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What Is the Impact of CAR T-Cell Therapy Access Barriers on Patients?

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How do CAR T-cell therapy access barriers impact patients? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses factors that create CAR T-cell therapy access barriers and the impacts of FACT accreditation and the REMS program.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Patel, how do you perceive the impact of patient access barriers, such as geographical constraints and caregiver requirements on the widespread adoption of CAR T therapies for myeloma patients?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, so this is a huge, huge problem. I think I’m such a big CAR T fan because again, it works so well, it gives people this amazing quality of life, so once they can get it, it’s phenomenal, and people want it again, if they can get it again down the road. But you have to get there, and so the biggest barriers, I will say is insurance coverage, making sure your insurance, now most people who have insurance it will cover, but some people with Medicare, if they don’t have a secondary, that 20 percent that you have to cover is insane. I don’t think most people would not be able to do that. So that’s number one.

Number two is location. And again, if you can’t come somewhere, there’s about 200 centers in the U.S. that are FACT-accredited, and you have to be…it’s an acronym basically for anyone that does cell therapy, and you have to be accredited to be able to give CAR T, so unlike other therapies like bispecifics that are not under that jurisdiction, for CAR T, you have to have that designation, so there are quite a few centers around the country that have that.

But again, access to myeloma CAR Ts is still limited to a certain degree, and so finding a place that’s nearby and having a caregiver, these are all really, really important, but we’re hoping that in the future with better CAR Ts, we won’t have to worry about staying in the vicinity for 30 days. We’re actually trying to push already to say that a lot of our patients, the majority do really well, that after two weeks, they should be able to go back home, and we can work with their local oncologist, their local doctors to make sure everything’s okay.

I think the original CAR Ts were in lymphoma and there were some pretty significant side effects we saw, so even that can’t drive for eight weeks and all these other things that we all have to do, all our patients have to do now came from that, even though most of our patients don’t get neurotoxicity, right, in myeloma, we don’t see those things. So again, we’re trying to find novel ways to push back and say to the FDA, do we really need these patients to stay here this long when our data looks so much different and better than it does for other diseases?

So I think that’s part of it as well. Through some of our newer trials, we’re trying to see if we can decrease those recommendations that once they get approved, it won’t be a part of the REMS program and all these things that. If once it becomes part of the REMS program, we have to do it and it’s hard to reverse that. But I know a lot of the companies are, and myeloma groups are trying to get together to decrease some of that burden, because it might be a little bit too much for the majority of our patients where they don’t need it medically and I know it would help them get access to the drugs, but coming back to the novel CAR Ts, there are ways to make the CAR T in less than 48 hours now that people are testing, and if we can do that, that can really decrease your time of even having to come get your cells collected, then go back home for bridging therapy, then come back for the actual CAR T treatment.

And if we can give it to you faster and we can decrease that toxicity, then hopefully again, it could be two weeks and then we get you back home. So I think that’s the ultimate goal. I just don’t know when that will happen.

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Are There Myeloma Trials Investigating CAR T for Frontline Therapy?

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Are There Myeloma Trials Investigating CAR T for Frontline Therapy? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Is it possible for CAR T-cell therapy to be used as a frontline therapy? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center sits down with her patient, Lisa Hatfield to discuss CAR T-cell clinical trials, including CARTITUDE-4, KarMMa-2, and KarMMA-9, and trials currently under study. 

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“…talking to a myeloma specialist about different options that are out there for trials because different centers will have different trials that are open and you need someone to help you navigate with that. Which ones are the best ones for you? And then I would say talking to your patient advocacy groups, because that’s really where a lot of my patients hear the information. And then they come to me and say, ‘Listen, I heard this, what does it mean?’ And I think that really helps you kind of even know where to start from.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

So, Dr. Patel, for this next question, I’m going to preface it by saying that anybody that I have ever talked to in my advocacy work about myeloma and how to get care for myeloma, I’m a huge advocate for seeing a myeloma specialist. And I will tell everybody out there that Dr. Patel at MD Anderson is my myeloma specialist, and I’ve been with her since I was diagnosed in 2018. I live in an area where we don’t have any myeloma specialists. And so I’m an advocate for that. And anybody listening, I hope that they know that they can seek out the care of a specialist even for initial consult or even once throughout their journey.

Having said all that, I know Dr. Patel, because you’ve talked to me about them before, that you’re involved in some clinical trials for CAR T therapy. Can you talk a little bit about your trials that you’re doing right now that offer CAR T in earlier lines of therapy, including frontline therapy, and what this could mean for patients?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, no, I think the CAR T trials are what allowed us to even get to second and third line. The KarMMa-3 and  CARTITUDE-4 were the two trials that brought ide-cel (idecabtagene vicleucel) [Abecma] and cilta-cel (ciltacabtagene autoleucel) [Carvykti] forward, which is fantastic. And I think now it’s how can we improve even further? So some of our clinical trials are even earlier line, like you said, frontline. So we have one called KarMMa-9 that is for patients who have less than a VGPR, meaning that they didn’t get all their myeloma gone after their initial transplant, if they went to transplant, you can do consolidation with CAR T. And we’ve had a few patients that we did on a smaller study called KarMMa-2 that are doing really well after they were on that cohort for that study.

So that’s sort of why they’re doing a bigger study for FDA approval now. And then CAR T 2-5 and 6, we don’t have that at MD Anderson, but a lot of centers do. But that is now trying to see if cilta-cel can actually beat stem cell transplant, which again, a lot of us are really excited about, but we need to do the trial to make sure it’s just as safe and hopefully more efficacious. So I think those are really, really important. Auto-transplant, I was a transplanter when I first became faculty at MD Anderson.

And so I do think it has a role, but it’s high-dose chemo and there are secondary potential side effects that can happen. And people really have to kind of stop their lives for at least two, three months, if not longer, to go through that. Where in CAR T, I think it’s that quality of life piece. Again, it’s one and done. It doesn’t take as long to recover for the majority of patients. And it really is using immune therapy instead of chemo to kill that myeloma, right? So it is very different.

And we’ve seen some amazing depth of response for CAR T compared to what we see with the normal chemotherapy. So the other piece is how we have other trials that are doing earlier lines. So there’s new CAR Ts that are coming out, hopefully in the near future as a standard of care. So there’s one called ddBCMA. It’s a study by Arcellx. And the big news was that Kite, which is one of the big lymphoma CAR T companies, just took over to do their big Phase III study.

So hopefully we’ll have FDA approval for this in the next year with our Phase II study. But the Phase III will be in second line forward just like the CAR T 2-4 was. And this CAR T, it’s different in the way it’s built. And we really don’t see any of the neurotoxicity at all so far, which has been pretty impressive. But we see the same efficacy that we saw with cilta-cel. So this could be sort of best of both worlds, knock on wood. But so far we’ve seen some really great responses. And I think that trial being offered earlier will be great as well for a lot of our patients to get something that might be better than what we have already. The other trials are with other targets.

So we do have some studies that are looking at different targets instead of BCMA. So now we have patients who have already had CAR T with BCMA and over time, years, for the most part, they’re relapsing. And so now we have GPRC5D CAR Ts that are actually being combined with different things to then be able to give them a little bit earlier rather than waiting till after BCMA or fifth line, etcetera. So we have lots of trials looking at all different ways to combine CAR Ts or newer versions of the BCMA CAR Ts that I think are really, really exciting. And I think it’s really hard to keep up with this.

So my activation tip here is really talking to a myeloma specialist about different options that are out there for trials because different centers will have different trials that are open and you need someone to help you navigate with that. Which ones are the best ones for you? And then I would say talking to your patient advocacy groups, because that’s really where a lot of my patients hear the information. And then they come to me and say, “Listen, I heard this, what does it mean?” And I think that really helps you kind of even know where to start from.

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Dr. Krina Patel: Why Is It Important for You to Empower Patients?

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Why is it important to empower patients in their care? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses her approaches and how she engages with her patients through treatment, care, and survivorship.

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Dr. Krina Patel:

So I think in myeloma, where our patients for the most part are not cured, they’re incurable and for the most part are on therapy lifelong. I think it’s really important that they have a community to go to, including their caregivers. There’s a lot of caregiver burnout that happens, patients, when they’re doing well or well, but when they relapse, it can be pretty dramatic and kind of take away everything again. And every time a patient’s relapsing, sometimes it feels hopeless.

And I think with all the therapies we have out there, this embarrassment of riches as we myeloma doctors like to say, we have to be able to get them through to have access to these drugs at the right time, make sure we decrease toxicity. But it’s a lot of information.

And I think for our patients, no matter how much time we spend with them, it’s just, it’s overwhelming. And I think it is for a lot of my colleagues who don’t just do myeloma all the time. I mean, it’s overwhelming for me half the time when I’m trying to see my patients and figuring out which is the next therapy. And so I really, at the first visit, talk to my patients about patient advocacy groups that are out there. And I even give them websites to go to.

At MD Anderson we’re trying to make videos for our patients so that while they’re waiting in the waiting rooms, they’ll have access to those, specifically, for CAR-T therapy and bispecifics. I think those are such great novel therapies, but they’re also high maintenance as I like to call them that there’s a lot of supportive care that’s needed for infection prophylaxis to make sure they don’t get secondary cancers, right?

All these complications that can happen, neurotoxicity, etcetera. And thankfully, for the most part, our patients do really well and they can get through it. But for those patients who end up with that, it’s really important they have this information, so they know when to contact us. And I think for my colleagues as well, we’re trying really hard to make sure we have better communication, for my patients that are in the community coming in for CAR T or for bispecific therapy, then going back to their doctors, their community doctors for the rest of their care.

So we have letters, that we come up with that we give to the patient as well as send to their doctor. We have phone numbers they can call that even if they’re back home, and they need to get ahold of someone that, they have a lifeline to say, I don’t know what to do. This is happening. And I think, it’s really important again for the patients and their caregivers to really understand, this is a lifelong journey, right?

This is not something that you’re just going to get a few cycles of treatment and then you go to survivorship clinic. And then hopefully we never have to treat again. And that this myeloma as of right now is still a continuous therapy and it could be, long periods of time between therapies. Or you might go on maintenance, for a long period of time before you need your next line of therapy, but this is a lifelong therapy that we’re going to have to do with, with everybody involved.

And I think, again, I can’t see every patient out there and most myeloma specialists can’t, but we’re happy to be a part of the team. And so really, when we can have access to things that the community might not, or be able to help in terms of, what combination is the best for this patient, and what dose reductions should we do for this specific patient?

Those are the things we would love to help our community doctors with to make sure outcomes for all our patients, those who are near us, but those who are also physically not close to us that we can still be able to help to make sure that they have the best efficacy, but also the best quality of life with this disease.

Can Race or Ethnicity Impact CAR T-Cell Therapy Response?

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Can CAR T-cell therapy response be impacted by patient race or ethnicity? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses some impacts to CAR T-cell therapy response for African Americans and some clinical methods to help reduce impacts to patients.

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“…there is a lot of work happening, research happening around how to predict and prevent side effects from CAR T so that the patients are much more informed, aware, can make an informed decision, and as clinicians, we can do whatever is within our control and is at our disposal to help prevent those side effects and make CAR T an even safer and more beneficial treatment for patients.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, is there data around ethnicity and response to CAR T-cell therapy and whether genetic factors may affect treatment outcomes? And can the side effects of CAR T-cell therapy be predicted or prevented?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

So Lisa, a very important question of whether there are racial ethnic factors that can affect CAR T-cell therapy benefit or side effects, and what are we doing to prevent some of these side effects? We know side effects can happen, what can we do to actually prevent them? So I’ll take this question in two different subgroups. The first one of talking about racial ethnic groups or differences. So we know patients who are African Americans. This is one study reported that African Americans are more likely to have side effects from CAR T-cell therapy.

So while it’s not a specific “genetic factor,” but race ethnicity can sometimes be associated with more side effects, and that is just because these are very inflammatory delivered or inflammatory mediated side effects like CRS. It’s also important to know that there are certain other factors, disease or treatment-related factors, that can help predict potentially more side effects with CAR T. For example, patients who are very heavily pre-treated, patients who have a very high disease burden, patients who did not respond to bridging therapy that was given to them prior to the CAR T.

These are all factors where we know that side effects are going to be more, and the success of the treatment might be lesser. What we are trying to do to mitigate some of these side effects, there are now studies which are giving either some low doses of steroids as a prophylaxis before, right around the time of CAR T, so that side effects may not happen. Studies that are giving a low dose or even standard dose of what’s called tocilizumab (Actemra), toci, or tocilizumab.

This toci drug is an antidote for CRS or cytokine release syndrome. The thought is, well, why wait for the toci to be given after the side effect happens? Why not give it beforehand and prevent the CRS? Historically, there was a concern that steroids or toci given early on could affect the CAR T-cell viability or activity, but that’s not the case. For example, in lymphomas, there are clinical trials that have shown very clearly given prophylactic or preventative steroids could help. Using steroids or toci in a preventative manner is helping mitigate some of the side effects. 

Well, by preventing the side effects, we are being able to give the treatment in a way that the patients may have lesser side effects and can get it done closer to home or at home sometimes, and their time to stay in the hospital is lesser. You can imagine that some of these barriers are being further mitigated.

My activation tip for this question is that there is a lot of work happening, research happening around how to predict and prevent side effects from CAR T so that the patients are much more informed, aware, can make an informed decision, and as clinicians, we can do whatever is within our control and is at our disposal to help prevent those side effects and make CAR T an even safer and more beneficial treatment for patients.

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How Are Rural CAR T-Cell Therapy Barriers Being Addressed?

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How are barriers to CAR T-cell therapy care in rural areas being reduced? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses positive patient care developments from COVID and how patients can help optimize their care.

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“…over these past few years, post-COVID, we have learned how to deliver healthcare in a more patient-centric manner, and we are using those factors, those tools, those techniques, to be able to bring CAR T and its associated care to a lot of many more patients. I still would like patients to seek out care as and when possible.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, logistical challenges exist in delivering CAR T-cell therapy to patients, especially in rural or underserved areas. Can you speak to any innovative delivery models that could improve access?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

This is an extremely important, but also an exciting question to ask, Lisa, whether we have some interesting models or innovative healthcare delivery models that are trying to overcome some of these access barriers to CAR T-cell therapy. So, one thing that COVID has taught us is that medicine does not need to be delivered or healthcare does not need to be delivered in a cookie cutter fashion as we were doing it before. Suddenly, after COVID, I’m glad that we all as a community, as a society, pivoted and started delivering telemedicine care.

So, we are still doing a lot of telemedicine. I’ll give you the example of one case who’s near and dear to me, because she did come through a lot of adversity to get to this point. A relatively younger lady with multiple myeloma, who’s an international patient, and she came from Middle East, she had already received two transplants and had run through all the treatment options available locally.

She had some family members and some means that she could actually come here, so she came to the U.S., did a consult, we did a visit, we took over her treatment, she got CAR T, but then a month or so after that she was doing fine and she wanted to go back home. She was here with some family members living in a foreign country, not speaking the language, et cetera. Her children were very supportive and spoke English. So, she went back and I still continue to do video visits with her just to see how she’s doing, monitor her disease, she sends me records through the electronic medical system portal, I can see her labs, and I think it gives me peace of mind that I’m keeping an eye on it, it gives her peace of mind.

And I don’t think a lot of it would have been possible without the tools that we have at our disposal, now, for example, telemedicine. Now, certain institutions do have other opportunities, like they have mobile clinics, they will actually go to the patients where they are. We, for example, at Mayo Clinic in the Midwest, in Minnesota, we have a health system that is present throughout three different states in the Midwest, where we have smaller clinics where the patients could go to and receive all their care, except for the CAR T portion for which they can come to the main site.

We also have something set up, for example, at Mayo called remote patient monitoring. We have something called acute care at home, in which we are providing a lot of this CAR T-cell therapy as an outpatient. Patients can receive their cells but can be discharged very early. And then a lot of these remote monitoring services we are using to help patients stay where they are, feel safe, not being stuck in a hospital room, and are able to receive their care sometimes in their homes with their caregivers and family members by their side, and they feel more comfortable about it.

So a lot of these things that we are doing to provide access to care to patients, and I would also say, this is helping overcome some healthcare disparities also, because some of those patients who have challenges or barriers to the access, but by doing these innovative things of telemedicine, at home care, remote monitoring care, et cetera, we are suddenly overcoming some of those barriers. For example, the patient needing to go to the hospital, the patient needing to have a caregiver who has to miss time from work just because they have to be at the hospital, et cetera.

So my activation tip for this question is that over these past few years, post-COVID, we have learned how to deliver healthcare in a more patient-centric manner, and we are using those factors, those tools, those techniques, to be able to bring CAR T and its associated care to a lot of many more patients. I still would like patients to seek out care as and when possible.

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How Do Race and Ethnicity Impact CAR T Side Effects?

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How are CAR T side effects impacted by race and ethnicity? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic shares some research study results about CAR T response rates and disease progression in African American and Hispanic patients and solutions for clinicians.

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“…there are some differences by race, ethnicity, specifically for the side-effect profile, patients should be aware of it, and clinicians who are the CAR T specialists should be aware of it so that they can manage the side effects well in their patients.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, real-world data from one of the available CAR-T-cell therapies, ide-cel (Abecma), has shown some differences in the side effect profile and benefit by patient race and ethnicity. What is your take on this, and how do you utilize this in your clinical practice? And also, what do you think researchers should do next to learn more about how CAR T therapies affect different people?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

This is an extremely important question, looking at what is the data currently on the risks and benefits of CAR T-cell therapy in patients from different racial ethnic groups, and then how are we using that in the clinic today and where should the field go about research in this area. So, Lisa, you’ve correctly pointed out that this study that was published recently is based on some real world data from one of the CAR T cells available, ide-cel.

Now, I shouldn’t say that this is specifically to ide-cel, but basically, ide-cel has been around a little bit longer than cilta-cel (Carvykti), and so the real-world data on ide-cel was to the point that this racial ethnic analysis could be done, and it was reported. That said, we don’t know how cilta-cel would be. That data just does not exist. So, I’m not saying that this is applicable to cilta-cel or not, because at least this study was specifically for ide-cel because that data was mature enough to be reported. That was just a qualifier of this particular question.

Now, what that study showed was that some of the side effects, including CRS, the cytokine release syndrome, and certain markers that can be an accompaniment of CRS, like the ferritin or what’s called CRP, C-reactive protein, which are inflammatory markers. So, inflammatory markers were higher in African Americans, and the CRS was also higher in African Americans from that real-world data.

The other thing that it showed was that the response rates were lower in Hispanics, but the progression-free survival, meaning time it took for the disease to progress and require more treatment, was lower in African Americans or overall survival was same across the racial ethnic groups. So, side effects a little bit more in African Americans, and the immediate response, a little bit less in Hispanics, but overall outcome, similar across races. Now, this is important for us to know because African Americans tend to have certain inflammatory disorders more frequently, like even asthma is seen more frequently in African Americans.

So, CRS, which is an immune system mediated inflammatory response, I can imagine that some of it might be higher in African Americans. So, in our clinics, what we are doing is when we are monitoring the patients, every patient is getting monitored the same way, but when it’s an African American patient, we are putting a little bit more focus on those inflammatory markers that can sometimes start showing up even before the CRS happens. I don’t think the response rate portion of Hispanics that we’re really taking into account much because the overall outcome or the long-term outcome was not really different between races and ethnicities.

Of course, there needs to be much more research, so I think we need longer-term follow-up data, we need larger number of patient data, and what I alluded to in the very beginning, we do need data on cilta-cel also, which has not yet been presented, but we are hoping that it will come out very soon. So, my activation tip for this question is, that there are some differences by race, ethnicity, specifically for the side-effect profile, patients should be aware of it, and clinicians who are the CAR T specialists should be aware of it so that they can manage the side effects well in their patients.

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How Can Information Disparities on Emerging Therapies Be Addressed?

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How can gaps in information about emerging myeloma therapies be reduced? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses some demographic characteristics of information disparities and advice for myeloma experts and patient advocates to help bridge  information gaps.

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“…I would highly encourage all my fellow clinicians, educators, researchers, and myeloma academicians to please consider developing some of these thresholds in your clinics so that if a patient is even able to come through the door and sees you, they are able to gain access to resources, or you’re able to bring together higher amount of resources specifically for that patient’s needs.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Recent studies have identified demographic characteristics such as higher education, residency in certain regions, and urban or suburban living as factors influencing awareness and understanding of novel myeloma treatments. How can healthcare organizations tailor educational initiatives to reach underserved populations and address these disparities in access to information and understanding of emerging therapies?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, this is a very interesting and important question. And as you were pointing out, studies that are talking about education level residency in certain geographical regions or urban/suburban areas, and that may be affecting the patient’s understanding and awareness of novel myeloma treatments. I kind of smile a little bit because one of those studies is ours that we conducted in about close to 2,300, 2,400 patients where we surveyed patients about CAR T-cell therapy and bispecific antibodies.

And what we found out is that there were a lot of differences. Patients with higher education where their information was closer to the correct information. I mean, there are sometimes gaps everywhere, but the patients with lower education in certain parts of the country or who identify as being from a rural area, they tend to have many more gaps and misconceptions about treatments.

So, while it was a novel finding, I wasn’t really surprised in seeing that. Because historically, our patients who are in rural areas, who are lower income or lower education strata, they tend to be underserved and underrepresented and just underserved. So what we’re trying our best to do is when we create the education initiatives, we are trying to, one, disseminate it across the board. So for example, studies like this, study gives results. We are working on writing the manuscript and publishing it so that anybody and everybody can read that and find out and say, “Oh, you know what, this is something that the people over at Mayo Clinic in their study found. Most likely it is applicable to us also.

So either we should look for that finding, or we should just try to mitigate it. We should just work on it.” So developing the education material and spreading it far and wide, we are strongly considering also that the results of these studies should be shared with our patients. Why not? I mean, forums like this or even for that matter, our other support group programs and other education initiatives, we are trying to disseminate these study results with the patients because they need to know about it.

And then when we are…as you rightly asked, how are we tailoring these education initiatives? I think the idea is we are trying to disseminate it far and wide. We are also trying to share it with institutions that may have a larger catchment population of these underserved groups. And then when we are putting together these initiatives, these education initiatives…or I should say, from a different standpoint, when patients come to our institution, we have certain triggers that we have set up.

So if somebody is African American or Hispanic, or if somebody in the EMR, in the electronic medical record system, has identified themselves coming from a rural area background, or if somebody has what’s called certain social determinants of health that are captured by the electronic medical record, and if they have some flags there, I think my threshold of getting a social work consult for that person or providing extra education material, that threshold goes down. We have that set up in our clinics.

So certain characteristics will qualify the patient to be able to access more information just because we feel that that is the group that tends to be traditionally underserved. So my activation tip for this question is, while we will try our best to provide information as far and wide as possible, I would highly encourage all my fellow clinicians, educators, researchers, and myeloma academicians to please consider developing some of these thresholds in your clinics so that if a patient is even able to come through the door and sees you, they are able to gain access to resources, or you’re able to bring together higher amount of resources specifically for that patient’s needs.

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How can CAR T-cell therapy access issues be reduced? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic explains some common access issues that can arise for patient CAR T care and some ways that providers and patient advocates are raising awareness about support resources.

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Lisa Hatfield:

How can healthcare systems ensure equitable access to CAR T-cell therapy for all eligible patients, regardless of demographic or economic factors?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, it’s an important question of how do healthcare systems, what role they can play in providing equitable access to CAR T-cell therapy or care in general. And I think it’s also important to figure out what is the patient’s role in this, in addition to the healthcare system’s role. So, there are some institution-specific things, I don’t want to say issues or problems or whatever concerns, but things that sometimes can be barriers or sometimes are non-modifiable. For example, the type of insurances that are accepted or sometimes, for cell therapy, insurance companies actually have preferred centers they want patients to go to. That happens for stem cell transplant, that also happens for CAR T.

And a lot of that happens based on how the contracts are kind of designed or contracts are negotiated between an institution and an insurance company, et cetera, et cetera. I’ll be very frank, a lot of those details are way beyond my pay grade, so I won’t be able to go into the specifics of that. But what I can say is, a patient may not be able to…based on certain barriers, certain criteria, a patient may not be able to access CAR T-cell therapy at certain centers.

For example, let’s say there’s a patient in the Jackson metro area where I am, and they would like to come to Mayo Clinic, but their insurance and Mayo Clinic are not compatible. The patient may not be able to come for cell therapy, but yeah, that patient may be able to at least seek a consult. And through that consult, we’ll be able to then either connect the patient with a different center or give them details about, “hey, you know what, why don’t you consider going to X, Y, or Z and get the treatment over there?” I’ll be very frank, unlike the general thoughts around, well, everybody wants the patient to only come to them, I think those of us who are clinicians, academicians, educators, researchers, we want the right answer for every single patient. Whether that patient comes to me, one of my colleagues in a different institutions, one of my “competitors” in a different institution, it doesn’t matter, as long as the right treatment is coming to the patient.

So I think if a patient is not able to get to a treatment like CAR T, they need to understand, “What is the reason? Why am I not being able to get into it? Is there a barrier for distance, resources, insurance, education, just caregiver support? Why is it that I’m not getting it?” There should be enough buzz around CAR T that everybody should say, “Well, am I a candidate? If not, why not?” And once we find out what is the problem, that can be addressed. We are working quite hard in trying to get some of those accesses around the patients and different groups of patients, making them more equitable.

So for example, we do provide every CAR T-cell therapy patient with a social work consult. That social worker’s job is to figure out what are these barriers for that patient. But I understand that’s for the patients who have already come through the door to seeing us. But if a patient is not able to come to us because of some reason, as an institution, we are also making some efforts in trying to get more awareness and education to patients who are not coming to us, but are say, going to other institutions.

We are setting up webinars, going to patient support groups, talking, doing programs like this so that the information can be disseminated far and wide and anybody and everybody can benefit from it. So my activation tip for this question is, that from a patient’s standpoint and role, while institutions are trying their best to provide the care wherever they can, from a patient standpoint, understanding what might be the specific barriers in their case to get to CAR T and trying to get to an institution that has the resources to help overcome and mitigate some of those barriers would be very important.

Lisa Hatfield:

Thank you. That is why patients appreciate you because you’re willing to do what it takes to take care of your patients, even if it means sending them somewhere else. That is a characteristic of an excellent physician. 

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How are CAR T therapy barriers of cultural and language nature being addressed? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses research study results on access barriers and ways to create solutions that address language and cultural issues.

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“…having a culturally sensitive discussion and a system that approaches the patients for complex treatments like CAR T or clinical trials. And personally, I’ve seen that it makes a big difference to the patient’s consideration of those treatment options.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, we know cultural or language barriers may hinder access to information about CAR T-cell therapy. How are you and your colleagues addressing this barrier?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

It’s very important to think about cultural or language barriers and how they may affect our way we deliver the care and the way the patients consume that healthcare. A few years ago we had done a study looking at just electronic medical record usage and how patients participate in their EMRs, for example. And we realized that for patients who are non-white, language barrier was a big issue because frankly, majority of our EMRs are English. They don’t provide a lot of Spanish or other language support.

Similarly, clinical trials and education material for CAR T, et cetera, they are very frequently in English. There is an increasing number of Spanish documents that are becoming available. So how we try to overcome these barriers, I think we have started, utilizing an approach in our institution where our research staff, we are trying to hire a diverse population.

There is data that based on studies, it has been very clearly shown before that, a patient is more likely to consider favorably a clinical trial or a treatment if it is being offered by someone who look and speak like them. So an African American patient is more likely to accept or consider a treatment, I would say, not even accept, but consider a treatment if it is being offered by an African American physician, an African American clinical research coordinator, et cetera.

While I’m not African American, I can’t change that, but we have African American, Hispanic, Asian clinical research coordinators in our teams, and we have noticed a clear difference in the patient’s understanding their ability to ask questions, their willingness to ask questions and clear out their barriers if it is given to them in a culturally sensitive, culturally appropriate manner.  So my activation tip for this question would be, having a culturally sensitive discussion and a system that approaches the patients for complex treatments like CAR T or clinical trials. And personally, I’ve seen that it makes a big difference to the patient’s consideration of those treatment options.

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What are CAR T-cell therapy roadblocks for Black and Latinx trial access? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses barriers that have been documented in clinical research and solutions and patient advice for overcoming barriers.

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“…please seek out a specialist center that specializes not only in myeloma, but also in CAR T and in clinical trials, and even at that center, seek out the physician who has part an experience of participating in clinical trials.”

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, there is so much promise around CAR T-cell therapy, but barriers exist. Can you speak to the roadblocks that prevent Black and Latinx patients from participating in CAR T-cell therapy trials that you have witnessed?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, this question about healthcare disparities and access to care, especially based on patient race ethnicity, it’s very near and dear to my heart. I do a lot of work around this and also a lot of research. Not just for CAR T, data has been very clear over years and decades that in multiple myeloma and frankly, in all cancers also. Clinical trial access is dismal when it comes to African Americans and Hispanic patients. Unfortunately, a lot of that data does not even exist about Hispanic patients.

But the publications are very clear with, so we’ve had one publication of ours, and then there has been one other from national data where FDA-approved drugs clinical trials were evaluated. And it was noted that while African American patients make up about 20 percent of the U.S. myeloma population, less than 5 percent of them participated in clinical trials that led to FDA approval of myeloma drugs.

I’m not saying that is specific for CAR T. In recent years when the CAR T trials were happening, the numbers have improved a little bit. They’re still not the same numbers representing myeloma population in the US, but some improvements happened, for sure. The barriers to getting onto CAR T and clinical trials related to such resource and time intensive treatments are multifactorial.

A lot of times they are sociodemographic, patients need to take time away from work. They have to have a caregiver, they have to have appropriate insurance approvals for certain things. They have to be able to go to a center that may be close to them. These centers are hopefully going to be able to bring some other resources like social workers, navigators, et cetera, to help that patient get onto the trial. And then there is sometimes lack of awareness of CAR T, lack of awareness of clinical trials per se, clinical, and there are fears, anxiety, scares around getting on clinical research.

Lots of barriers, I think we can systematically take care of mitigating them. I would again say, just as I mentioned previously in a different context, one simple way of trying to overcome barriers or at least making attempts to overcome barriers, is to get to a center that specializes in CAR T, that specializes in clinical trials and speak with an expert, a physician who has a clinical trial track record.

Patients can research all of this, and if that falls in place, I’m sure some of these access barriers and some of these disparities can be overcome. My activation tip for this question is, please seek out a specialist center that specializes not only in myeloma, but also in CAR T and in clinical trials, and even at that center, seek out the physician who has part an experience of participating in clinical trials.

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How can CAR T-cell therapy barriers for relapsed/refractory myeloma be reduced? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic shares his perspective about barriers to CAR T and advice for patients to reduce access issues.

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, what are the most significant challenges or barriers that patients with relapsed/refractory myeloma face when considering CAR T-cell therapy as a treatment option? And how can these challenges be addressed to improve patient outcomes and access to care?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, it’s very important for us to remember that while we talk about CAR T or advancements in myeloma, your question of what are the most significant challenges and barriers for patients with relapsed/refractory myeloma, and especially when they’re considering CAR T, and how do we try to overcome these challenges? This is a very important question. CAR T-cell therapy is very resource and a time-intensive treatment. Patients may not have a CAR T center close to them. They may have to go closer to a center, live there for about a month or so, or sometimes even more.

During this time, the treatment has to be controlled. There are approvals from insurance, there are tests required, in between treatment to control the disease, and then sometimes staying in the hospital, sometimes…and, of course, need for a caregiver, that is such an important requirement. Of course, the promise of treatment is that at the end of it, the patients may come out and maybe, with significant disease control.

But to get to that promised land, we have to walk through this…as I said, a time intensive and a resource intensive situation. Now, all of this is very daunting, is very anxiety provoking, is very scary, in fact. To me, the biggest way of overcoming these challenges, improving access to care, et cetera, is, let that patient see a qualified CAR T-cell center.

And importantly, a physician who gives CAR T-cell therapy, that one consult or one visit can take care of so many fears, anxiety, scares, et cetera, because frankly, all of our centers, all of us who focus on CAR T-cell therapy, we have a whole slew of resources at our disposal which we can bring together for the patients and their caregivers, whether it’s navigators, revenue or finance analysts, social workers, clinical psychologists, these are all a part and parcel of our CAR T-cell journey for a patient.

But frankly, I cannot bring those resources to a patient when they’re not even established with us, or they don’t even set foot through our doors. My activation tip for this question is the number one way of mitigating any healthcare access issues or the fears and scares about CAR T is, speak with a CAR T designated expert at a center that gives CAR T-cell therapy, and then only make a decision whether you want CAR T therapy for yourself or your care, your loved one or not.

Lisa Hatfield:

One quick question. Are you still seeing the bottlenecks for CAR-T therapy since it’s been FDA-approved? You have patients who want it but cannot access it because there’s a bottleneck with a process. Is that a barrier?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

It’s a good question. So in recent months, we have noticed that the initial bottleneck with availability of slots and numbers for CAR T, those bottlenecks are easing up quite a bit. With both the CAR T manufacturers in the U,S., there is hardly any wait list issue. And if patients are going to centers that are saying that, there’s too long of a wait list, we can’t get you to it, they should go to another center.

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How can patients and families be educated about CAR T-cell therapy? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses the approach he takes to explaining the treatment to those new to learning about CAR T.

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, how do you explain CAR T therapy to your patients and families hearing about it for the first time?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, that’s a very important question of how we explain CAR T to a patient, or their family members, of course, their caregivers. If we just take a step back and think about it, this is the most closed way are to science fiction in treating multiple myeloma. And so obviously, explaining that in terms that makes sense to them, gets them excited, but also gives them, one, the promise of the treatment and two, the appropriate details of potential side effects, et cetera, so that the patient can take an informed decision.

That boils down to the principle of shared decision making that all of us keep vying for. So the way I explain is that CAR T-cell therapy is based on the fact of taking a patient’s immune system, training it to go against that particular cancer and giving that hyper-activated or that activated trained immune system back to the patient.

And what we typically…the way I would explain that is that, some of these patients have had stem cell transplants before. It’s also important for me to keep comparing and contrasting with that. We explain to the patients that they typically undergo some testing to identify whether they’re candidates for CAR T or not, based on organ function, et cetera. Then we collect the T cells from their bloodstream. But as against stem cell transplant where the collection could have taken three to five days, T-cell collection is done only in one day in one sitting, outpatient.

And then those T cells are sent for manufacturing. During that time, the patient, we work on controlling their disease, and then those T cells are genetically modified. Some DNA for a target that is present on the myeloma cells, that is inserted into the T cells’ DNA.

The genetic material of a seeker is put into the T cells. Then those T cells are multiplied in the lab, and are sent back to us a few weeks later from the collection as a bag as the drug. And this has given back to the patients. Now, those trained activated T cells, have that seeker that they can specifically go and target a particular marker on the myeloma cells. In the case of both the CAR T cells that are currently FDA-approved, that, target on the myeloma cells is called BCMA. B-cell maturation antigen. So while the myeloma had that BCMA, the myeloma was growing because our immune system was not able to control it.

Now, the new…these activated T cells that came back or trained T cells, they have a seeker that can specifically go seek out the BCMA attached to it and kill those myeloma cells. And by the way, this BCMA is almost universally present on the myeloma cells. If I have to keep in mind an activation tip for this question of how do I explain CAR T-cell therapy is we take your immune system, as in the patient’s immune system, that immune system is trained to specifically go against the myeloma and is given back to the patients so that now those T cells are able to go and kill the myeloma, which was growing uncontrolled previously.

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How can diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL) treatment symptoms be managed? Expert Dr. Nirav Shah from the Medical College of Wisconsin explains common symptoms and side effects that patients experience and how they can help in managing their care along with their team.

Dr. Nirav Shah is an Associate Professor at the Medical College of Wisconsin. Learn more about Dr. Shah.

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Lisa Hatfield:

So, Dr. Shah, newly diagnosed DLBCL patients, they come in and typically, you would most likely prescribe a chemotherapy regimen, and then maybe down the road they may see something like CAR-T therapy. Can you explain what type of symptoms they may or may not have, and how they can manage those symptoms and maybe even a tip on who to call when they experience symptoms? 

Dr. Nirav N. Shah:

Yeah, it’s a great question, Lisa. So the front-line regimen for diffuse large B-cell lymphoma in 2023 is a combination chemotherapy regimen. The good news is we’ve gotten so much better at delivering these drugs in a safe and efficacious manner, we’re really good at preventing those horrible things that we think about when we watch movies of people vomiting all the time and being nauseous and losing weight. We have really good antiemetics, we develop a program to deal with nausea or vomiting should it occur, and escalate our treatments to prevent it in those patients that are more sensitive to the chemotherapy drugs.

That being said, it’s still chemotherapy. And so people do feel the side effects. I think the hardest side effect for a lot of people to endure is hair loss, these combination chemotherapy do cause hair loss, and then that often is even a little bit harder for women, just given the stigma for hair and how important that is to some of our female patients, and so these are challenges that I try to discuss with patients to help them anticipate. Again, we have lots of different services at our institution, we have a wig service, a place for people to go to find options on how to deal with that.

The biggest medical symptoms that I tell people that everybody experiences is just fatigue. We’re putting poison in your body to kill a cancer. We’re doing it for a good reason, but that just wipes people out. Most patients will not have the energy, the appetite, the drive that they normally have when they’re feeling well. And again, for the most part, that’s short-lived, but for some patients that can even last three to six months after completing their chemotherapy regimen. There’s lots of individual side effects that I warn them about, the one that I am most concerned about for my patients is infection, because chemotherapy doesn’t only kill the part of the immune system, the lymphoma, it can also weaken the immune system, a part of the immune system that is there to protect you from infection.

And so we tell them to monitor for fevers, and if they’re not feeling well to call us in. We provide our patients numbers for 24/7 contact. So we have a number that they can call to, and no matter when they call, they’ll be able to get either an on-call provider or the team if it’s during the daytime, to be able to help them with whatever issue or symptoms that they’re having. And so my activation point to my patients is, call us. Let us know what’s going on. We can’t help you with your symptoms if we’re not aware, and we don’t mind those phone calls because we want to help patients through that journey. 

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When can relapsed/refractory diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL) patients benefit from CAR T-cell therapy? Expert Dr. Nirav Shah from the Medical College of Wisconsin explains study results that compared chemo versus CAR T-cell therapy in relapsed DLBCL patients and the importance of looking at the timing of relapse.

Dr. Nirav Shah is an Associate Professor at the Medical College of Wisconsin. Learn more about Dr. Shah.

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Lisa Hatfield:

When do you say that CAR-T therapy should be used for relapsed/refractory patients? Is it after the first line of therapy has failed, or when do you tell your patients to consider that? 

Dr. Nirav N. Shah:

Yeah, so there was a large clinical trial that compared outcomes for those patients who had early relapse of diffuse large B-cell lymphoma. So within 12 months of finishing their R-CHOP chemotherapy, and they compared that to what was our historical standard, was to get more chemotherapy and then consider a stem cell transplant. And CAR T did better, and CAR T had better outcomes. And then recently, they just actually demonstrated that those patients that got CAR T early as a second-line therapy actually had better survival. For patients with early relapse in diffuse large B-cell lymphoma, the standard of care is to go right to CAR T-cell therapy as long as you’re a candidate, which means you have to be healthy enough, have the social support and the resources to be able to go through that therapy, which does require you to be within 45 minutes of a CAR-T center for about a month.

And again, we talked about, again, there’s issues with accessibility, which limits it sometimes, the availability to CAR T to all of our patients. Now, for those patients who relapse later, and we see that, patients who relapse a year-and-a-half, two years or even three or four years after their initial treatment, for those patients, the standard of care is to give a second-line chemotherapy, and then based on how well you respond to that, you would consider either doing a stem cell transplant if you had a very nice response to that second-line therapy, or if you were refractory to that second-line therapy, then getting CAR T as sort of a third-line therapy.

So again, there are lots of caveats here. The main distinction I think about is, when did you relapse? Did you relapse earlier or late? And based on that, choosing the treatment that’s most appropriate for that situation. So my activation tip for people thinking about what is the best treatment for CAR T is think about how the disease is behaving, and did you relapse early or did you relapse late? 

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Do multiple myeloma patients who relapse after CAR T have other treatment options? Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from the Mayo Clinic explains patients who typically receive CAR T-cell therapy and options for those who relapse after CAR-T therapy.

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Lisa Hatfield:

So this next question has to do with the sequencing of treatments, which, again, speaks to the fact that it’s super important to see a myeloma specialist, but the question is what treatments are available for myeloma patients who relapse after CAR T?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Very, very important question, and unfortunately a tough situation that we are dealing with because CAR T initially has been used for later lines of therapy as it is currently FDA-approved. With time, hopefully it will start making it may sooner in the treatment also, but when a person…when a patient has had treatment with CAR T, generally, they have already had treatment with most of the standard available drugs prior to CAR T, because the way CAR T is currently approved is the patient has to have at least four prior lines of therapy, and generally, at least in the U.S. system, with the first three to four regimens or lines of therapy, we’ve already seen and exhausted most of the available drugs.

So you can imagine most CAR T, there is less drug availability that the patient has not had before or may not be resistant to, but if the CAR-T response lasted long enough, sometimes we are recycling some of the drugs after previously used, and the patient may respond to them again.

Another thing to think about in that place is from my standpoint, clinical trials are extremely important and patients must seek clinical trial options, as you mentioned, again, important to see a specialized myeloma center, but one of the drugs that was approved in 2022 bispecific antibody, teclistamab (Tecvayli), and there are some other related by specific antibodies which have actually shown some benefit despite the fact that they also target BCMA, which CAR T targets, but patients who had prior BCMA therapy still had a very good response rate to, for example, teclistamab or some other…bispecific antibodies in clinical trials, so I don’t say that everybody who’s been treated with a BCMA CAR T should go immediately to a BCMA and bispecific may not be the best option in all cases.

But sometimes recycling older drugs in certain different combinations, clinical trials or options promising options like bispecific antibodies. We do have more options today than even what we had a year ago for patients who are progressing after CAR T-cell therapy.