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Expert Perspective | A Concerted Effort to Advance Myelofibrosis Care

 

Dr. John Mascarenhas discusses the evolving landscape of myelofibrosis research, emphasizing the concerted effort among researchers, pharmaceutical companies, and advocacy organizations to advance care and treatment options for patients.

Dr. John Mascarenhas is Professor of Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (ISMMS) and the Director of the Adult Leukemia Program and Director of the Center of Excellence for Blood Cancers and Myeloid Disorders at Mount Sinai. Learn more about Dr. Mascarenhas.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Is there anything you’d like to add about the evolution of myelofibrosis care? What are you excited about?  

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

I always make the comment they don’t feel rare to me because I see so many patients with myelofibrosis, and it’s what I do. But I recognize in the context of lung cancer, breast cancer, other more common cancers, these can be forgotten diseases. But what has been encouraging is, between the NIH funding, for example, our research consortium, which is really geared to translating the biology into clinical trials across the country.  

Pharmaceutical interest, which is essential to providing drugs and finance to run trials. Young investigators that are coming to the field that want to make a difference, institutions that continue to support the programs, and then foundations. Whether it’s MPN Research Foundation, Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, it really takes a village. And we’ve been working with the FDA to try to better understand how to develop trials that are meaningful that can get drugs approved and to the patients. 

So, it’s a concerted effort, and I’ve been enthusiastic. I remain optimistic that everyone is trying to do the same thing, achieve the same goal, and work together, and that’s the only way we’re going to be able to do it. 

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. How long does it take for the FDA to approve a drug? 

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

Forever. It feels like forever. It’s a long process, and for patients, it can be quite frustrating, because there’s so many steps involved. From just the original, initial steps to allow you to introduce a drug into humans, there are IND-enabling studies, so there’s a lot that goes into this.  

And then the initial studies are safety studies. They often can take quite some time. There’s a lot of scrutiny on safety, obviously, because the FDA is really charging to making sure that we do no harm, that we maintain safety for patients, so that can take a long time. And then the ultimate testing and comparison to a control arm is essential to get a drug approved. 

So, we’re looking at a timeline that can easily be a decade from the time we have a great idea, and have a drug available to us, to the time that we can prove that through the different stages, and then demonstrate that to the FDA and negotiate what a label will look like. And that is both a time-consuming process, a very expensive process, and a laborious process, but obviously an important process. 

Katherine Banwell:

Yes, and as you say, so many new drugs and therapies have become available in the last 10 years or more that really have advanced myelofibrosis care enormously. 

Emotional Health | Why It’s Vital for Myelofibrosis Patients to Share Concerns

Why is it crucial for myelofibrosis patients to discuss their emotional concerns with their care team? Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju explains how managing anxiety and fear is essential to maintaining overall well-being. 

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju is Director of the Blastic Plasmacytoid Dendritic Cell Neoplasm (BPDCN) Program and Professor in the Department of Leukemia at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. Learn more about Dr. Pemmaraju.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Managing the worry associated with a diagnosis or concerns about the future, and we did touch upon that earlier, it can lead to anxiety and fear. Why is it important for patients to share any worries they may be having with their care team?  

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju:

Well, I love this question. It really wraps up everything we’re talking about here. I believe that part of the journey for the patient does include mental and psychological safety. So, it’s very difficult to make major life decisions when one is not feeling mentally, or psychologically safe. So, that’s what you’re hitting on here. Anxiety, fear, and worry, of course, are a natural and important part of the patient journey with any cancer, much less a rare cancer and blood cancer on top of that. However, sometimes in some patients, it can become so paralyzing, so overtaking, and overwhelming that it may prevent the ability of the patient to receive information, process it, and then make a decision back. Yes, we want people to have caregivers, and power of attorney, all those things are essential, but we also want people to have their own agency in aegis.  

So, I would approach this from three aspects. I really love this question because I don’t think we were addressing it head-on 10 or 15 years ago. One aspect is the disease itself. These MPNs, systemic mastocytosis, eosinophilia, myelofibrosis, PV, ET, all of these MPNs can secrete these cytokines and granules that can mess up the patient’s mindset, even just profound fatigue leading to a slowing down of the neurological process. So, I think underlying control of the disease is something that can affect this. Number two is the side effects from some of these medicines. Interferon is a great example, a wonderful class of drugs that’s been around for decades, treated for solid and liquid tumors, but it has a known side effect of causing brain fog. Some of these issues can even cause depression and anxiety in some people. So, education, mitigation, following these things with dose reduction, that’s an important part.  

A third aspect, Katherine, is actually looking with a counselor and a therapist on the spectrum of this. So, normal, adjustment disorder, depression, for example. What we’ve had as a breakthrough at our center has been the supportive palliative care team. They’ve been phenomenal. So, this is a group of doctors who’s kind of one-third internist, one-third oncologist, and one-third psychiatry support.  

So, rather than the usual consults that we used to do either to psychiatry or to social work case managers, there is this burgeoning field of supportive care medicine which has revolutionized the care, I think, particularly for solid tumor patients and now hopefully for our blood cancer patients. So, I’m able to refer patients for a variety of reasons. There’s a fatigue clinic for overwhelming fatigue. There is obviously depression, and anxiety support, either with medications, talk therapy, or both. Smoking secession for folks who are still smoking and maybe either withdrawing or quitting is causing stress.  

So, it’s a really cool science and if your center has that, that’s something to inquire about. Then lastly, as we mentioned, a nice running theme today, Katherine, is looking for other medical stuff outside of the MPN. I mentioned thyroid earlier. Remember, you have a thyroid abnormality that can cause fatigue, depression, and anxiety, right? So, what’s your TSH thyroid function, and vitamin deficiencies?  

Screening for your other well-person screening exams, looking for solid tumors, looking for other conditions that may be mimicking the MPN, or mimicking one of your other aspects. So, again, it comes down to partnership with the primary care team and looking at that. So, I think those are some of the aspects that I want to mention, but it’s such an important part of the journey. I really have to mention that as well. 

How Are Prognostic Scoring Systems Used in Myelofibrosis Care?

How are scoring systems such as DIPSS used in myelofibrosis care? Dr. Pemmaraju explains how these tools assess myelofibrosis prognosis and guide treatment decisions. 

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju is Director of the Blastic Plasmacytoid Dendritic Cell Neoplasm (BPDCN) Program and Professor in the Department of Leukemia at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. Learn more about Dr. Pemmaraju.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

“Can you explain the dynamic international prognostic scoring system or DIPSS?” Thank goodness there’s an acronym for that.  

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju:

Yeah, no, it’s a great question, scoring systems, right?  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah, and Cliff wants to know how he can ask his doctor about it.  

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju:

Right, so the easiest way to talk about it, the good news is everything we’ve been talking about is incorporated in the scoring system. So, said in another way, we’ve been talking about it subjectively, the scoring systems try to make the subject objective. So, quick history, these started in 2009 with the IPSS, International Prognostic Scoring System. The concept there were a thousand patients in Europe and basically trying to observe the natural history of the progression of myelofibrosis. This was just before, just as the JAK inhibitor era was starting. What we found is that the four groups nicely separate.  

So, the lowest of the low-risk group potentially can be measured in decades for overall survival. Intermediate one, intermediate two, and high risk, again, all separated by overall survival and AML leukemia transformation risk. Now, that’s evolved over time as the questioner is asking for more sophisticated scoring systems. So, that’s all you need to know. So, DIPSS Plus just means Dynamic International Prognostic Scoring System.  

Then there’s DIPSS plus, and can you believe it? There’s even the MIPSS now, the Molecular International Prognostic Scoring System. All right. So, at least there’s a rhyme and reason there. I think each iteration is telling you that we are dynamically understanding more about the disease. Two, the IPSS, the original one, was meant to be only at diagnosis, and the DIPSS by definition, dynamic scoring, is any time during the course of the disease, that’s interesting. Then three, they’re incorporating new factors each time.   

So, from the time of the IPSS to the DIPSS and now the MIPSS, you’re incorporating all these factors that we couldn’t before. Cytogenetics, molecular findings, anemia, transfusion, burn, thrombocytopenia, etc. So, that’s basically it. You can ask your doctor. I mean, basically, in the course of what we do in the non-clinical trial standard of care, even if somebody doesn’t hand stop and calculate these risk scores, we’re talking about the same thing, right? The subjective or the objective matchup.  

However, of interest to the patients, there are calculators that are available, you know, obviously rather than doing it in isolation in your house. Yes, it is better, I agree to do it with your doctor, with your provider team, and see what it means for you. The goal of these is twofold. In clinical trials to help stratify patients so you can understand who’s high risk versus lower. However, in the standard of care, sure it may help with transplant decisions, referrals for clinical trials, etc. 

Advice for Shared Decision-Making | Myelofibrosis Care and Treatment Goals

Myelofibrosis expert Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju advises on how patients and healthcare teams can partner together by communicating care goals and exploring treatment options.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

When it comes to choosing therapy, Dr. Pemmaraju, it’s important to work with your healthcare team to identify what is going to work best for you. So, as a clinician, how do you define shared decision-making?  

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju:

Very important. So, shared decision-making to me means a partnership. It means a journey that the patient and the providing team are about to embark on. It’s a very different approach than a one-way, I tell you, you do this. Instead, I see it as a bi-directional exchange of ideas.  

Each visit, each EPIC in-basket or EMR communication, each touch with the healthcare system, the pharmacist, the PA, nurse, whoever is dealing with the patient, I think that’s the key.  

So, a bi-directional exchange of ideas, what’s important to you as the patient? What’s important to the caregiver? What are the worries? What are the barriers? Designing a treatment system around that, a treatment paradigm and approach. Discussing risks, benefits, side effects, toxicities, alternatives, and then a constant dynamic reevaluation throughout. That’s what I pictured. It has to be a journey and a partnership.  

Katherine Banwell:

Well, part of making care decisions is setting goals, and I think you’ve just alluded to that. What are treatment goals for myelofibrosis, and how are they determined?  

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju:

That’s a great question. Myelofibrosis treatment goals are changing in real-time. I would say as of this recording, 2024, the main three things that I want patients to think about and the caregivers.  

Number one is a stem-cell transplant eligible or not? It used to be based on age and comorbidities, but there are other factors. So, are we going to stem cell transplants or not? That determines a lot of the journey. Two is a clinical trial or not. So, are we doing the standard of care therapy, often one pill at a time, or clinical trial, either an IV drug, a pill, or combinations? Then three is that dynamic assessment that we talked about, which is what are the goals of care? Often our patients with myelofibrosis have decreased quality of life, enlarged organs, fatigue, cachexia, and malnutrition.  

These are the central components. A lot of times they’re due to the myelofibrosis itself. So, the treatments may improve that. A lot of times it’s the other comorbidities, other health issues. So, working with the PCP, the primary care provider, and the local team. In my case, many of my patients are referrals, as you know, the local MD team. I think these are the three components, transplant eligibility or not, clinical trial versus standard of care. 

Then once we’ve made a treatment decision, minding toxicities and quality of life.  

Staying [ACT]IVATED: My Journey with Myelofibrosis and the Power of Proactive Care

As an avid climber who made healthy choices, Jason never envisioned he would be diagnosed with myelofibrosis (MF). Watch as he shares his path to diagnosis, challenges with finding a good fit for an MF specialist, and advice for optimal care. 

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Transcript:

Being informed and proactive is crucial in managing myelofibrosis, a relatively unknown blood cancer. My name is Jason, and I was diagnosed with myelofibrosis at age 46. Being an avid climber and overall a healthy person, the news came as a huge shock. Now, with my experience, I want to share my story to help others who might be experiencing unusual symptoms, just as I did. My desire is to raise awareness and to stress the importance of early detection, ultimately aiming to improve outcomes for all those affected by myelofibrosis.

Even though I didn’t realize it at the time, my myelofibrosis symptoms began with fatigue and abdominal pain. I dismissed the symptoms and didn’t see my doctor until I noticed that my skin had become strangely itchy. My doctor ran a full blood panel and referred me to an academic cancer center. I was fortunate that I lived in the same city, but it made me think about what would have happened if I lived in a rural area. I received further testing followed by my diagnosis of myelofibrosis.

I was referred to a doctor who specializes in treating myeloproliferative neoplasms (MPNs). I met with the doctor but wasn’t sure that she was going to be the best fit for me. I’m a naturally curious person, and she didn’t seem open to answering a lot of my questions. After connecting with some other myelofibrosis patients in an online support group, I decided to meet with another specialist to see if I could find a better match for my care. I was fortunate to find a good match with the next MPN specialist. I’ve been under his care since, which started with active surveillance followed by an autologous stem cell transplant. My transplant was incredibly challenging, but my myelofibrosis support group was always there for me with words of support and taking action to support both my wife and me during my treatment journey.

Following my experience with myelofibrosis, I’ve become dedicated to educating others about its unique symptoms to raise awareness of this type of blood cancer. Like me, you can empower yourself by connecting with patient advocates and support groups that can assist you in navigating your healthcare journey.

Stay [ACT]IVATED in your myelofibrosis care with these tips:

  • Ask your care team questions to learn about the status of your treatment options, and what to expect during and after treatment.
  • Join a patient support group to offer and to receive emotional support. This was a saving grace for me and my family.

These actions for me were key to staying [ACT]IVATED in my myelofibrosis care.


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Overcoming Barriers: Ensuring Equitable Access to Myelofibrosis Care and Clinical Trials

 

How can barriers to optional myelofibrosis care be overcome? Expert Dr. Abdulraheem Yacoub discusses common barriers that patients encounter, support and financial solutions to overcome barriers, and proactive patient advice. 

[ACT]IVATION TIP

“…seek the best care at any time and in any place, and doctors and healthcare systems will support you. You have to ask for help, and if you ask for help, more often you’ll get more than if you don’t ask for help, and you have to advocate for yourself to get the best care that you can access.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Yacoub, in the context of myelofibrosis, what are the key barriers to accessing optimal care treatments, including access to trials, particularly for patients in historically marginalized groups?

Dr. Abdulraheem Yacoub:

There are many barriers actually that I can see and I witness every day. One is the actual initial presentation. So a lot of patients have had objective abnormalities and symptoms and exam and laboratory results, and it took them an extended period of time to even reach a hematologist oncologist. And then even after they do that, the next barrier is the precision in making a diagnosis. Many patients make it to the doctor, but the diagnosis has not been refined or readdressed correctly. The diagnostic workup was not up to bar, and patients are not classified or diagnosed correctly. And then once the diagnosis is made correctly, the access to therapeutics is also a challenge.

So some of our therapeutics that are cutting-edge are actually very pricey. They require a lot of support and financial aid and financial assistance and involvement in the complex healthcare dynamics, including specialty pharmacy and pharmacists and social workers. And the more resources patients have at hand, the more resources their physician has at hand, the better access they will have to these drugs. So that’s another barrier is that this is not available to all patients equally and universally. And then beyond the standard approved therapeutics, clinical trials are also provided in centers of high volume in MPNs, and those are not distributed equally throughout the country. So there are regions in the country where patients have to drive many hours to get to the next MPN center of excellence.

And because MPNs are rare diseases, trials are not going to be open at large in all centers. So that’s another level of hardship and barrier to care for these patients. However, this should not really encourage a culture of lack of interest or complacency by doctors or by patients to accept status quo. I think my [ACT]IVATION tip for patients is that you should seek the best care at any time and in any place, and doctors and healthcare systems will support you. You have to ask for help, and if you ask for help, more often you’ll get more than if you don’t ask for help, and you have to advocate for yourself to get the best care that you can access.


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Bridging the Gap | Enhancing Access to Specialized Myelofibrosis Care for Rural Patients

 

How can specialized myelofibrosis care be enhanced for rural patients? Expert Dr. Abdulraheem Yacoub from the University of Kansas Medical Center discusses solutions to bridge gaps in myelofibrosis care and patient advice for improving self-education and self-awareness.

[ACT]IVATION TIP

“…seek knowledge through the online reliable platforms of education, try to enrich their experience and their awareness of their disease and their surroundings, and also increase their awareness of specialties and expertise in the region where occasionally they might have to travel or seek attention from an MPN center of excellence in order to seek the care that they deserve and they need.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Yacoub, many patients live far from hospitals or clinics with hematology specialists leading to difficulties in accessing specialized care. What are the main barriers in addition to just the distance to accessing specialized care for myelofibrosis patients in rural areas?

Dr. Abdulraheem Yacoub:

Thank you very much, Lisa, for this. And access to healthcare is really a global concern in rural towns. And access to physicians in many subspecialties can be a challenge. It becomes an even more of a challenge in patients with rare diseases and rare cancers. So, MPN being a uniquely uncommon disease, it’s a disease that impacts younger, productive individuals who also have to have, maintain their work’s and family duties. It does compete with other priorities. So this compounds the access challenge for patients. Adding to that, is that even in patients with access to healthcare centers that are more sub-specialized, there are fewer MPN centers of excellence that can provide the service that patients deserve.

So this really compounds the challenge for patients with MPN. And this hopefully can improve with further improving access virtually to those patients or to use resources or platforms for self-education and self-advocacy that can connect patients to the experts that they require. So my [ACT]IVATION tip for patients is to seek knowledge through the online reliable platforms of education, try to enrich their experience and their awareness of their disease and their surroundings, and also increase their awareness of specialties and expertise in the region where occasionally they might have to travel or seek attention from an MPN center of excellence in order to seek the care that they deserve and they need.


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Leveraging Telemedicine to Manage Myelofibrosis in Rural Areas | Overcoming Distance and Accessibility Challenges

How can telemedicine be leveraged to aid myelofibrosis patients in rural areas? Expert Dr. Michael Grunwald from Levine Cancer Institute discusses methods used to help manage care of rural myelofibrosis patients, frequency and duration of virtual visits, and patient advice. 

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“…while there can be regulatory limitations on certain uses of telemedicine, patients should take advantage of telemedicine when it’s possible.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Grunwald, how can telemedicine be effectively utilized to manage and monitor myelofibrosis patients in rural areas considering their challenges that these patients have with distance and accessibility?

Dr. Michael Grunwald:

I found that it can be incredibly helpful. So I have some patients who are within our healthcare system who have myelofibrosis and they might get their labs checked at a center that’s 1, 2, 3 hours away from here. And I can see the labs in our electronic medical record system because those offices happen to be connected with our medical record. And those patients can see a doctor at the center over there.

And I might know the patient from having seen the patient once a year or twice a year, but they could be seen more frequently at the center, closer to their home. And I can interact with the physician there through the medical record, through the electronic medical record, and also view all test results. And in fact, I can order tests. There are also many patients who are outside of our healthcare system and live the same distances away.

They’re taking care of providers who are not part of our system. I might not always be able to see those patients’ medical records, easily an hour version of the electronic medical record, but I can call those doctors, I can receive faxed information and then we can scan it into the patient’s chart here. And I can still take care of those patients remotely and provide some check-ins from time to time that we performed via video visits.

Here in North Carolina, and it might be different from state to state, but here in North Carolina, we have a restriction where insurance will only sanction telehealth visits if those visits are within state boundaries. So it’s very hard for us, in my understanding, and things are changing over time, but in my current understanding, it’s very hard for me to take care of a patient who’s in a different state because of the rules about insurance and payment and medical liability and so forth.

However, for patients who live in North Carolina, which is a large state, it’s easy for me to provide telehealth visits as necessary and they’re very valuable. I think that for patients who live a little bit further away, I do have them come a little bit more often because I cannot do the telehealth visits for say, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia.

But I might have patients have labs drawn locally on occasion and then review the labs and then call the patient, or one of my staff will call the patient to review the lab results that I’ve looked at, and we can provide some degree of advice remotely, even though it can be short of a video visit, which would be preferred. My [ACT]IVATION tip for this question is, while there can be regulatory limitations on certain uses of telemedicine, patients should take advantage of telemedicine when it’s possible.


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Barriers to Accessing Specialized Myelofibrosis Care in Rural Areas | Challenges and Solutions

What are common myelofibrosis care barriers in rural areas? Expert Dr. Michael Grunwald from Levine Cancer Institute discusses barriers that myelofibrosis patients in rural areas encounter and solutions for overcoming barriers for improved care.

[ACT]IVATION TIP

“…oftentimes, specialized MPN physicians and local physicians can partner to coordinate care. I think it is appropriate for patients to pursue this, and I have found that many patients and providers appreciate the partnership.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Grunwald, what are the main barriers to accessing specialized care for myelofibrosis patients in rural areas?

Dr. Michael Grunwald:

I think a big barrier is that sometimes it can be hard to find providers who are familiar with the disease, whether it’s primary care providers or hematologist-oncologists. And there are many excellent hematologist-oncologists who practice in rural settings. Most of them in my experience, will be treating every type of cancer and every type of blood disease. So many of these physicians, they might be seeing a patient for colon cancer and then the next patient might be a breast cancer patient, next patient might be a lung cancer patient. Then there might be a patient with a benign blood disease, let’s call it iron deficiency anemia.

And then maybe there might be a patient who has a myeloproliferative neoplasm like myelofibrosis. And so there’s not the same degree of specialization in myeloproliferative neoplasms as you might see in some of the larger cities where the population can support the existence of such specialists. Of course, I’m not talking about every scenario. There might be some rural doctors with a lot of expertise and certainly there’s some large centers that happen to be in areas that are a little bit less populated. So I certainly don’t want my comment to be taken as a all-encompassing or as a definite rule.

But I think it’s a good rule of thumb that we’re going to see more general oncologist-hematologists in rural settings. And that creates a bit of a challenge because many times these oncologists are less familiar with this group of diseases, the myeloproliferative neoplasms and myelofibrosis in specific, which is a rare disease. And they might not know certain of the symptoms that can be associated with myelofibrosis. They might not be up to date on all of the latest scoring systems and risk stratification. They might not be up to date on all the most recent treatments.

Therefore, this creates a little bit of a barrier for the patients and families to overcome as they try to learn about their diseases. Oftentimes, physicians in rural settings will partner with physicians at large centers and try to collaborate in the care of patients. My [ACT]IVATION tip for this question is, oftentimes, specialized MPN physicians and local physicians can partner to coordinate care. I think it is appropriate for patients to pursue this, and I have found that many patients and providers appreciate the partnership.


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How Does Risk Stratification Shape Myelofibrosis Treatment?

What is involved in determining low risk versus high risk myelofibrosis? Expert Dr. Michael Grunwald from Levine Cancer Institute discusses IPSS, DIPSS, MYSEC-PM, and MIPSS70 scoring systems, key patient factors they weigh in determining risk, and why risk stratification is an essential part of myelofibrosis care. 

[ACT]IVATION TIP

“…risk stratification is important because it can impact treatment choices including whether to initiate treatment, whether to pursue transplantation, and sometimes the type of treatment as well. Also, lower risk patients can require treatment at times for symptoms and splenomegaly in myelofibrosis.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Grunwald, what is lower risk versus higher risk myelofibrosis?

Dr. Michael Grunwald:

Fortunately, we have various risk stratification systems available. We have the International Prognostic Scoring System or IPSS, and then later on, the Dynamic International Prognostic Scoring System or DIPSS scoring system was developed to risk stratify patients. And then the DIPSS Plus, there’s the MYSEC-PM scoring system, which is specifically for patients who have a history of essential thrombocythemia or ET, or polycythemia vera or PV, who then developed myelofibrosis.

And then finally, we have the Molecular Scoring Systems, the Molecular International Prognostic Scoring System, which is called the MIPSS70. And then the newest one of those is the MIPSS70 Plus version 2.0. So we have a lot of different risk stratification systems and they have many features in common.

These risk stratification systems look at patient’s age, their blood counts, sometimes whether patients are so anemic that they’re requiring blood transfusions, the percentage of blasts in the peripheral blood, the degree of fibrosis or scar tissue in the bone marrow, their cytogenetics. So whether patients are missing big chunks of genes in their bone marrow or whether chunks of genes are translocated from one chromosome to another chromosome.

And then finally, the Molecular Scoring Systems take into account individual genetic mutations. Based on these features of a patient’s disease, we can determine whether a patient is at high or low risk of progression and also high or low risk of mortality from myelofibrosis. And the scoring systems are all a little bit different, so it’s confusing, but there are certain features that are common among low risk patients. So more normal blood counts, lower percentages of blasts in the peripheral blood, less fibrosis in the bone marrow, and then more favorable mutations, which could be chromosomal abnormalities or individual genetic mutations. Higher risk patients tend to have more abnormal blood counts, higher blast percentages, more fibrosis in the marrow, and then unfavorable risk mutations.

And from this we get a sense of whether a patient’s disease is likely to progress to acute leukemia, and also whether a patient is at risk of death from myelofibrosis in the near future. This information can be very helpful because it can guide us in our recommendations for treatment or sometimes for no treatment for a patient.

Lisa Hatfield:

Ok, thank you. So if I were your patient and I was just recently diagnosed with myelofibrosis and I said I heard that I was staged or given the risk stratification from the DIPSS system, would you know what that means and how that might relate to other systems of staging or do I need to be aware myself that it means this, that it means I am lower risk or higher risk, will you tell me that if I was sitting in your office?

Dr. Michael Grunwald:

Yes. So I went through this with patients yesterday where we sat together and we looked at the scoring systems, and we looked at a few of the scoring systems, and we plugged in patients’ numbers into scoring system calculators that are available online. So I can plug in the white count, I can plug in the patient’s platelet count, their hemoglobin, their mutations, and figure out what their DIPSS score is, what their DIPSS Plus score is, what their MIPSS70 score is. And I like it when the information from the different scoring systems is fairly concordant.

For example, if a patient is low risk by all of the risk stratification systems, makes me very confident that a patient is low risk. And then if there’s more discordance where, let’s say, a patient has a molecular mutation that indicates high risk and heavily sways the MIPSS70 or MIPSS70 Plus version 2.0 toward the higher end of the risk spectrum, and we have another scoring system, one of the older ones that would indicate lower risk, that’s where the conversation is a little bit more difficult. And I tend to trust the newer molecular systems a little more, especially in patients who had no previous history of essential thrombocythemia (ET) or polycythemia vera (PV). And we do discuss that with the patients, both the clinical attributes and the genetic attributes of the disease.

My [ACT]IVATION tip for this question is, risk stratification is important because it can impact treatment choices including whether to initiate treatment, whether to pursue transplantation, and sometimes the type of treatment as well. Also, lower risk patients can require treatment at times for symptoms and splenomegaly in myelofibrosis.


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What are key myelofibrosis barriers and solutions for healthcare providers? Experts Dr. Raajit Rampal from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Dr. Jeanne Palmer from Mayo Clinic discuss common obstacles to myelofibrosis care and methods they’ve used to overcome barriers including collaborative care tips.

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Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Dr. Palmer, can you speak to some of the obstacles or barriers faced by healthcare providers themselves when treating myelofibrosis patients?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

I think one of the challenging pieces, you know, I know in Arizona, we have a pretty big catchment area, because there’s not only the Phoenix metropolitan area, but there are a lot of smaller communities scattered throughout Arizona. And I think one of the issues that we have is, let’s say I want to start somebody on a new medication that potentially has a side effect of anemia or something. Being able to manage them remotely is difficult, because a lot of times they may require a blood transfusion. Can they even get a blood transfusion where they’re at? Can they afford the 5-hour drive down to Phoenix to get that? So I think sometimes, even access to simple things, well, I guess it’s not that simple, but things like blood transfusions can be hard. Fortunately for labs, you’re often able to get them most places through various Labcorp, Quest, et cetera. But sometimes any type of infusional treatment can be really, really hard to get.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you. Do you have anything to add, Dr. Rampal, with regard to barriers faced by providers?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

No, I actually think that’s an important, that’s a really important thing. Because it depends on your area of the country and what access to resources patients have locally. If we’re thinking about this as sort of a hub and spoke model, that may be the outdated model. In other words, it’s not that people can afford to, you know, from a financial perspective or a time perspective, come into the major center and then go back. They need to get access to care locally, but you have to have the infrastructure, the healthcare infrastructure, if you will, to deliver that care. And that’s a difficult problem in many parts of the country.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Dr. Rampal, can you speak to unforeseen or maybe outdated practice-related barriers that may hinder your work and that of your colleagues with regard to myelofibrosis treatment?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Yeah, I guess my broad answer to this is that things are changing rapidly and the pace of change is accelerated. In other words, when we think about myelofibrosis, the treatment paradigm probably, if you think about the last 15 years, in the early part of that, things were kind of relatively static and now they’re not as new knowledge emerges, as new treatments emerge. And the challenge here, again, speaking in general terms is, as Dr. Palmer pointed out, this is a rare disease. It’s not something that’s frequently seen by physicians in the community. So how do you keep people up to date on something that is not the majority of what they do? It’s a very small percentage of what they see and do. And that’s an ongoing challenge. And I’m not sure there’s any perfect solution to that except for education. It’s just a question of how do you deliver that in a time-effective manner so that people can devote some time to getting up to date? But it is ultimately a good problem that things are changing rapidly.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Absolutely. And, Dr. Palmer, do you have any solutions or actions or things that healthcare providers can do as this treatment landscape rapidly evolves?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

I think it’s a real challenge because even when we look at sort of the dogma of like, well, what’s the response criteria? I mean, when you’re thinking of a lot of like solid tumors, you think, okay, did the tumor shrink a certain amount? Did the tumor go away? With myelofibrosis, when we think about even response criteria, it’s really challenging. So I think I agree education is part of it, and it’s trying to figure out how to distill down the really important components of how do you manage these patients day-to-day? We can talk about the COMFORT study and the MOMENTUM study and everything else all we want to, that tested, were major studies that tested the drugs that we use, but then the nuances of how to manage them day-to-day is something that I think we could probably improve upon how we educate.


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Dr. Nicole Rochester:

So we’re going to start by diving into the nuanced challenges and practice barriers in myelofibrosis care. We know that some of those factors may be related to socioeconomic factors and health disparities. So, Dr. Rampal, I’m going to start with you. What are the primary barriers in myelofibrosis care, and how might these barriers impact accessing effective treatment for myelofibrosis?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Well, I think it’s broad in the sense that, if we think about access to care, I think that part of the problem lies in underdiagnosis, and that is really on the end of the spectrum of access to primary care I’d say, are people getting in and getting regular blood count checks, the things that are going to tip somebody off that, you know, if somebody has a hematologic issue or problem, I think that is a big part of the entire discussion and spectrum here. And then the second thing is that this is a rare disease, and there are a handful of specialists throughout the world who deal with this.

And so making sure that patients have access to expert care, which is not to undermine the quality care that’s provided in the community, but this is more a question about do patients have access to, you know, clinical trials or to the most updated knowledge, and that to me really revolves around people being able to have access to tertiary care referral center who has a myelofibrosis expert. So I think those are some of the barriers, at least in my mind.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you so much. And, Dr. Palmer, I’d love to get your insight as well. From your perspective, what are the primary barriers to accessing effective treatment, and what strategies can be implemented to overcome these barriers?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

So I agree with everything that Dr. Rampal said, but I’d also want to add to it, like many people would have to travel a distance to see that specialist. And so one of the ways that I’ve been able to try to overcome that thus far is by telemedicine. So being able to have that ability to contact somebody over the Internet, I think, especially if they’re getting very good care locally, just being able to provide that sort of expert additional advice about how to manage their disease, what different options are available.

Fortunately, this is a space where new drugs are coming pretty rapidly. So I think that having the ability to be able to weed through all of these different drugs, understand the pros and cons of them, and advise patients is good. And if they can’t make it to see you, then they can’t get advice about the medications nor can the providers. Because recognizing this is such a rare disease, a community provider has a lot to keep track of. So trying to keep track of something that impacts so few patients is hard to do. I think the other big barrier is cost and support for getting these medications.

These medications are all, unfortunately, quite expensive, and new drugs that are coming down the horizon will probably be so as well. So being able to find the right support for them, even when insurance covers it, it’s sometimes with a very large copay. So trying to handle access to these drugs, not only in the knowledge of which drugs to give, but also the ability to be able to pay for them.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful. Thank you both for elucidating some of those barriers. And you both mentioned that this is a rare disease and, Dr. Rampal, you also talked about expert care. And so I’d love to know, and I’ll start with you, Dr. Rampal, how do referral patterns impact treatment access in myelofibrosis and particularly for underserved populations?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

This is a really interesting question, because things are changing in the sense that, I think at least in the New York area, but probably true elsewhere, there’s increasing consolidation of healthcare as hospital systems buy up smaller practices. And that means that referral patterns are going to change and are changing. There’s more of an impetus for docs to refer patients within their own health network. And they may or may not have access to expert care within their network. I think that’s one thing to keep in mind.

And the second is that, the elephant in the room here is that you have to have insurance to get into these networks. You have to have the right insurance. And do all of these big academic tertiary centers accept every kind of insurance? The answer is no, they don’t. So right off the bat, you have a systemic barrier, but then with the changing referral patterns, and I think likely certain insurances being more likely to be accepted in certain networks, you’ve already kind of fragmented the entire system. So, is there a streamlined way for patients to get in? Right now, I think the answer is no, there are a lot of barriers.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you, Dr. Rampal. Dr. Palmer, do you have anything to add? And also if you can touch on what healthcare providers should be aware of and what they can pay close attention to with regard to these barriers that you and Dr. Rampal have discussed?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

Right, so I completely agree with everything he said. I think it’s a real challenge, especially as you parse apart these different healthcare systems. I think one of the important things for patients to know and what providers can help with is providing sort of access to some of the patient advocacy sites. On these patient advocacy sites, they can find the name of different providers, and sometimes that helps them call in to get a referral. Now, the insurance coverage is another challenge that’s a lot harder to manage. But I think one thing that patients can do is if within their own network, there isn’t an expert, at least being able to go to these patient advocacy sites, finding out who they should, who they can go see.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful, thank you. Well, we’ve been talking about how certain populations may experience more barriers. And certainly we know that’s at the root of health and healthcare disparities. So I want to move and start to talk a little bit about cultural competency. And I’ll go back to you, Dr. Rampal, what role do you believe cultural competency plays in addressing barriers in myelofibrosis care?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Yeah, I think one of the major tasks is to be aware that cultural competency is important. That to me is sort of the first step in everything. And in making this a little bit more granular. Not every patient approaches their disease or their diagnosis in the same way. And a lot of that is informed by their cultural beliefs, their community. And this is something, you know, living in a place in like New York where we see people from all different cultures, this is a striking thing because there are people who, for example, you know, they come from, you know, strong religious faith backgrounds. Their approach to things is different.

In some respects, they approach the disease and the need for treatment in a very different way than people who come from other cultural communities or those who are, let’s say, even not coming from a religious setting. But if you’re not aware of those and you try to put the same sort of treatment paradigm on all patients, you’re going to run into conflicts at some point. So I think to me, the first step is to be aware that these things influence how people perceive their disease, how they perceive the treatments or their desire to even be treated. But if you’re not aware of those things at the outset, then you’re going to run into those issues, I think.

 


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Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Welcome to this Empowering Providers to Empower Patients EPEP program. I’m Dr. Nicole Rochester, founder and CEO of Your GPS Doc. EPEP is a Patient Empowerment Network program that serves as a secure space for healthcare providers to learn techniques for improving physician-patient communication and to overcome practice barriers. In this healthcare provider roundtable, we are discussing breaking through myelofibrosis practice barriers.

We’re going to talk about the nuanced challenges and practice barriers in myelofibrosis care. How do patient socioeconomic factors impact treatment access? We will look at gaps in the field and overcoming practice barriers such as lack of awareness, outdated practices, and therapeutic inertia, while also addressing solutions to enhance patient-centric care in myelofibrosis for improved patient outcomes. 

It is my privilege to be joined by Dr. Raajit K. Rampal of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. Dr. Rampal is a clinical translational investigator whose research focuses on the genetic events that contribute to the development and progression of leukemia and myeloproliferative neoplasms. Thank you so much for joining this EPEP program, Dr. Rampal. 

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Thanks so much for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

It’s also an honor to be joined by Dr. Jeanne Palmer, hematologist at Mayo Clinic. Dr. Palmer’s interest is in identifying novel targeted therapies for patients with myeloproliferative neoplasms. She strives to offer innovative therapies to patients in all stages of their disease through clinical trials. Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Palmer.

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

Thanks for having me.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

So we’re going to start today’s discussion by diving into the nuanced challenges and practice barriers in myelofibrosis care. We know that some of those factors may be related to socioeconomic factors and health disparities. So, Dr. Rampal, I’m going to start with you. What are the primary barriers in myelofibrosis care, and how might these barriers impact accessing effective treatment for myelofibrosis?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Well, I think it’s broad in the sense that, if we think about access to care, I think that part of the problem lies in underdiagnosis, and that is really on the end of the spectrum of access to primary care I’d say, are people getting in and getting regular blood count checks, the things that are going to tip somebody off that, you know, if somebody has a hematologic issue or problem, I think that is a big part of the entire discussion and spectrum here.

And then the second thing is that this is a rare disease, and there are a handful of specialists throughout the world who deal with this. And so making sure that patients have access to expert care, which is not to undermine the quality care that’s provided in the community, but this is more a question about do patients have access to, you know, clinical trials or to the most updated knowledge, and that to me really revolves around people being able to have access to tertiary care referral center who has a myelofibrosis expert. So I think those are some of the barriers, at least in my mind.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you so much. And, Dr. Palmer, I’d love to get your insight as well. From your perspective, what are the primary barriers to accessing effective treatment, and what strategies can be implemented to overcome these barriers?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

So I agree with everything that Dr. Rampal said, but I’d also want to add to it, like many people would have to travel a distance to see that specialist. And so one of the ways that I’ve been able to try to overcome that thus far is by telemedicine. So being able to have that ability to contact somebody over the Internet, I think, especially if they’re getting very good care locally, just being able to provide that sort of expert additional advice about how to manage their disease, what different options are available. Fortunately, this is a space where new drugs are coming pretty rapidly.

So I think that having the ability to be able to weed through all of these different drugs, understand the pros and cons of them, and advise patients is good. And if they can’t make it to see you, then they can’t get advice about the medications nor can the providers. Because recognizing this is such a rare disease, a community provider has a lot to keep track of. So trying to keep track of something that impacts so few patients is hard to do. I think the other big barrier is cost and support for getting these medications.

These medications are all, unfortunately, quite expensive, and new drugs that are coming down the horizon will probably be so as well. So being able to find the right support for them, even when insurance covers it, it’s sometimes with a very large copay. So trying to handle access to these drugs, not only in the knowledge of which drugs to give, but also the ability to be able to pay for them.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful. Thank you both for elucidating some of those barriers. And you both mentioned that this is a rare disease and, Dr. Rampal, you also talked about expert care. And so I’d love to know, and I’ll start with you, Dr. Rampal, how do referral patterns impact treatment access in myelofibrosis and particularly for underserved populations?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

This is a really interesting question, because things are changing in the sense that, I think at least in the New York area, but probably true elsewhere, there’s increasing consolidation of healthcare as hospital systems buy up smaller practices. And that means that referral patterns are going to change and are changing. There’s more of an impetus for docs to refer patients within their own health network. And they may or may not have access to expert care within their network. I think that’s one thing to keep in mind.

And the second is that, the elephant in the room here is that you have to have insurance to get into these networks. You have to have the right insurance. And do all of these big academic tertiary centers accept every kind of insurance? The answer is no, they don’t. So right off the bat, you have a systemic barrier, but then with the changing referral patterns, and I think likely certain insurances being more likely to be accepted in certain networks, you’ve already kind of fragmented the entire system. So, is there a streamlined way for patients to get in? Right now, I think the answer is no, there are a lot of barriers.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you, Dr. Rampal. Dr. Palmer, do you have anything to add? And also if you can touch on what healthcare providers should be aware of and what they can pay close attention to with regard to these barriers that you and Dr. Rampal have discussed?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

Right, so I completely agree with everything he said. I think it’s a real challenge, especially as you parse apart these different healthcare systems. I think one of the important things for patients to know and what providers can help with is providing sort of access to some of the patient advocacy sites. On these patient advocacy sites, they can find the name of different providers, and sometimes that helps them call in to get a referral.

Now, the insurance coverage is another challenge that’s a lot harder to manage. But I think one thing that patients can do is if within their own network, there isn’t an expert, at least being able to go to these patient advocacy sites, finding out who they should, who they can go see.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful, thank you. Well, we’ve been talking about how certain populations may experience more barriers. And certainly we know that’s at the root of health and healthcare disparities. So I want to move and start to talk a little bit about cultural competency. And I’ll go back to you, Dr. Rampal, what role do you believe cultural competency plays in addressing barriers in myelofibrosis care?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Yeah, I think one of the major tasks is to be aware that cultural competency is important. That to me is sort of the first step in everything. And in making this a little bit more granular. Not every patient approaches their disease or their diagnosis in the same way. And a lot of that is informed by their cultural beliefs, their community. And this is something, you know, living in a place like New York where we see people from all different cultures, this is a striking thing because there are people who, for example, you know, they come from, you know, strong religious faith backgrounds. Their approach to things is different.

In some respects, they approach the disease and the need for treatment in a very different way than people who come from other cultural communities or those who are, let’s say, even not coming from a religious setting. But if you’re not aware of those and you try to put the same sort of treatment paradigm on all patients, you’re going to run into conflicts at some point. So I think to me, the first step is to be aware that these things influence how people perceive their disease, how they perceive the treatments or their desire to even be treated. But if you’re not aware of those things at the outset, then you’re going to run into those issues, I think.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you so much, Dr. Rampal. Well, we’ve been talking about the barriers that patients face. Dr. Palmer, can you speak to some of the obstacles or barriers faced by healthcare providers themselves when treating myelofibrosis patients?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

I think one of the challenging pieces, you know, I know in Arizona, we have a pretty big catchment area, because there’s not only the Phoenix metropolitan area, but there are a lot of smaller communities scattered throughout Arizona. And I think one of the issues that we have is, let’s say I want to start somebody on a new medication that potentially has a side effect of anemia or something.

Being able to manage them remotely is difficult, because a lot of times they may require a blood transfusion. Can they even get a blood transfusion where they’re at? Can they afford the 5-hour drive down to Phoenix to get that? So I think sometimes, even access to simple things, well, I guess it’s not that simple, but things like blood transfusions can be hard. Fortunately for labs, you’re often able to get them most places through various Labcorp, Quest, et cetera. But sometimes any type of infusional treatment can be really, really hard to get.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you. Do you have anything to add, Dr. Rampal, with regard to barriers faced by providers?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

No, I actually think that’s an important, that’s a really important thing. Because it depends on your area of the country and what access to resources patients have locally. If we’re thinking about this as sort of a hub and spoke model, that may be the outdated model. In other words, it’s not that people can afford to, you know, from a financial perspective or a time perspective, come into the major center and then go back. They need to get access to care locally, but you have to have the infrastructure, the healthcare infrastructure, if you will, to deliver that care. And that’s a difficult problem in many parts of the country.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Absolutely. Wonderful. Well, you talked about something maybe being outdated. That’s a perfect segue to our next conversation. And so I’ll start with you this time, Dr. Rampal. Can you speak to unforeseen or maybe outdated practice-related barriers that may hinder your work and that of your colleagues with regard to myelofibrosis treatment?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Yeah, I guess my broad answer to this is that things are changing rapidly and the pace of change is accelerated. In other words, when we think about myelofibrosis, the treatment paradigm probably, if you think about the last 15 years, in the early part of that, things were kind of relatively static and now they’re not as new knowledge emerges, as new treatments emerge. And the challenge here, again, speaking in general terms is, as Dr. Palmer pointed out, this is a rare disease. It’s not something that’s frequently seen by physicians in the community.

So how do you keep people up to date on something that is not the majority of what they do? It’s a very small percentage of what they see and do. And that’s an ongoing challenge. And I’m not sure there’s any perfect solution to that except for education. It’s just a question of how do you deliver that in a time-effective manner so that people can devote some time to getting up to date? But it is ultimately a good problem that things are changing rapidly.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Absolutely. And, Dr. Palmer, do you have any solutions or actions or things that healthcare providers can do as this treatment landscape rapidly evolves?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

I think it’s a real challenge because even when we look at sort of the dogma of like, well, what’s the response criteria? I mean, when you’re thinking of a lot of like solid tumors, you think, okay, did the tumor shrink a certain amount? Did the tumor go away? With myelofibrosis, when we think about even response criteria, it’s really challenging.

So I think I agree education is part of it, and it’s trying to figure out how to distill down the really important components of how do you manage these patients day-to-day? We can talk about the COMFORT study and the MOMENTUM study and everything else all we want to, that tested, were major studies that tested the drugs that we use, but then the nuances of how to manage them day-to-day is something that I think we could probably improve upon how we educate.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you. So as we move on to our final topic, we’re going to start talking about collaborative care. You all have spoken about this being a rare disease, the need for expert care, the fact that not everyone has access to that expert care. And so the reality is that it’s going to take more than just experts like yourself in order to manage these patients. And so, Dr. Palmer, I’m going to start with you. What are the key components of an effective collaborative care ecosystem for myelofibrosis? And how can healthcare providers integrate these components to ensure comprehensive patient care?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

Well, I think one of the most important things is really making sure you’re having conversations with the patients, are able to sort of elucidate what’s really important to them and how they’re feeling. I think many patients actually are very aware of things that they want to or don’t want to do. And so, and then in a disease like this one, where there are lots of different options, there are also just nuances in the way you sort of treat things like, okay, do you want to take this side effect or that side effect? Or how do you want to approach this? Being able to have those conversations to really get their input on it is very important.

That’s one of the reasons I really enjoy treating this disease is because it’s not so regimented in how you do it. It becomes really a conversation, understanding how the patient’s feeling, understanding the side effects that they’re having, so you can better determine how you should continue with the therapy.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful. I appreciate that. And I appreciate that you brought in the patient perspective when we’re speaking about collaborative care, because, of course, they need to be involved in their part of their medical team. Dr. Rampal, what about the healthcare providers? How can you cultivate a collaborative ecosystem with other healthcare providers as you all provide care for myelofibrosis?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

Part of my advice here is simple, which is to pick up the phone. And I’ll tell you why I put it that way. I think that what happens…and this is something I always emphasize to our trainees, because I don’t think this is something that’s taught. This is, as they call it, a soft skill. But there is, I think, a tendency, at least in academic centers, for people to want to ensconce themselves in the ivory tower. And that doesn’t help, because you have to communicate with the people taking care of the patients.

And the simplest way to do that is to pick up the phone and call the referring doctor who they’re seeing in the community, and say, “Listen, I saw your patient. Here’s what I think. I’d like to share the care with the patient. I can see them every six months. Please keep me updated. This is my cell phone number. Call me if there’s a problem.” That, to me, has been the most simple, effective tool to build collaborative partnerships with physicians in the community. And it’s not something that I think is taught, but we have to do that. We have to break down these barriers between specialty care or academic care and community care. I think that’s one of the best things we can do to help patients get the care they need.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

And what a simple tool, just picking up the phone. We often try to create complex technological solutions. And you’re right. It’s just as simple as picking up the phone and having that one-on-one conversation. So thank you for adding that. Dr. Palmer, how can multidisciplinary teams be best utilized to improve outcomes in myelofibrosis care?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

So it always takes a village to treat a patient. I think that making sure that you have…that your social workers or case managers have good access to different resources to help with patients. As I said, one of the biggest challenges is paying for these drugs. So having a good team of social workers or case managers who are really able to tap into resources, so patients can get access to these drugs is really important. Making sure that you have good nursing support.

One of the things that’s really important is I can ask my nurse, “Hey, look, can you check in on this person in the next few weeks to see how they’re doing with their new medication?” And even having good APPs. I’m very fortunate to have a couple of APPs I work with who are very knowledgeable about MPN. So I don’t worry that if I’m not there to see the patient that somebody else who’s seeing the patient won’t be able to assess them in a good way. So I think having that whole cadre of people around you to support the care of that patient is critical.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Absolutely. And I appreciate that you lifted up not just the medical providers, but the case managers as well, particularly with some of the challenges that we’ve been talking about today. And, Dr. Rampal, do you have any specific solutions for how to achieve seamless coordination among the different specialists that may be involved in the patient’s care?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

No. I think it’s a difficult problem. I’m not sure there’s a clear solution. Even the simple thing of medical record systems not talking to each other; people use different medical record systems, those things all create barriers. I think that…the only thing that I think is worthwhile is making sure that you’re actively managing this communication.

In other words, when you write a note in your electronic medical system, you’re assuming that it’s getting sent and being read by the referring physician and all of that, but that’s a passive way of thinking about this. And one has to be active. One has to make sure that if there are key things to be communicated amongst all of the people taking care of a patient, as I said earlier, a simple thing is pick up the phone or make sure you have communication about your ideas and plans for the patient so that the other people, providers involved in that patient’s care are all aware of that.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Thank you so much. Yeah, the electronic medical record does not sometimes live up to those expectations, which takes us back to what you said earlier, picking up the phone. It’s time to wrap up our roundtable. And I must say I have enjoyed this conversation so much. And as we bring this program to a close, I’d love to get closing thoughts from each of you.

And so I’ll start with you, Dr. Palmer. What is the most important takeaway message that you want to leave other healthcare professionals who may be listening and watching this program around how we begin to eliminate barriers in myelofibrosis care?

Dr. Jeanne M. Palmer:

Well, I think one of the key factors here is to make sure that you understand what you know and then understand what you don’t know. And there are lots of us out there who are very willing to help and support in any way we can. I think this is a really challenging disease to treat. Speaking as someone who started to treat it mid-career, it was something that I realized that it’s not just about reading papers, there are a lot of nuances to it. So really not having the fear of asking.

Also, to really tap into patient advocacy organizations. There are a number of really good organizations that provide excellent education opportunities for patients and making sure that patients are aware of those so that they can be able to do their own Google search, but not necessarily in a non-constructive fashion. So really tapping into those patient advocacy groups is really important.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Wonderful. And what about you, Dr. Rampal? What’s a closing takeaway message for our audience?

Dr. Raajit K. Rampal:

I think open lines of communication. I think that from the perspective of providers in the community, we want to know that you have questions. We want to make ourselves available to answer those questions. And so I would much rather be inundated with questions specific to a patient’s care than not to hear from somebody.

And then I think from the specialist side of things, we have to make ourselves available to address these questions and make ourselves accessible. So I think in as much as possible, opening up lines of communication is one of the keys to overcoming some of these barriers. Obviously, there are systemic barriers here that require systemic solutions, but on a granular level I think those are the things we can do.

Dr. Nicole Rochester:

Well, I want to thank you both. Thank you, Dr. Palmer. Thank you, Dr. Rampal. As always, this has been a very informative conversation. We talked about many of the barriers to myelofibrosis care. We talked about some of the systemic and structural barriers, but we’ve also talked about barriers that healthcare providers can overcome.

And ultimately, the take-home message for me is communication. Communication with our patients in a way that they can understand, in a way that they like to receive information, having respect for cultural differences, and communication and collaboration with each other. So again, thank you both for all of the information that you shared. And thank you all for tuning in to this Empowering Providers to Empower Patients Patient Empowerment Network Program. I’m Dr. Nicole Rochester. Thank you for watching.


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