we must confirm that the patient continues to be in a remission, so that’s another crucial time point to repeat the bone marrow biopsy in addition to the beginning of induction, so they’re getting a diagnosis and the end of that first induction treatment.

The time points between those two are kind of negotiable, especially in patients that have a lot of trouble with the biopsies, but may be very beneficial to confirm that we are keeping the patient into remission and carry the prognosis of the patient.

Of course, if there’s any concern that there’s a relapse, that would be another reason to repeat a bone marrow biopsy, and while confirmed that there has been a relapse and see what characteristics of the AML has changed, and what treatment would be appropriate at that time frame. Once a patient has been in remission, completed their maintenance treatment potentially received a stem cell transplant if it was appropriate for them, usually patients are surveillance clinic followed up, and a bone marrow biopsy is advisable for their first few years, about every three months to confirm that we’re maintaining a remission and that no further action is needed.

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Stem Cell Transplant for AML | What Patients Should Know

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Janet wants to know what factors enable a patient to achieve and continue in remission if they are not able to achieve stem cell transplant due to age restrictions.  

Dr. Alice Mims:

So, I think first and foremost, I think it’s very important that there — that patients are aware that there shouldn’t be just strict, stringent cutoffs of age as a requirement for stem cell transplant.  

 And really, there’s a lot of research going on that we should take into account. Physiological age, and there are ways to measure that just to be sure that stem cell transplant really is not an option. And for patients who stem cell transplant is not an option, I think as we talked about earlier, so there can still be really great treatments that can get patients into remission and ongoing therapies with dosing adjustments again to decrease toxicity and improve quality of life and thinking about things like maintenance therapy as appropriate. 

Katherine Banwell:

What are the age restrictions, and why are they there? 

Dr. Alice Mims:

So, sometimes you will hear age 75. Really, no one above age 75 should move forward with transplant. And that’s based off of past data where they’ve explored transplant and seen increased toxicity. And from transplant in itself, increased side effects, increased risk of early mortality. And so, I do think it’s important to take the patient as a whole into consideration because again, you could have someone who’s 77 who may be running marathons, and in great shape, and not a lot of other healthcare issues, who may still do really well with treatment. And so, I think that’s – really needs to be taken in account, really the overall picture of health for the patient before making…  

Katherine Banwell:

So, the… 

Dr. Alice Mims:

…just a firm cutoff. 

Katherine Banwell:

Right. Okay. So, it’s not cut and dry. 

Dr. Alice Mims:

Exactly.  

Katherine Banwell:

If you’re 75 or older, then you definitely can’t have stem cell transplant. 

Dr. Alice Mims:

That’s correct. 

Katherine Banwell:

Then you’re looking at everyone individually. 

Dr. Alice Mims:

Yeah. So, it really should be looked at. And I still have some patients who will come to me and say, “Oh, I was told I’m 68 years old, I’m not a candidate.” And that always makes me take a step back. And then we kind of have to have that discussion again. And they may still not be a good candidate based off of other comorbidities or healthcare issues, but it shouldn’t just be a number rules you out for having that as an option. 

Katherine Banwell:

Good to know. We received this question from Carl, “What does treatment look like following transplant? And what are doctors looking for when monitoring through blood tests?”  

Dr. Alice Mims:

Sure. So, after transplant, the first three months is pretty intensive of being seen very frequently at your transplant center twice to once a week. You’re also on immunosuppressive medications to try to help prevent issues like graft-versus-host disease, which can be a complication from transplant. 

And then over time if you’re doing well, we try to start tapering off those immunosuppressive regimens to see if you can tolerate that. And what I say to most of my patients for – who are undergoing transplant, it can take some time to really feel back to being yourself. It can take six months, it can take a year or longer. And sometimes your normal is a new normal based off of how you do and the side effects of the transplant in itself. So, you may not go back to if you’re here before transplant and before your diagnosis, it may be that this is your new normal. Just so people can be prepared and know what they’re signing up for.  

Katherine Banwell:

And with the blood testing, what are you looking for when you’re monitoring a patient? 

Dr. Alice Mims:

Sure. There are a few different things that we’re looking for when monitoring patients. So, one, making sure that the stem cells or the graft from the donor are recovering. 

You want to see that blood counts, levels of white blood cells, red blood cells, platelets are getting to normal levels. You’re also assessing and making sure you’re not seeing signs of relapse. You’re checking levels of donor cells versus the patient cells within the stem cell — sorry, within the stem cell compartments. And so, we’re taking all of those into account as well as checking organ function and making sure there’s no signs of potential graft-versus-host disease as well.  

Katherine Banwell:

Ryan wants to know, “I’m a year-and-a-half post-transplant, how can you tell if the aches and pains in your joints are normal aging, host versusgraft disease, the AML returning, or even something else?” 

Dr. Alice Mims:

So, I think that’s also a difficult question to answer, because it really is patient-dependent. And so, I think if you’re having new joint aches or pains, it’s always important to reach out to your transplant team to make sure that – it could be any of the above. 

And so you’re doing the appropriate workup with lab work, imaging, things that would be appropriate, or seeing certain specialists. Maybe orthopedist if needed because it could be I’d say less likely leukemic relapse, but still want to be sure. But it could be definitely complications from GVHD, or there are some joint issues that can evolve post-transplant, especially for people who are on long-term immunosuppressant medications. Or it could be the normal effects of aging. So, it’s always good to have that reassurance.  

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PODCAST: Expert Advice for Navigating AML Treatment and Care Decisions



 

AML expert Dr. Ann-Kathrin Eisfeld reviews the importance of essential testing and explains how the results may impact the care and treatment of patients with AML. Dr. Eisfeld also shares updates on new and developing AML research.

Dr. Ann-Kathrin Eisfeld is Director of the Clara D. Bloomfield Center for Leukemia Outcomes Research at The Ohio State University and a member of the Leukemia Research Program at the OSUCCC – James. Learn more about Dr. Eisfeld.

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Katherine Banwell:

Hello and welcome. I’m Katherine Banwell, your host for today’s webinar. Today’s program is a part of our Insist series. We’ll discuss how to access the most personalized AML therapy for your individual disease and why it’s vital to insist on key testing. Before we meet our guest, let’s review a few important details 

The reminder email you received about this program contains a link to a program resource guide. If you haven’t already, click that link to access information to follow along during the webinar. Before we get into the discussion, please remember that this program is not a substitute for seeking medical advice. Please refer to your healthcare team about what might be best for you. Well, let’s meet our guest today. Joining me is Dr. Ann-Kathrin Eisfeld. Dr. Eisfeld, welcome. Would you please introduce yourself?  

Dr. Eisfeld:

Hi, thank you so much, Kathrine. Yes. My name is Ann-Kathrin Eisfeld. I’m currently an assistant professor and hematologist at the Ohio State University. 

And I’m also serving as the director of the Clara D. Bloomfield Center for leukemia outcomes research at the James. 

Katherine Banwell:

Thank you so much for joining us today and taking the time to discuss this important issue. To set the stage for today’s discussion, Let’s start with this important question. How would you define personalized medicine as it relates to AML care? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

I define personalized medicine in AML as have a complete testing at time of diagnosis that consists of not only the morphology of the bone marrow, but we call immunophenotyping, which is looking at the surface markers, but also full review of all the chromosomes, which is called cytogenetics. And with those metaphase testing, I’m looking really at all of them and at the hot spots, which is done by a technique called FISH 

And then most importantly, for personalized testing, it also needs to consist of testing the most common, recurrent gene mutations. Changes in the tumor DNA that we know are contributing to the disease biology and also to the response of the leukemia to different genes.   

Katherine Banwell:

Thank you for that, Dr. Eisfield. That helps guide us as we begin our conversation.  

I imagine that personalizing therapy for a patient requires a number of tests and then thorough review of the test results. Could you provide an overview of the tests necessary to help understand a patient’s specific AML? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

Yes. Absolutely. There are multiple things that go in. And let me –even before we go into the tests – point out one thing. Because as we talk about individualized care – and it is also important to keep in mind that it will be also dependent on the age and of the performance status of the patient. 

Because we know that all the changes that are going to be reviewed might be more or less severe depending on really the age of the patient we are discussing. The most critical aspect for every AML patient is a bone marrow biopsy and a bone marrow aspirate on which the testing that I have been referring to are performed.  

One, it gives us information about how the – after review of the hematologist, it gives us information about the specific kind of the leukemic cell.  

And very importantly – and this is a very more recent development that we know about that’s important. It also tells us whether the acute leukemia is really happening as an acute leukemia or whether the patient without knowing it before might have had a precursor issue. And this is something that by now really in just about half a year we can use in addition to direct treatment.  

So, it seems like an ancient thing that we think that the microscopic review is important. But that is one part of it.  

The second part – and this is, again, all based on the bone marrow biopsy. The inspection of chromosomes, as I mentioned, may be called cytogenetics. This test takes longer. It sometimes takes up to two weeks to result. And similar, looking at the tumor DNAs and mutations that is done either if you’re at a large institution such as Ohio State or other cancer centers. It’s done in house. Whereas at smaller institutions, it would be done by a sent-out testing that has these recommended gene mutation testings done. And some of those result just within a couple of days.   

And these are – but we can talk. And I know we are going to talk a little bit more about it later, but we now have targeted therapies available. This is a really super exciting topic we couldn’t have talked about just even five years ago. And those mutations and those DNA changes come back usually within three to five days.  

So, that we are able to decide on treatment. 

Katherine Banwell:

How can someone ensure they’re getting an accurate diagnosis? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

That’s a very good question. I think the most important part is to go to somebody who has seen acute leukemias as a living. It is a very rare cancer as you know. And if you are seen even by a general oncologist who might be a fantastic oncologist, he might just see one or two cases per year. And thus, might not be up-to-date on the newest recommendations. So, I can just advise anybody – even if he lives further away and trusts his physician a lot – to – for the diagnosis and for treatment planning, come to a comprehensive cancer center, at least for a therapy planning. Because what is now possible is many of these treatments is that we can just give advice.   

And then you can still receive treatment in some cases really back at home. But be sure the testing was done correctly. And really give you every option to take into consideration what the best treatment would be for you, what the best treatment is for the patient. Having this trip – which can be hours of a drive. And I appreciate this. Having that done once would be, I think, the best thing to do.  

Katherine Banwell:

Many cancer types are typically staged. But that’s not the case with AML. AML is often considered low risk or high risk. Is that right? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

Yes. And we – I think that’s very well how you put it. And we can even – they even add an intermediate risk by now to it. And I love this question because that’s what I like to study or what I’m studying here. The one important thing to keep in mind – and this is something even many hematologists don’t think about is that the risk assignment of acute leukemia, of AML if you think about it as low, or high, or intermediate risk is risk – or is actually better said not risk, but chances to respond to conventional chemotherapy. So, the way all this was defined is that if you have, for example, a multitude of chromosomal abnormalities – as you call it complex karyotypes – it would be considered adverse. This means your chances of responding to the standard of care in terms of chemotherapy are very, very low.   

And similarly, if you have other changes such as a NPM1 mutation, your chances are considered very high. And but – so, the risk assignment with the increase of treatments now changes. We still also – and when I look at that, I think about it in the same way. But in my mind, if I’m talking to a patient, I’m trying to make sure to say, this is considered an intermediate or adverse risk.  

But this means that I would not, at the first place, consider you for a standard chemotherapy but rather advise you to participate in a clinical trial or have an alternative care. The second implication especially for younger patients would be to – if you’re intermediate or adverse risk, that you would routinely be considered for bone marrow transplant or stem cell transplant.       

Katherine Banwell:

Okay. So, what does it mean to be high risk then?  

Dr. Eisfeld:

It means that your likelihood of going into remission – the standard of care is very low. This means – I mean, in very practical numbers, it might be as low as 20 or 30 percent. This meaning getting the leukemia into remission, there are very important differences. The first step at every time in the same high risk means if the patient receives the treatment, how high are the chances that we can get rid of the leukemia? 

The second question is how high are the chances once it’s gone that it stays away? Or how high are the chances of relapse? In adverse risk most cases, it’s both – a combination of those. The chances of going into complete remission are lower and the chances of it coming back are higher. So, we have to be very aggressive. This means that we have to consider alternative treatment options. And even if we are then lucky and achieve remission, that we might have to move to more intensive additional treatments such as a bone marrow transplant.    

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Eisfeld, the landscape of AML has changed significantly in recent years. How have advances in testing improved patient care?  

Dr. Eisfeld:

It is a different world, Katherine, honestly. I mean, I started practicing in hematology in taking care of AML patients back in Germany actually in the year 2007. 

Back then, there was no other testing that was available. All we were guiding and all that we had available was morphology and cytogenetics. And very often, it was very inaccurate. And we also only had two treatment kinds available. One was intensive chemotherapy, and one was something that was just a little bit better than best supportive care. So, many patients could not receive treatment. And the increase in knowledge that we have on a molecular level in AML really did two things at once.  On one, we understood we had a more fine tuned understanding on which patients would respond. And the second thing is that this knowledge about the molecular landscape enabled us to have new treatments available that are sometimes in pill form that can target specific mutations in patients who carry these genetic changes.   

Katherine Banwell:

Should all AML patients undergo in-depth testing like biomarker testing or cytogenetics? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

Yes. Every patient should do that. It can make the difference between life and death. And it can make the difference between receiving – having a hospital stay of four weeks with intensive chemotherapy versus taking the pill at home. This is very rare that this is possible. But it is possible. And of course, you – one would not want to miss this chance if it would be possible.   

Katherine Banwell:

With all the new tools that are available, what other factors do you consider when working with an AML patient to choose a treatment approach for them? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

The most important aspects are what we call – and this is – I’m glad that you bring this question up because I feel you have to think of – and that was what we’ve been talking about – called disease-associated factors. This is everything in the leukemic cell. They – how does a leukemia looks like? How does the blast look like? What changes are there?  

That’s the biggest part of what I would call patient-associated factors: the patient age, the patient performance status, actually the patient. In every – because I think, sometimes, we forget about it. But we just look at all the molecular testing.  

But even if – for example, there would be a patient with a very good risk leukemia, where I think, “Oh, this leukemia should respond very well to an intensive chemotherapy.” 

If the patient cannot tolerate chemotherapy or – and I see it more often than I would wish for patients who are young who have a great performance status, but they just cannot – they – their family reasons. Small children sometimes – they just cannot be away for so long. This all comes into consideration. So, it’s really important because we all work together as a team. And the right treatment for the leukemia might not be the right treatment for the patient.   

And for most cases, however, I think, it will only work if one stands with a whole heart with those physicians, and patients, and family. Because it’s a long journey behind the care that’s being given. And so, this is a joint decision-making, and there are different options that can be done. Of course, I would not advise something where I would think there are no chances of success.  

And so, this has to be an open discussion. But this is – it’s very often a very tough treatment to communicate that and see what are the goals of each patient? That will be most important for treatment and decision-making.     

Kathrine Banwell:

Dr. Eisfeld, we’ve been discussing treatment choices and how they vary for individual patients. What types of AML treatment classes are currently available? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

This is a very good question. The most classic treatment class is intensive chemotherapy. This is just because people might have heard the names. It is called 3 + 7 or 7 + 3, which refers to one weeklong impatient chemotherapy treatment. But you get one chemotherapy for seven days. And the first three days, you get a second treatment as well.  

That’s why it’s called three in seven in here, but it’s a total of seven days. So, we have intensive chemotherapy. And there are different flavors of it. But this is usually the backbone. The second class is what I would call a targeted inhibitor. And here we can look at two different aspects. We have target inhibitors for a specific DNA mutation that are found. And specifically, one are called IDH or FLT3 mutations.  

And these are pill forms that I usually by now combined with a third drop class which is called hypomethylating agents. And I will go through in a moment.  

But these are pills that really only work in patients and carry that genetic change. They have very, very low toxicity and very high chances of working. So, that’s why this testing is so important to see if one is one of the 15 percent of AML patients carrying an IDH mutation – 15 percent isn’t low. And a similar rate carries a FLT3 mutation.  

And then there is also going to target inhibitors. That is targeted because it is against what I would call a pathway. The gene that is commonly activated in acute leukemia – and this is called BCL-2 and the drug is called venetoclax (Venclexta).  

This is now stormed through the acute myeloid leukemia world in just a few years ago and has been approved as a front-line treatment option for several patients, especially for those who are older. And we know that even patients who respond usually favorably to chemotherapy, some of those also respond well to venetoclax the Bcl-2 inhibitor. The benefit is that this treatment in many cases if it works, can be done as an outpatient in here and has very often lower complications.  

It is actually has so good results that I – sometimes it seems too easy. So, we actually advise patients to still try to get – the first time they get the treatment, do it at a center where it’s done more commonly. Because it sometimes – don’t underestimated the power of a pill. And it’s still a very, very powerful drug. So, doing it in a controlled setting – because if cancer cells break down, they break down and can create all sorts of trouble.  

So, that is really something – for several leukemias, it can be concerning. And again, now the treatment group would be called hypomethylating agents. The names are azacitidine (Vidaza) and decitabine (Dacogen). And they act in a very different way. They try to change the epigenetics like methylation patterns. And often, if it is an untargeted way of the tumor cells and they can be used alone.  

Or very often by now in combination with the targeted inhibitors that I was just mentioning. These are infusions that can be done either over five, seven, or 10 days depending on the combination treatment. And for patients, as I mentioned before, that don’t respond well to many other options to those patients with a complex karyotype. This is, for example, a scenario where patients can just receive this as their only therapy.          

Katherine Banwell:

What about stem cell transplant? You didn’t mention that.  

Dr. Eisfeld:

Yes. That would be the next one. So, stem cell transplant always comes as an option, which I would call as a maintenance therapy. Again, two aspects. We have two different end goals.  

First is get rid of some leukemia. Second is to make sure it stays away. And as soon as the leukemia is in complete remission, depending on the performance status – the agent. Again, in multiple different things. It’s not an easy decision. 

At that time, there has to be a conversation. And that always involves a leukemia physician and a transplant physician very often. These are different providers that goes for the risks and benefits. Where the question is if I only continue to do chemotherapy – because it’s never only once. You would always have to repeat your chemotherapy. What is the likelihood that the leukemia comes back, and does it outweigh the risks that comes with the stem cell or bone marrow transplant that comes in here. But for many leukemias, especially for young patients and for patients with higher risks, this is the only chance of a cure. That is the most curative and only curative attempt for many leukemia attempts.  

Katherine Banwell:

Where do clinical trials fit into the treatment plan? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

That is the absolute backbone. We always have to think about that. 

Everything – all the treatment options that I mentioned – have been clinical trials, just very, very short time – very few years ago. So, every patient that comes to a leukemia or a cancer center, clinical trials will be discussed if they’re available. Because they will provide a special opportunity to have even more fine-tuned treatments – either newer agents. And I think what is very important to mention is that all clinical trials that are available would give the option of the best standard of care. And then the hope that a patient wouldn’t be getting any of the best standard of care options that are approved. The hope is that the new agent or added agent in many cases would even do better.  

It’s also important that there’s a lot of additional monitoring during the trial. I think it can be seen in two ways as two parts of a coin. In one way, it may be additional visits to the hospital or additional blood draws that are necessary to be sure that the medications are safe, and that researchers and conditions can learn about it. But on the other hand, it also gives you this extra bit of being looked after and really getting checked in and out, making sure that all organs are functioning that everything is just going fine. And many patients appreciate this a lot. And they have this pair of extra eyes on them all the time.  

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Eisfeld, what therapies are available for AML patients who relapse or don’t respond to initial therapy? And is this treatment approach different from those who are newly diagnosed?   

Dr. Eisfeld:

Most of the time, the treatments available at relapse are the same available at the first diagnosis. Just because we know now that, for example, if you have a molecular marker that, for example, is available, it would act with also relatively high chance of relapse upset. However, at relapse, the most important thing I personally would do is consider a clinical trial even stronger than in the first mindset. 

Because it means that the leukemia outsmarted current treatments very often. So, usually what we would be doing is see if there is a targeted inhibitor or a cell mutation FLT3 or IDH, which I would personally always prefer to go in MLL rearrangement now for the new menin inhibitors where one would go with the same option as if it would have been their diagnosis. But if not to really consider clinical trials is a strong urge. 

Katherine Banwell:

Should patients or should relapse patients undergo genetic testing again? Is it necessary?  

Dr. Eisfeld:

Yes. At any time. Yes. Because we know that the leukemia changes. And you just can think about it in the way is that the cells that are surviving treatment, they’ve become smart. There was so much poison. There was so much treatment put on them. 

And the ones that survive might have a quiet additional chromosome change as additional gene changes. And even if a genetic change has not been present at time of diagnosis, the reason the cell has survived might have been that it has now one of these changes that came up on a later time during treatment or while the cell is hiding somewhere to come back.  

Katherine Banwell:

Are there therapies in development that are showing promise for patients with AML? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

There are so many of those. It’s hard to count. And this makes me very happy. There are exciting and again, targeted drugs.  

Once drug class is called menin inhibitors, which we – which were just published that show high promise.  

And again, very difficult to treat several groups of patients who harbor chromosome changes in MLL genes in here. So, that is a very exciting option.  

And there’s very exciting treatments with respect to what you call antibodies – monoclonal antibodies that protects the surface proteins that are being checked regularly. And one of those, for example, is called magrolimab. And that has even promise in these high-risk leukemias or adverse risk leukemias.  

And then we are not there yet, but I’m sure we will be in the not too near future. There are also multiple trials that are looking at what we call CAR-T cells. But patients might have heard about for lymphomas or acute lymphoblastic leukemias. AML is a little more tricky with respect to those. 

But we’ve seen pre-clinical studies that look really exciting. And I think it’s just going to be just a little more fine-tuning to make those easier, available, and more targeted for AML patients. And I’m very much looking forward to seeing those come more onto the market.      

Katherine Banwell:

You mentioned the new menin inhibitors. Who are they right for?   

Dr. Eisfeld:

We try to find out more, but definitely for patients that have been shown to be beneficial for patients who have chromosomal and rearrangements of the MLL gene or KMT2A gene. And there’s also good data on patients who have NPM1 mutations.  

Even though we know – and these are mutations who harbor this kind of genetic change – have now a plethora, which is a great, of treatment options.

Because we know even conventional chemotherapy has been working decently well in them. We know that venetoclax also is supposed to work very well in them. But again, the data on the menin inhibitor with respect to NPM1 mutations is very exciting. 

Katherine Banwell:

So, Dr. Eisfeld, we’ve covered a lot of information related to AML care. As a researcher, what other topics are currently top of mind for you in the field of AML? What are you passionate about? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

Again, so many parts. I think there are probably three main things that I’d like to name. And I think about it as a little bit outside the box. Most of what we know about AML, we have become so much better. It’s because we have been studying patients who were treated over the past decades on clinical trials and very often here in the U.S. or in Europe.  

 But all clinical trials have a bias in that most of them have been done A) on patients who are younger than the age of 60. And B) fewer patients of other races and ethnicities included. And had patients not included that have AML, for example, not only in the bone marrow but on extramedullary sites – how we call it – up to 10 percent of their patients. And also, very often have not been done on very old patients where the AML is very common. So, all the patients – patients from other race, ethnicities, or underrepresented minorities, and patients who present with extramedullary disease are currently in my – underserved.  

And these are exciting areas and opportunities of research and of active clinical practice. Because those are the patients we need to include if it’s possible now to include them in clinical trials. 

If there are no trials available, then make sure any other additional molecular testing it done to understand them better and to advance our disease knowledge that we make sure that we can give the best possible care.  

Katherine Banwell:

I think that the most important part is to get the molecular testing, and to enroll into clinical trials, and then to very often biobanking 

Why am I saying that is because our knowledge AML comes from patients who donated some tissue so that we could learn – researchers decades ago could learn about the genes. We know that leukemias differ so much in between patients.  

So, I am worried that we are yet missing out on potentially important genes that need to be discovered and where we could develop docs for. This will only be possible with these additional testing. 

 The second part is to really consider going to larger treatment and larger treatment cancer center. And there are support systems in case that can help in here.  

And the third part is to get involved even as early as possible even if you’re not personally affected, with Be The Match – with bone marrow transplant because there’s a paucity of donors, of people of color that makes it harder for these patients to get a potentially curative treatment in here.  

We have other options now in bone marrow transplant where one can use only half-matching donors and or other availabilities. But again, that doesn’t outweigh that the bone marrow and donor registry that we need to get better at.  

And I can – there are just so many factors – such a high degree of structural racism that affects people from every corner. And I think we as physicians, as society, and everybody need to acknowledge that. And we have to make sure that we get better to, again, give every patient the best care and keep the patient in mind and see what’s right for them at the right moment.    

Katherine Banwell:

Where can patients or people who are interested find out about being a donor? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

There is the website called “Be the Match” that one can put in. This is probably the best way to get first information.   

And usually, at all the cancer sites. And sometimes, there is information at lab donation places, universities, either or the American Red Cross.  

Usually those places have information laid out there as well.    

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Eisfeld, before we close, I’d like to get your thoughts on where we stand with progress in the field of AML. What would you like to leave the audience with? Are you hopeful? 

Dr. Eisfeld:

I am incredibly hopeful. I hope – when I started working in hematology, as I said at that time, it was just about when imatinib (Gleevec) came out. Which is this CML pill that really revolutionized care. And so, at that time, I would be – all patients on that bone marrow transplant service had chronic myeloid leukemia. And because they all had to undergo bone marrow transplant. Then Gleevec came, and today, there are no such patients who are see or very rarely that require such intensive care.  

So, I am very hopeful that in my practice time, which hopefully –and even earlier on – that there will be a time where we find targeted therapies for almost all patients.  

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Eisfeld, thank you so much for joining us today. 

Dr. Eisfeld:

It’s an absolute pleasure. And if there are ever any questions, please feel free to reach out. For patients who reach out, we are there to talk to all of you and give advice as good as we can or put you in contact with the right people.   

Katherine Banwell:

Thank you. And thank you to all of our collaborators. To learn more about AML and to access tools to help you become a proactive patient, visit powerful patients.org. I’m Katherine Banwell. Thanks for joining us today.  

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Why is acute myeloid leukemia (AML) patient empowerment vital? How can acute myeloid leukemia (AML) patients become empowered? AML expert Dr. Catherine Lai from Penn Medicine explains how she helps empower her patients and why educating patients is a vital part of their care.

[ACT]IVATION TIP from Dr. Lai: “Don’t be afraid to ask questions, don’t be afraid to ask about resources and other ways to get information, you want the right resources, so not necessarily…everything on Google is accurate, but there are lots of good resources out there that can give you the information needed so that you can make educated decisions.”

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Dr. Lai: 

It’s important to empower patients so that we’re making the best decision for them…that’s in line with their goals. I think that one of the main reasons why I love what I do is because I’m able to participate in the patient’s journey, and that journey doesn’t always mean that a patient has to live longer.

So I try to ask patients or do as patients, what are their…short- and long-term goals, do they have life events that they want to get to, is there a wedding coming up, a grandchild or something that I can help them get them to so that we can make a decision together that is taking into consideration their life outside of clinic and outside of the hospital.

I like to try to spend a lot of time with my patients educating them. Some people say I sometimes give them too much information, but I don’t feel like patients can make good decisions without being properly informed. So an educated patient makes a much better…makes a much better decision than somebody who doesn’t have the information.

And then I would also say it’s important to emphasize that you and your provider and our advanced practice provider and the social worker, we’re all a part of the same team that we all want the best outcome for the patient. And so knowing that, that you have a team of people that are taking care of you and that you really need to embrace learning and understanding as much as possible so that you can make the best decision about your short-term and long-term plan for yourself. So activation tip here is don’t be afraid to ask questions, don’t be afraid to ask about resources and other ways to get information, you want the right resources, so not necessarily…everything on Google is accurate, but there are lots of good resources out there that can give you the information needed so that you can make educated decisions.

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The Benefits of Being Pro-Active in Your AML Care

The Benefits of Being Pro-Active in Your AML Care from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Dr. Eytan Stein, an AML expert, discusses the importance of communicating regularly with your healthcare team and shares what makes him hopeful about the future of AML care.

Dr. Eytan Stein is a hematologist oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and serves as Director of the Program for Drug Development in Leukemia in Division of Hematologic Malignancies. Learn more about Dr. Stein, here.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Why is it essential for patients to share any issues they may be having with their healthcare team, specifically, sharing their symptoms and side effects?   

Dr. Eytan Stein:

Well, it’s important because we want to help you. I mean, I think that’s what it comes down to. All of us, whether it’s your doctor or your nurses or your nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant or anyone who is part of the healthcare system, we went into this business to help people. I mean, we knew what we were getting into when we went into this, and we want to help people. And one of the ways you help people is you help with their symptoms. So, if you’re not feeling well, you call up, and you say, “I’m not feeling well,” we can help you with that. You shouldn’t suffer in silence.  

I sometimes have patients who will say to me, “Oh, I was going to call you, but I didn’t want to bother you.” You’re not bothering us. This is what – it’s not like you’re calling and asking for mortgage advice, right? This is what we do. So, it’s very important to call us because the other thing is that you’re going to be more – it’s more likely that you’ll be able to complete your treatment if we manage the side effects that you’re having rather than just ignoring them.  

Katherine Banwell:

What advice do you have for patients to help them feel confident in speaking up and becoming a partner in their own care? 

Dr. Eytan Stein:

My advice is, speak up. You just speak up. It’s very important. It’s your – you know, at the end of the day, this is a disease that you are experiencing. Your doctor is there to partner with you and to guide you, but it’s your body. It’s your disease, and you need to be very vocal in what you’re experiencing and advocate for yourself.  

Katherine Banwell:

If a patient has difficulty voicing their questions or concerns, are there members of the support staff who could help?  

Dr. Eytan Stein:

Most centers have a social worker on staff that can help them out. I highly, highly encourage all of my patients to meet with a therapist or a psychologist that specializes in taking care of patients with cancer. I have become more vocal about this that I see really, it’s probably the best thing a patient can do for themselves, and there’s no downside. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to go back. You can do one appointment and not go back. But that can be extremely helpful, extremely helpful.  

So, it’s important in both ways. You need to alert your doctor that you might be feeling one way, but I think it’s also on the doctor to sort of take visual cues from the patient when they see them to understand what they might need and to make those kind of recommendations.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. As we close out our conversation, Dr. Stein, I wanted to get your take on the future of AML. What makes you hopeful?  

Dr. Eytan Stein:

Oh, so many things make me hopeful. I mean, we understand this disease so much more than we understood it even 10 years ago. There are all sorts of new treatments that are being developed. We’re improving the survival of our patients with the new treatments that have already been approved over the past 10 years. And I really think the golden age of AML treatment is upon us, and I really think that – and some people might think I’m crazy – but I really think that by the time I’m done with this, you know, one day, I’ll get too old, and I’ll decide I need to go retire and spend time with my family. But I think by that time, we’re going to be curing the vast majority of our patients. 

Katherine Banwell:

That’s so positive. It’s great to hear that there’s been so much advancement and that there’s so much hope out there for AML patients.  

I want to thank you so much for taking the time to join us today, Dr. Stein.  

Dr. Eytan Stein:

Okay, thank you. It was really nice to be here.   

Acute Myeloid Leukemia, Recommended Coping Methods and Mental Health

Acute Myeloid Leukemia, Recommended Coping Methods and Mental Health from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

How can acute myeloid leukemia (AML) patients and care partners find coping methods? Watch as expert Dr. Catherine Lai shares advice and resources to help with mental health and ways to cope with AML over the long term.

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Transcript:

Sasha Tanori:

Right. So a silent side effect that people facing cancer don’t always talk about is mental health. Are there any treatments or coping methods that you recommend for patients and care partners?

Dr. Catherine Lai:

Yeah, so I would say to get social work involved early on, I think there’s also…it’s silent, because there’s a lot of stigma around it, is that is something that we should be talking about or not talking about or…I can handle it, that sort of thing, so I introduce our social worker very early to know that she is a resource for the patients, no matter how big or how small, just to try to get them used to that idea. What I would also say is just talking with as many people as possible as I’m sure you realize that the network and the community is small, and everybody is willing to help each other out. So once you put yourself out there, you’ll realize that there are other resources out there, and you’re not alone in this journey, and what your cancer team offers you is different than what other patients who have gone through exactly what you’ve gone through can offer, and so I know that there are other resources out there in terms of societies that connect other patients who have the same diagnosis. So I would say it’s really just about education and talking and knowing that it’s okay to talk about your diagnosis and no matter what format that is, or if it’s a little bit now and a little bit later, and also just normalizing it, in the sense of the feelings you have are valid and normal. And if you don’t have those feelings is actually when I get worried about patients because you’re supposed to have certain reactions, you were a young patient and you were diagnosed with cancer.

That’s not a trivial thing. And we’re just…we’re all here to help you and help the patients go through everything.