What Are CAR T-Cell Therapy Requirements for Care Partners?

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What requirements do CAR T-cell therapy care partners need to meet? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses CAR T-cell therapy care partner requirements, the reasoning for the requirements, and specific side effect conditions they need to be on the lookout for.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

With their caregiver eligibility requirements, does a patient have to have a caregiver with them during the initial part of the CAR-T therapy?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah. So, unfortunately, if you’re going to do it with outpatient, then yes, because again, when things go wrong, they can go wrong pretty fast, especially with the ICANS, neurotoxicity. So ICANS, most patients just have a little bit of trouble writing or they might have a little bit of trouble with confusion, but if that happens, you might not remember or know who to call if you’re not feeling well, right.

Now when you’re in hospital, we actually say, No, you don’t need a caregiver with you, it’s nice to have somebody because we could pick up on things a lot faster, so if someone calls somebody the wrong name, it happens once in a while but they’re doing it consistently. I might not recognized that, but my patient’s caregiver will recognize it, they repeatedly, they called me this name instead of this name.

So little things like that, but at the same time, you don’t have to have a caregiver when you’re in the hospital because we’re watching you 24/7. So for that period that sometimes our patients stay for about a week or so, you don’t need somebody, but after that when you are outpatient, at least until you get home and you’re out of that period of ICANS and CRS, we do need somebody with you just to make sure if something bad doesn’t happen, and that if something is happening, they can call 911 or at least get you to the hospital relatively quickly. And that’s why there’s time limits, you can’t be farther than, for some trials, 30 minutes outside the hospital where you’re getting your CAR T.

So say two hours. Again, for us, we usually say 30 minutes is probably the longest, just because Houston, the traffic is so crazy too sometimes, that we want to make sure that you can get to the hospital quickly, even though it’s a lot less likely chance of getting high grade ICANS it’s less than 5 percent, but if you are that patient, we want to be able to get you into the hospital quickly and reverse it quickly.

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What Is the Impact of CAR T-Cell Therapy Access Barriers on Patients?

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How do CAR T-cell therapy access barriers impact patients? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses factors that create CAR T-cell therapy access barriers and the impacts of FACT accreditation and the REMS program.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Patel, how do you perceive the impact of patient access barriers, such as geographical constraints and caregiver requirements on the widespread adoption of CAR T therapies for myeloma patients?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, so this is a huge, huge problem. I think I’m such a big CAR T fan because again, it works so well, it gives people this amazing quality of life, so once they can get it, it’s phenomenal, and people want it again, if they can get it again down the road. But you have to get there, and so the biggest barriers, I will say is insurance coverage, making sure your insurance, now most people who have insurance it will cover, but some people with Medicare, if they don’t have a secondary, that 20 percent that you have to cover is insane. I don’t think most people would not be able to do that. So that’s number one.

Number two is location. And again, if you can’t come somewhere, there’s about 200 centers in the U.S. that are FACT-accredited, and you have to be…it’s an acronym basically for anyone that does cell therapy, and you have to be accredited to be able to give CAR T, so unlike other therapies like bispecifics that are not under that jurisdiction, for CAR T, you have to have that designation, so there are quite a few centers around the country that have that.

But again, access to myeloma CAR Ts is still limited to a certain degree, and so finding a place that’s nearby and having a caregiver, these are all really, really important, but we’re hoping that in the future with better CAR Ts, we won’t have to worry about staying in the vicinity for 30 days. We’re actually trying to push already to say that a lot of our patients, the majority do really well, that after two weeks, they should be able to go back home, and we can work with their local oncologist, their local doctors to make sure everything’s okay.

I think the original CAR Ts were in lymphoma and there were some pretty significant side effects we saw, so even that can’t drive for eight weeks and all these other things that we all have to do, all our patients have to do now came from that, even though most of our patients don’t get neurotoxicity, right, in myeloma, we don’t see those things. So again, we’re trying to find novel ways to push back and say to the FDA, do we really need these patients to stay here this long when our data looks so much different and better than it does for other diseases?

So I think that’s part of it as well. Through some of our newer trials, we’re trying to see if we can decrease those recommendations that once they get approved, it won’t be a part of the REMS program and all these things that. If once it becomes part of the REMS program, we have to do it and it’s hard to reverse that. But I know a lot of the companies are, and myeloma groups are trying to get together to decrease some of that burden, because it might be a little bit too much for the majority of our patients where they don’t need it medically and I know it would help them get access to the drugs, but coming back to the novel CAR Ts, there are ways to make the CAR T in less than 48 hours now that people are testing, and if we can do that, that can really decrease your time of even having to come get your cells collected, then go back home for bridging therapy, then come back for the actual CAR T treatment.

And if we can give it to you faster and we can decrease that toxicity, then hopefully again, it could be two weeks and then we get you back home. So I think that’s the ultimate goal. I just don’t know when that will happen.

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A Look at Promising Strategies to Improve CAR T-Cell Therapy Access

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How can CAR T-cell therapy access be improved? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center explains strategies that have increased CAR T access, monitoring of CAR T patients, and advice for patients to access support.

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“…talk to your teams, if it’s not the doctor, at least the nurse practitioner or the nurses about resources, because through the pharmaceutical companies as well as things like LLS and other places, they actually have funds for people going through trials or CAR T therapies, etcetera, that we can help. My nurse knows all these things that she knows how to start working in our social worker and our case managers, they all know all these things so that they can get you the resources you need…”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Patel, given the exacerbation of existing barriers during the COVID-19 pandemic, what strategies do you believe are most promising for enhancing patient access to CAR T therapy, particularly in terms of innovative clinical trial designs and stakeholder collaboration? And one of the questions that comes up a lot is during COVID I was able to participate in a clinical trial, but I could do some things closer to home where we don’t have a big center. Are those strategies still in play? So patients might be able to travel, maybe once a month or once every two months for a CAR T trial and then go home for a little while. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, I think COVID did help us learn how to use telehealth much more, where when it was allowed, I think the good news when we had it, we could do it for all 50 states. It was amazing. All my patients I could talk to through virtual visits, etcetera, use their local labs. Clinical trials are a little harder because you have to have labs that are certified and making sure that they’re able to do those intricate labs that you need.

For instance, certain things are central labs for where they have to look at your T cells and how they’re expanding over time while you’re getting CAR Ts. So we call those central labs because those are labs we draw and send to the company, to whatever lab they’re using to help with that stuff. Things like CBC, your blood counts, your kidneys, liver. Yes, those things are easy to get anywhere. There are multiple labs like Quest and Labcorp, etcetera, that can do those.

So I think those are things that we can help with. It’s the first 30 days of any CAR T study that for safety reasons right now, we still say you have to be at the center where you’re getting the CAR T on trial or even off a standard of care. And that’s more for if you get one of these toxicities like the delayed neurotox or an infection, that we can get you back into the hospital if needed or at least get you diagnosed really quickly and treated quickly.

But yes, after those 30 days, at least most of our CAR T studies really try to limit how often you have to come in. So once a month is pretty typical and then once every three months after the first couple of years, and then once a year if that. I hope that with the FDA and with our sponsors, our pharmaceutical companies that run these trials, that they can really help get these things, the logistics figured out, because that’s what it ends up being. Once you’re done with your first at least three months of CAR T, we know patients are going to do well. And it’s really about whatever labs and visits we need to do, how can we do them virtually? And again, if my sponsors and the FDA would allow that, we’d be really happy to.

And I know the FDA is all for it. They are trying to help increase access as well. And so some of the bigger centers like us, and I think Sloan Kettering and City of Hope and Mayo, we also have other centers that are outside of the main campus. So MD Anderson doesn’t have other hospitals the way Mayo does. So Mayo has Arizona, has Rochester, and Florida. MD Anderson has a sister network.

And so we’re hoping to tap into that one day, because there are places everywhere. And if we can do that, that would actually help get access to a lot of these novel therapies a lot faster to our patients. And within Houston, just being such a big city, we have four other centers out in the outskirts and we are trying to actually increase our abilities to do therapies there as well, including CAR T and bispecific therapies.

Lisa Hatfield:

Thank you for that, Dr. Patel. So one question, I have a follow-up question. If a patient has to travel, maybe they live in an area where there is no academic center, they’d have to travel for a clinical trial. And you mentioned the first 30 days. Are patients usually, one of the big challenges is financial, is a financial challenge. Are patients sometimes feeling well enough during that 30 days if they can work remotely? Can they work remotely while they’re at your institution for 30 days? Is that pretty typical or is that something you don’t see very often?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, no, that’s a great question. So we are trying to make the whole thing outpatient soon, and a lot of our trials are allowing for CAR T outpatient, and only if you get a fever, then we admit, most people do get admitted because most people get fevers from the CAR T, but for the most part patients still feel well, it’s not that they’re having this horrible nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, things that we think about with auto transplant, where people really can’t work because they’re just exhausted. The majority of our patients are bored in the hospital, it really is that we’re just there just in case the fever turns into something worse. So a lot of my patients who are still working actually do work remotely, I can think of a few just this past week that talked about the fact that they were able to do this.

And I think the other piece we have so many resources. And again, the big activation tip here is talk to your teams, if it’s not the doctor, at least the nurse practitioner or the nurses about resources, because through the pharmaceutical companies as well as things like LLS and other places, they actually have funds for people going through trials or CAR T therapies, etcetera, that we can help.

My nurse knows all these things that she knows how to start working and our social worker and our case managers, they all know all these things so that they can get you the resources you need and some of the centers, our academic centers have resources as well. We have housing for free, you have to sign up for it in advance, but you might be able to get housing for free for that whole 30 days, and so there’s a lot of different resources that you just have to ask about, and then again, through our social worker, case manager, nurses, and sponsors. We can actually get some of that for you too.

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Are There Myeloma Trials Investigating CAR T for Frontline Therapy?

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Is it possible for CAR T-cell therapy to be used as a frontline therapy? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center sits down with her patient, Lisa Hatfield to discuss CAR T-cell clinical trials, including CARTITUDE-4, KarMMa-2, and KarMMA-9, and trials currently under study. 

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“…talking to a myeloma specialist about different options that are out there for trials because different centers will have different trials that are open and you need someone to help you navigate with that. Which ones are the best ones for you? And then I would say talking to your patient advocacy groups, because that’s really where a lot of my patients hear the information. And then they come to me and say, ‘Listen, I heard this, what does it mean?’ And I think that really helps you kind of even know where to start from.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

So, Dr. Patel, for this next question, I’m going to preface it by saying that anybody that I have ever talked to in my advocacy work about myeloma and how to get care for myeloma, I’m a huge advocate for seeing a myeloma specialist. And I will tell everybody out there that Dr. Patel at MD Anderson is my myeloma specialist, and I’ve been with her since I was diagnosed in 2018. I live in an area where we don’t have any myeloma specialists. And so I’m an advocate for that. And anybody listening, I hope that they know that they can seek out the care of a specialist even for initial consult or even once throughout their journey.

Having said all that, I know Dr. Patel, because you’ve talked to me about them before, that you’re involved in some clinical trials for CAR T therapy. Can you talk a little bit about your trials that you’re doing right now that offer CAR T in earlier lines of therapy, including frontline therapy, and what this could mean for patients?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, no, I think the CAR T trials are what allowed us to even get to second and third line. The KarMMa-3 and  CARTITUDE-4 were the two trials that brought ide-cel (idecabtagene vicleucel) [Abecma] and cilta-cel (ciltacabtagene autoleucel) [Carvykti] forward, which is fantastic. And I think now it’s how can we improve even further? So some of our clinical trials are even earlier line, like you said, frontline. So we have one called KarMMa-9 that is for patients who have less than a VGPR, meaning that they didn’t get all their myeloma gone after their initial transplant, if they went to transplant, you can do consolidation with CAR T. And we’ve had a few patients that we did on a smaller study called KarMMa-2 that are doing really well after they were on that cohort for that study.

So that’s sort of why they’re doing a bigger study for FDA approval now. And then CAR T 2-5 and 6, we don’t have that at MD Anderson, but a lot of centers do. But that is now trying to see if cilta-cel can actually beat stem cell transplant, which again, a lot of us are really excited about, but we need to do the trial to make sure it’s just as safe and hopefully more efficacious. So I think those are really, really important. Auto-transplant, I was a transplanter when I first became faculty at MD Anderson.

And so I do think it has a role, but it’s high-dose chemo and there are secondary potential side effects that can happen. And people really have to kind of stop their lives for at least two, three months, if not longer, to go through that. Where in CAR T, I think it’s that quality of life piece. Again, it’s one and done. It doesn’t take as long to recover for the majority of patients. And it really is using immune therapy instead of chemo to kill that myeloma, right? So it is very different.

And we’ve seen some amazing depth of response for CAR T compared to what we see with the normal chemotherapy. So the other piece is how we have other trials that are doing earlier lines. So there’s new CAR Ts that are coming out, hopefully in the near future as a standard of care. So there’s one called ddBCMA. It’s a study by Arcellx. And the big news was that Kite, which is one of the big lymphoma CAR T companies, just took over to do their big Phase III study.

So hopefully we’ll have FDA approval for this in the next year with our Phase II study. But the Phase III will be in second line forward just like the CAR T 2-4 was. And this CAR T, it’s different in the way it’s built. And we really don’t see any of the neurotoxicity at all so far, which has been pretty impressive. But we see the same efficacy that we saw with cilta-cel. So this could be sort of best of both worlds, knock on wood. But so far we’ve seen some really great responses. And I think that trial being offered earlier will be great as well for a lot of our patients to get something that might be better than what we have already. The other trials are with other targets.

So we do have some studies that are looking at different targets instead of BCMA. So now we have patients who have already had CAR T with BCMA and over time, years, for the most part, they’re relapsing. And so now we have GPRC5D CAR Ts that are actually being combined with different things to then be able to give them a little bit earlier rather than waiting till after BCMA or fifth line, etcetera. So we have lots of trials looking at all different ways to combine CAR Ts or newer versions of the BCMA CAR Ts that I think are really, really exciting. And I think it’s really hard to keep up with this.

So my activation tip here is really talking to a myeloma specialist about different options that are out there for trials because different centers will have different trials that are open and you need someone to help you navigate with that. Which ones are the best ones for you? And then I would say talking to your patient advocacy groups, because that’s really where a lot of my patients hear the information. And then they come to me and say, “Listen, I heard this, what does it mean?” And I think that really helps you kind of even know where to start from.

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How Can Variable Patient Groups Be Addressed in CAR T?

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Can CAR T-cell therapy address variable patient groups? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses variances in different myeloma patient groups, the KarMMa-3 study, and proactive advice for patients.

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“…if you are in a area, let’s say rural America where you don’t have access or you are in a minority population, African American, Hispanic, etcetera, or older, frail patients who are older that are considered vulnerable as well, absolutely make sure to talk to your doctors about these novel therapies because you still can get them safely and they will work. They can work. You just have to go to a center where they know how to adjust those types of therapies to make sure you get the best options out there as well.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Patel, how might the heterogeneity of patient populations impact the standardization and reproducibility of CAR T therapy outcomes across different clinical settings, and what initiatives are in place to address this variability?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, I think that’s a great question because again, this is a personalized therapy. So it depends on what your myeloma is like, the genomics, the genetics of your myeloma, how aggressive is it, plus your T cells, right? And so everybody’s genetic ancestry, etcetera, is very different. So the idea of a personalized medicine, more than just even across groups of people, it’s at the individual level. And I think when you talk about different races or ethnicities, we have seen some differences in our real-world data, in very relapsed/refractory patients, where people can get great response rates still.

So, for instance, Caucasian patients versus African American patients, our response rates are still high in the 80s and 90 percent, but the toxicity is a little bit higher in our African American patients. It’s still not high grade. It’s not anything that makes me say, I’m not going to give this, but the baseline inflammatory markers are a little bit higher. And so once we get the CAR T, our patients tend to get a little bit more CRS.

They end up in the hospital a little bit longer. Now, again, this is a multivariate analysis and we couldn’t find any other difference, but when we look at KarMMa-3, which is one of our big studies that led to ide-cel (idecabtagene vicleucel) [Abecma] being approved early, we actually had an outcomes of African American patients only that we looked at and that we presented just this past TCT, and response rates were actually a little bit better.

Again, you can’t compare them because the numbers aren’t there to power that to compare, but numerically the numbers were better in terms of response rate, in terms of progression-free survival, it was actually more months that it beat the standard of care and we didn’t see more toxicity.

And so I think we do need to look at these things and make sure there’s not one group of patients has a lower efficacy for some reason, and why is that and how can we improve that? And so far, we don’t really see that. And the other is the toxicity piece, to make sure that these therapies that do cause some strange toxicities that we’re watching and seeing who might be more vulnerable to those toxicities, who do we need to maybe even prevent, do prevention strategies for, but so far we haven’t seen it.

And then I think coming back to the individual, right?So again, all of us have these different T cells that have different mutations in them, and some folks, for some reason, even with less myeloma, their T cells just expand really fast and other folks, they don’t. And so in the future to get best outcomes, we need to see how we can turn the volume lower for those folks who have really sensitive T cells.

And for those who don’t, how do we, what else can we add in combination to actually increase those T cells so that they’re actually doing a better job at killing the myeloma, right? And including the microenvironment too. So I think there’s a lot of translational work as well as the epidemiology side of things to say, okay, how do we first diagnose the problem, find the problems, and then how do we figure out how to intervene to then improve outcomes for all our patients? I think the activation tip here is that if you are in a area, let’s say rural America where you don’t have access or you are in a minority population, African American, Hispanic, etcetera, or older, frail patients who are older that are considered vulnerable as well, absolutely make sure to talk to your doctors about these novel therapies because you still can get them safely and they will work. They can work. You just have to go to a center where they know how to adjust those types of therapies to make sure you get the best options out there as well.

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For CAR T-cell therapy, what patient types are good candidates? Expert Dr. Krina Patel from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center discusses patient situations that qualify them for CAR T-cell therapy and shares proactive patient advice.

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“I think a lot of people have this misunderstanding that CAR T isn’t for everybody, but I will say it’s actually more likely that you’re going to be eligible for CAR T over auto transplant. So I think it’s just bringing it up, talking to them, and seeing a specialist to discuss which ones are the right one for you and when to go.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Patel, given that CAR T is approved for earlier lines of therapy, can you describe the type of disease characteristics of patients that are likely to be considered first for CAR T?

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, I think it’s a really exciting time, we got approval for two different CAR Ts that were approved in fifth line. So patients had to relapse four times before they could get to CAR T therapy. And now one of them, cilta-cel ciltacabtagene autoleucel [Carvykti], is approved in second line, so people have to relapse once before they can get it.

And the other CAR T, ide-cel (idecabtagene vicleucel) [Abecma], is approved in third line, so you have to relapse twice. There are reasons why that is the way it is, but both of these CAR Ts are pretty fantastic, and we’re really excited that more patients will now have access. As you can imagine, relapsing once, it’s already hard enough to then say, okay, I need a different therapy, but to go through four times before you can do something like CAR T is really, really important.

So I think the biggest characteristic, and I would say for my patients, it’s really their ability to keep their myeloma controlled for at least six to eight weeks, potentially, right? Because this is a personalized therapy, unlike most other myeloma therapies where we have to take the T cells out, we have to then send them to a lab to make the CARs, then it takes about four to six weeks to get them back. During that time, I just have to know that your myeloma can stay controlled or even improve with whatever bridging therapy we decide to do during that time.

And we know that when patients have myeloma that is on its way down, that it’s actually improving, by the time they get to the CAR T therapy, the infusion part, they tend to do better in terms of efficacy, but also have less toxicity. So there’s a few different toxicities that we can talk about with CAR T that are very distinct compared to most other therapies, that again, if you have less disease burden, the rates of that toxicity and the high-grade toxicity goes away, right? It’s much, much lower than if you have a lot of myeloma coming in.

So, again, for my patients who have disease that I know I have other therapies to keep it knocked down or to knock it down during that bridging, that really is the main difference between, can I take this patient to CAR T or not? But I think there’s some nuances too, again, that idea that one CAR T is approved in second line, another one is approved in third line, I do think they’ve never been tested head to head, so we don’t have data in a clinical trial, but in the real world, we’ve used both of these products, a lot of us have, and I think most of us will say that one of the products is probably stronger, it probably works better cilta-cel, and that is the one that’s approved in second line, which is great.

So for my fit patients who don’t have a lot of comorbidities, who do really have high-risk disease that I need to be as aggressive as possible and do something very different, hands down, it makes sense that cilta-cel is the right thing to do right at second line, but the toxicity is also a little bit higher with that, meaning that patients are more likely to potentially get some of these strange neurotoxicities that we see, that we didn’t really see before with other therapies, some of our myeloma patients get neuropathy and we think about that as neurotoxicity, but this is different.

This is more patients after 30 days of having had their T cells can all of a sudden get a facial palsy where they’re having drooping of their face and it can affect their eating and their speaking. Now those things are not fatal, we can treat it with steroids, things like that, but they can affect your quality of life. And if it doesn’t resolve, that can affect down the road, all the other therapies we want to give you, right? But the more dangerous one is something called delayed Parkinsonianism or delayed motor neurotoxicities.

And again, we know the best prevention of that is decreasing the myeloma burden before going to CAR T, but if we can’t do that or some patients can still potentially get this Parkinsonianism, we really want to make sure there’s a risk-benefit discussion, right? That we say, okay, this is why we should go in second line.

Again, the risk is less than 1 percent now based on how we’ve done things for prevention. But on the other hand, with ide-cel, most of our patients, even on dialysis, our patients that are getting CAR T and doing well, patients with heart failure, I’ve had a 90-year-old go through ide-cel without any issues and have great responses. So I think both of these offer, one of the first times they offer time without any therapy for myeloma. And so I would say this is something most of my patients should ask their physicians about, but really then it’s nuanced in terms of when we should do it and which product.

Lisa Hatfield:

Okay, thank you. And do you have an activation tip for that question, Dr. Patel?

Dr. Krina Patel:  

Yeah, so I think the activation tip here is bring it up, bring up CAR T to your doctors, right? I think a lot of people have this misunderstanding that CAR T isn’t for everybody, but I will say it’s actually more likely that you’re going to be eligible for CAR T over auto transplant. So I think it’s just bringing it up, talking to them, and seeing a specialist to discuss which ones are the right one for you and when to go.

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This animated video reviews the types of myeloma, essential testing following a myeloma diagnosis, and advice for working with your healthcare team for the best overall care.

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Transcript:

Bianca: 

Welcome back! I’m Bianca, and I’m a nurse. I specialize in caring for people with myeloma. And this is Suzanne, a myeloma patient advocate.  

In this video, we are going to learn more about diagnosis and testing, and how test results may impact myeloma care. 

Suzanne: 

That’s right, Bianca. Most patients want to–and should– understand their diagnosis. Let’s start with the basics. Can you explain the different types of myeloma? 

Bianca: 

You bet. Let’s start with MGUS, which stands for monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance. MGUS typically has no signs or symptoms and is characterized by an abnormal protein in the blood or urine. This type of myeloma doesn’t require treatment but should be monitored regularly. 

Smoldering myeloma is a very slow-growing type of myeloma. It also does not present with symptoms. Patients with smoldering myeloma have a higher chance of needing treatment, so blood and urine studies are ordered regularly. 

And then there’s multiple myeloma, which is a buildup of plasma cells in the bone marrow that crowds out healthy cells, and causes symptoms and other problems in the body. Multiple myeloma requires treatment, and there are a number of approaches available. 

Suzanne: 

Thanks for explaining the difference. When I was initially diagnosed, I underwent a series of tests that included a blood test, bone marrow biopsy, urine test, and imaging.  

Bianca: 

Those are the standard tests when diagnosing myeloma. Your healthcare team should also order a more in-depth FISH test, which comes from the bone marrow biopsy sample, and FISH  testing can provide a better understanding of your disease. This is important because the results may impact your treatment options. 

Suzanne: 

Right—and it’s important ensure that you have had all necessary testing including this more in-depth test. You should also review the lab results with your healthcare team. You can ask questions like:  

  • Am I high-risk or low-risk?  
  • What do the results mean? 
  • How will the results impact my options for therapy? 
  • And, how often should testing be repeated? 

Bianca: 

That’s good advice, Suzanne. All of the information gathered during your diagnosis, or following a relapse, should be considered as well as your overall health when deciding on a care plan.   

And, as you’ve modeled, working with your healthcare team to make therapy choices is essential. This is a process called shared decision-making, which basically means that patients and their providers collaborate on healthcare decisions. Participating in this process encourages patients to engage in their care, helping them to feel more confident about the approaches they choose. 

Suzanne: 

That’s right! Working WITH my healthcare team makes me feel included and brings peace of mind when considering my options.  

Bianca: 

That’s the way it should be—you should always be at the center of your care. So, when considering a plan with your healthcare team, here are a few key steps: 

  • Start by understanding your diagnosis. 
  • Develop a good relationship with your healthcare team so that you can participate in your care. 
  • Ensure you have had all essential testing, including in-depth testing. 
  • Discuss the tests results with your doctor and ask questions about what they mean. 
  • And, as always, do research on your own and confirm what you’ve learned with your healthcare team. 

Suzanne: 

And don’t forget to visit powerfulpatients.org/myeloma to view more videos with Bianca and me. Thank you for joining us!  

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What are myeloma targets, and how do they impact the effectiveness of therapy? Dr. Krina Patel explains how treatments like bispecific antibodies and CAR T-cell therapy are using myeloma targets such as BCMA (B-cell maturation antigen) and GPRC5D (G protein-coupled receptor 5D) to kill myeloma cells. 

Dr. Krina Patel is an Associate Professor in the Department of Lymphoma/Myeloma at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. Dr. Patel is involved in research and cares for patients with multiple myeloma.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

We know that the currently approved bispecific antibody therapies target BCMA and GPRC5D. What are these targets precisely and how do they impact the effectiveness of the treatment? 

Dr. Krina Patel:

No, it’s a great question.  

And, again, so BCMA we’ve had for a little bit longer.  

We’ve known about it for a little bit longer, B cell maturation antigen, which definitely we’ve used as much as we can. So, we’ve had CAR Ts for it. We’ve had bispecifics for it. We’ve had antibody drug conjugates that we’ve attached to it. 

So, it’s a really good target that is mostly just on myeloma cells and on very few other cells in the body, for the most part, which is why it makes such a great target. The side effects really should happen only specifically against the myeloma; so, less side effects in terms of toxicity. That’s not 100 percent the case.  

BCMA is in some other tissues, like maybe the nerves, and that’s why maybe we see this toxicity sometimes, potentially in the GI system. Some patients can have it in other places. If you have myeloma in, let’s say, areas like the kidney. If you have a plasmacytoma, it can go to the kidney, things like that.  

But again, for the most part, mostly on myeloma. And what’s really important about these targets is, once you get a treatment for it, what happens to that target. So, that’s a little bit different between these two targets. So, BCMA is a part of the proliferation of myeloma cells. So, it actually helps the myeloma cell survive. And so, the myeloma cells really want that BCMA on there. Now, for CAR T, for the most part, we don’t see people losing BCMA. We might see it go down in the myeloma cells that are left. For some patients, the expression can go down. But for the most part, we’ll see it come back up a few months later if the myeloma’s coming back.  

The way that resistance happens with BCMA is that, when people are on bispecifics, the other treatment, we can sometimes see the BCMA get mutated. And then, maybe the other therapies we have won’t go after it any more.  

So, again, it’s not common, but that’s sorta something we look at when we talk about sequencing therapy or which therapy should we use first. Then, GPRC5D’s a little different.  

So, again, mostly just on myeloma cells. But here, we do know it’s on something called epithelial cells, which is skin, nails, tongue. And that’s why some of the side effects that we see, especially with the bispecific that’s a standard of care already, talquetamab, is skin and nail changes. So, people can get sloughing of their hands and nails; that can get disrupted. And then, taste. People can actually have some significant taste loss, to the point that they can have weight loss from it.  

So, this is why that part is so important that if we have patients with these side effects, we need to hold the drug or decrease it; so, make sure we can turn those around. And then, the way GPRC5D is we think that it’s a little bit more likely that you can lose it once you get a treatment with GPRC5D that the myeloma can actually learn how to shed the antigen.  

So, again, this really becomes important when we talk about combination and sequencing of all these different therapies we have and what’s the best way to do it so that patients can have the best response and the longest response.

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What progress is being made in furthering advancing CAR T-cell therapy for myeloma? Dr. Krina Patel discusses the manufacturing process for CAR T-cells, research updates for manufacturing CAR T-cells faster, and the benefits of bridging therapy for some patients. 

Dr. Krina Patel is an Associate Professor in the Department of Lymphoma/Myeloma at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. Dr. Patel is involved in research and cares for patients with multiple myeloma.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

Are there other advances in CAR T-cell therapy that patients should know about?  

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah, so I think part of the issue right now is manufacturing and how long it takes for patients to get those cells. So, we use it to our advantage in the sense that earlier-line patients will have bridging therapy that we can give them while we’ve collected their cells and they’re being made; it takes are 4 to 6 weeks, or even eight weeks sometimes that we can give them a therapy that can knock their myeloma down before they get the CAR T.  

And again, this is really important that we have options available. So, in fifth-line we don’t have very many options available. So, a lot of my patients, we really are just struggling to keep the myeloma controlled, try to bring it down before they get their CAR T. We’re hoping that that CAR T comes in any day.  

When it goes earlier, I’m hopeful that now we’ll have options to actually bridge patients better because we’ll have more therapies they haven’t had. And the reason that bridging is so important is it really does decrease toxicity, some of the serious toxicity with see with CAR T; significantly decreases it.

And the efficacy. We see patients will do much better for longer if they have less myeloma going in than lot of myeloma going in. And so, again, I think because of that time, if we could get those cells earlier, that just makes it so much easier for all our patients to make sure that they’re able to get the cells. So, there’s quite a few different trials looking at fast CAR T production.  

And so, there’s the PH383, I think. I can’t remember the number exactly. But this is one of the studies that was happening at Dana-Farber, and Dr. Sperling has presented couple time. The cells are made within just 24, 48 hours. And then, they actually go in and as they’re killing the myeloma, they grow.  

So, they grow inside the body which is really, really, I think, a interesting way to develop CAR Ts for the future, make it more applicable and accessible. And then, there’s other companies in China. There’s the FasT CAR, which is a CD-19 plus BCMA, so two targets. But again, they can make their CAR Ts within a week.

And in the end, you have to still do quality checks for the FDA, which still take two weeks. So, it always will still be a few weeks, but still, the faster you can make those CAR’s, the more likely our patients are gonna be able to get it. And then, I think the combination studies. Again, there’s gonna be studies with different targets. So, there’s two CAR Ts, again, GPRC5D, that are going to be tested in the U.S.  

A phase two study. And then, also another phase one study. And then, the phase two study, that GPRC5D CAR T is going to have combination studies coming out very, very soon. Actually, it’s already open in some places, and more places that are opening soon.  

So, I think, yes, a lot’s going on again with new antigens and combinations. 

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How can patients learn more about joining myeloma CAR T-cell therapy clinical trials? Dr. Krina Patel shares advice for identify and accessing these trials, noting that seeking care with a myeloma specialist can be most helpful. 

Dr. Krina Patel is an Associate Professor in the Department of Lymphoma/Myeloma at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. Dr. Patel is involved in research and cares for patients with multiple myeloma.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

How can patients find and access clinical trials that are looking at CAR T-cell as an earlier line of therapy?  

Dr. Krina Patel:

That’s a great question. So, I think going to any place that is myeloma specific. So, basically a big center that has doctors that are doing myeloma research, they will be able to definitely get you into places that have some of these trials. But clinicaltrials.gov is one other place. It’s really hard. I will tell you that, if I wasn’t a physician or in medicine, I don’t think I would learn, I would be able to navigate it very well.  

And so, really either through your doctor and having them look this up for you, or going to patient groups. So, again, a lot of my patients are part of different patient groups where people will say, “Well, this is a trial that I was” or “This is a trial that my doctor told me about.” And then, asking. So, that’s the other big thing is constantly asking your doctor “What are my other options?” getting second opinions from myeloma experts, and then just paying attention to some of these resources that you have available. Right now, there are gonna be more clinical trials for earlier-line therapies and first-line with both cilta-cel and ide-cel.  

There’s going to be clinical trials with new products: ddBCMA CAR T, that is likely gonna come out soon for earlier-line therapies. And so, there’s a lot happening, and so there might be different clinical trials in different places. But I think the fact that all this is going on at once is really important for our patients to know about. 

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Will CAR T-Cell Therapy Be Approved for Earlier Lines of Myeloma Treatment? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Is there an opportunity for myeloma patients to gain access to CAR T-cell therapy sooner? Dr. Krina Patel discusses the results of clinical studies for CAR T-cell therapy and the potential for patients receiving the treatment earlier in their myeloma journey.

Dr. Krina Patel is an Associate Professor in the Department of Lymphoma/Myeloma at The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. Dr. Patel is involved in research and cares for patients with multiple myeloma.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

Dr. Patel, current CAR T-cell therapy is FDA approved for patients who have had several lines of treatment. 

But we know that there are a number of trials that are exploring this treatment in earlier lines. So, what is the progress on these trials? 

Dr. Krina Patel:

Yeah. So, I think we have two major ones that have already been done and we’ve heard the results from. So, CARTITUDE-4 was for cilta-cel in second to fourth-line; so, patients who have relapsed once, all the way up to three times.  

And then, KarMMa-3, which is ide-cel, which was one line later. So, that was third-line to fifth-lines; so, relapsed twice to four times. So, little bit different patient populations in the two trials. The trials were different in that patients had different therapies before too.  

But both were positive studies which was what was really exciting. So, in CARTITUDE-4 patients were randomized, meaning they got either the CAR T or they got a standard of care option. And the CAR T won by a lot. This was, we call, hazard ratios.  

But basically, the amount of different of patients surviving when they got CAR T without myeloma versus the standard of care was one of the biggest differences we’ve ever seen in a clinical trial for multiple myeloma. So, it’s – 

Katherine:

Wow. 

Dr. Krina Patel:

– something really pretty amazing. And then, KarMMa-3, that trial, same thing. There’s a huge difference in the patients who got CAR T versus the standard of care. The standard of care options were different in the two trials for the most part. So, again, different patient populations and different standard of care options, but the other big thing that the KarMMa-3 study did was they allowed for patients who are on the standard of care that, once they were relapsing, they could get the CAR T.  

And so, because we have this crossover the big controversial thing that came up was, “Well, patients aren’t necessarily living longer by getting CAR T earlier. As long as they get CAR T they do really well.” And so, that is why there was a big meeting with the FDA what we call the ODAC meeting.  

So, they had both companies present their trials to the FDA and to this advisory board that they had called ODAC, and thankfully it was positive. So, both studies were positive in terms of the advisory board saying that they agreed these should be moved up forward.  

So, now we’re just waiting and hoping the FDA approves them so that we can actually give it to patients. I think the biggest reason is access. So, we know that when patients are fifth-line, which is when it’s approved now, not everybody makes it to fifth-line. It’s really hard to get through all these therapies and then still be healthy enough to do this versus if it’s approved in second and third-line, that just means so many people can actually get these therapies and available to them.  

And the other big thing is the quality-of-life piece for CAR T. It’s been such a big difference when patients get a break from therapy for a year or two years or longer compared to being on continuous therapy. And so, both studies have had quality of life studies come out as well showing that difference between the standard of care versus the CAR T.  

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Why should you speak up when it comes to your myeloma care? Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi discusses the importance of sharing issues with your healthcare team in order to access support and resources that can help. 

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi is a hematologist and oncologist specializing in myeloma at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida. Learn more about Dr. Ailawadhi.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

I would like to talk more about self-advocacy, Dr. Ailawadhi, managing the worry associated with a diagnosis, concerns about relapse, side effects. It can lead to emotional symptoms like anxiety and fear for many. So, why is it important for patients to share any worries they’re having with their healthcare team?   

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Yes.  Extremely important. See, nobody’s thinking, “Okay, I’m going to have cancer today.” Nobody’s prepared for it ever. Cancer is always a diagnosis that comes out of the blue, blindsides us, and then suddenly we have to change the rest of our life because of it.  Not only our life, our caregiver’s life, family’s life, everything changes.  

So, it is okay to admit that it is difficult. It is okay to admit that we need help. And, Katherine, I like your kind of the use of the word, self-advocacy, although I want to qualify it.  

A lot of times we say patients got to be their own advocates. But if a patient doesn’t know what to ask, they’re going to be lost. My thought is it is okay to – the first and foremost that a patient or their caregiver can do is please report your symptoms or how you’re feeling.  And those symptoms could be physical, those could be psychological.  Please report what are you feeling, what are the symptoms. On a drug, what are the side effects, et cetera, so that your healthcare team can try to address them. Don’t ever assume, “I am on chemotherapy. I should have diarrhea.”  No. Don’t think, “I’m on chemotherapy. Other patients outside in the waiting room look sicker than I. I feel embarrassed to ask a question.”  

We hear this so many times. A lot of patients will say, “I feel embarrassed to ask that I’m going through this symptom, because I see sicker people outside.” Yeah, but know when I’m with you as a patient, you are it. I’m not thinking about anybody else. And I don’t want anybody else’s decision to obscure or cloud our relationship at that visit.  Please report your symptoms. Please ask for help. 

To me, that is good enough self-advocacy. Self-advocacy is not saying, “I should get this treatment, not that treatment.” But self-advocacy could mean, are there clinical trial options?  I know I live far away from a large center. Could I get a tele-visit with a large center? Could I get a second opinion from someone? Those are all very, very reasonable questions, and by asking those questions, a patient is advocating for themselves.  

Katherine:

As you alluded, there’s a whole healthcare team working with each patient, and there’ll be people on that team who can help support a patient’s emotional needs.  So, one thing that’s on the mind of many viewers is the financial aspect of care. And you mentioned that earlier everyone’s situation is different, of course, but where can patients turn if they need resources for financial support?  

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Very important question. I can tell you every day when I come into my office, my nurse has a stack of documents ready for my signature.  Every single day. Today, there was only one, but there could be different numbers. And these are generally from foundations from diagnosis confirmations, et cetera. Things that we are filling on and signing on behalf of our patients so that they are able to receive resources, whether it’s from a pharmaceutical manufacturer, a foundation, or society that has funding available, et cetera. I should start by saying, Katherine – and I feel embarrassed to admit this, but I should start by saying, I may not have all the answers for my patient during that visit.   

But I think the very important piece where we can start is asking the patient, “Is this causing any financial strain on you?”  As I mentioned earlier, we don’t think about, “Oh, I’m going to have cancer today. Let me prepare for that.” Or “I’m going to have cancer five years down the road. Let me prepare for that.” We’re not always ready for this. It’s okay. It’s important for me to ask if there is a problem, and it’s important for the patient to admit there’s a problem or say, “Well, I’m having difficulty with copayments.” And whatever may be difficult for one may be okay for the other. So, I shouldn’t assume.  So, that discussion must happen.  

Generally, in our setup, what happens is if the patient brings up a concern, if I identify a concern, or if we think something may be going on, but we’re not very sure about it, we tend to bring in our social workers. The social workers are typically the ones who are able to do that discussion with the patient, talk about what are the resources available. What are the foundations that we can apply to?

We have patient navigators who can do the similar things. So, the patient navigator, social worker, there are different individuals who will be able to provide much more granular information. I also strongly suggest patients to join support groups.  

There are lots of resources, which I may not be aware of during our visit with a patient, but I can connect to the social worker, their patient navigators, and online support.    

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How are myeloma symptoms and treatment side effects managed? Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi discusses the importance of addressing symptoms, management approaches, and the necessity of communication between the patient and their healthcare team to ensure optimal care. 

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi is a hematologist and oncologist specializing in myeloma at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida. Learn more about Dr. Ailawadhi.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

So, the symptoms of myeloma, as well as the side effects of certain medications, can vary greatly among those being treated. How do you approach symptom management with your patients?   

Dr. Ailawadhi:

It is extremely important that we focus on the symptoms, whether it’s coming from the disease or it’s coming from the treatment. Because frankly, if a person is responding to the treatment, you want them to stay on the treatment for a longer duration of time, so the disease can stay controlled.  If we don’t handle the symptoms from the treatment or the side effects that are happening or if the disease is causing too many symptoms, it is more likely that either we’ll start cutting down the drug too much or stopping the treatment, et cetera, and then the disease just comes back. In some cases, that is necessary, but generally we would like to modulate the treatment or address the symptoms.  

So, one important piece that we should do, or at least we try to do over here, is that every single time that we talk to the patient for any of the visits – while there is enough time spent on, “Well, these are your labs, your diseases responding markers, SPEP, and M spike, and light chain,” and all that stuff – we spend a lot of time asking about symptoms.  

It is, I understand, challenging to cover everything, but to familiarize what drugs cause what kind of symptoms, and at least making sure that we ask those from the patient.  For example, IMiDs like lenalidomide (Revlimid) can cause some diarrhea, can cause fatigue, can cause sleepiness. Well, I must ask about diarrhea from all my lenalidomide patients.  

Bortezomib (Velcade) can cause neuropathy.  It can give rise to shingles. I must ask my patients for every bortezomib-treated patient. “Hey, do you have any neuropathy numbness, or tingling?  

Are you taking your medication to prevent shingles, et cetera?” I’m just saying we may not be able to do a comprehensive review of every single symptom from every single patient, but whatever the target side effects are important to know every single time. We educate the patients about these side effects so that they are aware of them, and they can report these side effects. And then, if the side effects are happening, any symptoms are happening, then is it to the point that we need to stop the treatment?  

Frequently, we do take drug holidays for a few weeks just to make sure, okay, we know is it coming from the drug or the disease? And every now and then, we realize, well, the drug was not even causing the symptom, because we stopped it, and the symptom stayed. Or so then, why stop the drug? There’s no point stopping it if I can’t control the symptom.

So, understanding whether it’s coming from disease or drug or something else, addressing them, making the changes appropriately to lower the dose, space them out, et cetera. All of that is done. And of course, like I said, importantly, educating the patient is so very important. I’ll add one quick thing. We focus on the drug-related effects.  

As you rightly mentioned, Katherine, the disease itself can cause a lot of symptoms. So, generally, when I see a new myeloma patient, in the first couple of visits, we’ve done all the testing, we’ve discussed the treatment, and we’ve addressed some of the basic symptoms like pain, for example. That is big in myeloma.

But then, when the patient has started treatment, generally within the first two months, the focus that our clinic has is we need to control any side effects, and we need to address any symptoms that are being left over from the disease. And that’s when we start referring patients to interventional radiology for any bone procedures or palliative care for pain control or neurology for neuropathy, whatever so that we are controlling all the symptoms.  

And that’s when we hopefully get the patient as close to their baseline as possible.   

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What are the current myeloma treatment approaches? Myeloma expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi shares an overview of treatment options, the necessity of combination therapy in myeloma, and the role of clinical trials in patient care. 

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi is a hematologist and oncologist specializing in myeloma at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida. Learn more about Dr. Ailawadhi.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

What are the types of treatments available for people with myeloma?   

Dr. Ailawadhi:

So, myeloma has a lot of treatments available.  We can classify these treatments into different classes of drugs, or we can classify the treatment as early lines or late lines of therapy. Or we can classify these treatments into cellular therapy or targeted therapy or chemotherapy. There are ways of classifying it.  What I would suggest is we should think about classes of drugs.  We have something called proteasome inhibitors. That class has three drugs FDA-approved. We have something called immunomodulatory drugs. That class has three drugs also approved, but generally, we use two.   

Then, there are something called monoclonal antibodies. There are three drugs approved there as well.    

There are cellular therapies or CAR T-cell therapy. There are two of them approved.  There is also a stem cell transplant that is used as a part of treatment sometimes but is different from CAR T. Then, there are other immunotherapy, something called T-cell engagers, in which also there are three drugs approved. In fact, as I’m saying to you, I’m trying to think…yeah, wow. Every class has three drugs. That’s so weird. And then, there are some other classes of drugs. There is something called exporting inhibitors. There is a drug there. All said and done, there are these different classes of drugs.  

There are some guiding principles for myeloma treatment. Generally, three to four drug combinations or regimens are better than two drugs. So, a patient should be in the initial therapy or later lines. Also, preferably be getting a three-drug combo. And I forgot to mention steroids, which are an important part of every regimen in myeloma, almost every regimen. So, three drugs or four drugs are better than two. That’s important to keep in mind. Longer durations of treatment are generally considered better.  We should not tinker with the regimen’s recipe too soon. As long as the patient is tolerating for a longer duration before making any major changes like maintenance.  

Generally, maintenance in myeloma is not a response-assessed thing like, “Oh, you’ve responded in two months. We should go to maintenance.” Generally, in myeloma, maintenance transition is a time-dependent thing. Okay, you’ve had six or nine months or 12 months. We can go to maintenance, sort of a thing. So, even if somebody has responded, they may need the same treatment for a longer period of time to keep the disease quiet.  

And so, I think these are the different categories of drugs. We pick and choose from different categories to combine and make a regimen. The CAR T-cell therapy, the two CAR Ts that are approved, or the three T-cell engagers that are approved, they are all currently used as single agents. They are not combined with anything, not even with steroids. 

Katherine:

How do clinical trials fit into a treatment plan?    

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Okay, that’s an extremely important question, and you’re asking it from a person in my clinic about two-thirds of the patients who are on treatment at any given time are on clinical trials. So, I am very heavily, I shouldn’t say biased, but a proponent of clinical trials. In my opinion, clinical trials are a part and parcel of treatment for every single patient. In fact, when you look at the NCCN guidelines, which are National Comprehensive Cancer Network, which is large institutions across the country, and they make guidelines for all cancers, it is mentioned in every single setting that clinical trials should always be considered.  

So, I personally feel that whenever the patient is coming up with a treatment decision, we talked about shared decision-making in the beginning, it’s important for them to ask at every single juncture, “Do you have any clinical trials available for me? 

And if you don’t have any clinical trials available, are there any clinical trials that I should consider, even if it means going to a different place and getting an opinion?” I know logistically it’s challenging, but we should at least know our options. So, in my opinion, clinical trials should be considered at every single juncture, because that is how patients get access to either a new drug, a new treatment, or a different way of using the current drugs, which might actually improve upon their current state. So, everybody all the time should consider clinical trials.    

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What should patients know about myeloma treatment and testing? Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi shares an overview of myeloma testing and discusses the importance of getting key questions answered by your healthcare team. 

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi is a hematologist and oncologist specializing in myeloma at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida. Learn more about Dr. Ailawadhi.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

What sort of tests should be done following a myeloma diagnosis?   

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Generally, when myeloma is suspected, we need to know what the basic blood counts are, something that is called a CBC, complete blood count. We’re looking for anemia, low white blood cells, low clotting cells, or platelets. We want to do serum chemistries or blood chemistries, looking for kidney function, liver function, electrolytes, calcium, et cetera.  

Then, we want to do some kind of an imaging of the body. Generally, routine X-rays are no longer done, and the most preferred is a PET-CT scan, a PET scan. We do PET-MRIs frequently. So, there are different tests available, but you want a good test to know what’s the state of bones and presence of any lesions or tumors. And then, the important question comes is doing a bone marrow biopsy.   

The reason for doing a bone marrow biopsy, and even if somebody has had a biopsy done from a compression fracture, et cetera, that diagnosed myeloma, a bone marrow biopsy still should be done. It gives us a lot of pieces of information.  

It tells us what is the percentage of plasma cells in the bone marrow. So, what is the disease burden we are starting with? Secondly, that bone marrow biopsy specimen can be sent for what is called a FISH testing, which is fluorescent in situ hybridization.  

It is basically looking for any mutations in the cancer cells. Based on those mutations, myeloma can be classified into standard or high-risk myeloma. And sometimes our treatment choices are differed based on whether somebody is standard or high-risk. So, blood work, basic counts – and I skipped over one of the things. Right after chemistries, I wanted to add also are myeloma markers.  

There are typically three lab tests of myeloma markers. One is called protein electrophoresis. It can be run in blood and urine. Ideally, it should be run in both. One is immunoglobulin levels, which gives us the level of IgG, IgA, IgM, et cetera. And the third one is serum-free light chains, which is kappa and lambda light chains. Neither one – none of these tests eliminates the needs for the other.

So, everybody, in the beginning, should have complete blood count, blood chemistries, SPEP or serum protein electrophoresis, urine electrophoresis, immunoglobulins, light chains, imaging, and then a bone marrow. This completes the workup. Then, based on that, the treatment can be determined.  

 Katherine:

Well, you mentioned lab work. How often should tests and blood work be done?   

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Good question. Very, very important question because we see very frequently that the patients come in, they’re getting treatment somewhere, and every single time the patient steps foot in the door of that institution or wherever they’re going, they got a blood draw. That’s how they start their day. It’s needed more frequently in the beginning but needed less frequently later on.

Generally, the myeloma markers, those protein electrophoresis, immunoglobulins, light chains, they are frequently done just about every month. Generally, in myeloma, one month, three to four weeks is one cycle. So, at the beginning of every cycle, you want to know how good your response was. So, the myeloma markers once a month.  

The blood counts and chemistries in the first month, first one to two months, they can be done every other week or so just to make sure counts are fine, no need for transfusions, kidney/liver is okay, et cetera. But after the first couple of months, when the body is used to the drugs when the patient is settled with the treatment, frankly, once-a-month labs are good enough. We don’t really need labs on every single treatment visit. Because the other thing that happens is some of these drugs can lower the blood counts normally during treatment, but they have a rest period at the end of the cycle when the counts recover.   

So, if somebody does labs in the middle of the cycle when the counts are expected to be down but not an issue, treatments are stopped, and growth factors are given. And this is done, but that is not really necessary. So, first couple of one to two cycles, maybe every other week to make sure counts are okay. Myeloma markers monthly, but after the first couple of months when things are settled, once a month should be sufficient. 

Katherine:

Okay. What questions should patients be asking about their test results?    

Dr. Ailawadhi:

Yeah. Very, very, very important. In fact, whenever I’m speaking in a patient caregiver symposium or anything, I spend a lot of time on these test results because frankly, a lot of times it sounds like jargon and the people talk about, “Oh, my ratio is going up,” or the doctor is saying, “Hey, your immunoglobulins are normal. You’re in remission.” But so, I think the patients need to understand and ask from their doctors, “What is my marker of the disease that you will be following?” And I’ll tell you that immunoglobulins, that IgG or IgA level, is nearly never the marker. It’s either M spike or light chains, generally one of those.  

So, the patients need to understand what is their marker. They also need to know what did their bone marrow show. What was the percentage and what was the FISH result or cytogenetic result? I think other than the tests, I will also add the patients need to ask their doctor a lot of these questions that you’re asking me. How frequently are the labs going to be done? Why is it important?  Why was a certain treatment selected? What is the expected outcome? What are the chances that I can go into remission? How long does the intense treatment stay?  

When does it go to some kind of a maintenance? Et cetera, et cetera. Basically, you want to understand everything about the disease and its treatment. It is overwhelming. This is a lot of information. A lot of times the patients may say, “Well, I got a diagnosis. I got a treatment started. I just need to move on.”  That’s right. But once you spend all that time initially understanding your diagnosis and the treatment and the disease, it’ll make the rest of the journey much, much easier.