What Steps Can Patients Take to Combat Cervical Cancer Disparities?

Cervical cancer disparities persist, but how can patients help improve disparities? Expert Dr. Shannon MacLaughlan from University of Illinois discusses the value of patient advocacy, elevating patient voices, and proactive patient advice for self-care. 

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“…focus on yourself. I take care of women almost exclusively, and they’re the mamas and the sisters and the daughters, and they’re the caregivers, and they are focusing on everyone else. And now it’s time to focus on yourself and get yourself through this and then circle back, and we’ll start taking care of everybody else together.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. MacLaughlan, what are the next steps in addressing the disparities you’ve identified in cervical cancer diagnosis and management, and how can patients be involved in this process?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

The most important thing that a patient can do is take care of themselves and get through your treatment successfully. You are a survivor of that cancer the moment you hear the word cancer. The moment you get that diagnosis, you are a survivor, and you focus on that. Try not to isolate yourself, because this is a team, it’s a team sport. Your medical team should have a team, and you should have a team.

Then, when you are feeling healthy, and when you are energized, I need you to spread the word. The most impactful way a patient can contribute to breaking down barriers is to start from the inside, to share your story, to talk about it. Advocacy can be as simple as going home and talking to your family about the kind of cancer that you have, how it started, what they can do to prevent it, what they can do to prevent it in their kids. Just start there, and then when we get you healthy again, then it’s time to elevate your voice.

I feel strongly that when we see disparities in outcomes related to cancer, it is the fault of the system, and it’s a little too easy and maybe not realistic to tell a patient to advocate for yourself with your doctor, because you might not have a choice in your doctors, and that’s just easier said than done. The system has to take ownership. We have to take ownership, and we have to learn from you.

And so those of us trying to break down these inequities and introduce some justice, particularly in the world of cervical cancer, we aim to elevate the voices of the people with the lived experiences and the communities who are experiencing it, because most often patients come to my office and they say, even though this was a thing, I didn’t even know we had our own ribbon. I hand out ribbons to patients with cervical cancer because they’re survivors. I need them to talk about it.

I need them to talk about it in their communities so that they know it’s a thing, and they hold us accountable. So my action item is, one, focus on yourself. I take care of women almost exclusively, and they’re the mamas and the sisters and the daughters, and they’re the caregivers, and they are focusing on everyone else. And now it’s time to focus on yourself and get yourself through this and then circle back, and we’ll start taking care of everybody else together.


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Why Does Access to Care Matter in Cervical Cancer Treatment?

What is the role of socioeconomic status in advanced cervical cancer treatment? Expert Dr. Shannon MacLaughlan from University of Illinois discusses impacts of socioeconomic status and psychosocial determinants of health on cervical cancer care, the importance of clinical trials, and proactive patient advice to optimize care.

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“…no matter what your experience may be, when you go to a doctor or other provider with cervical cancer, whatever that experience is, I want you to know that one, you are not alone. You are not the only person experiencing this. It is not your fault. You are not to blame for this. And so whatever you may feel or experience in the clinical encounter or the encounter with the academic centers or the cancer center or the front desk or in radiology, whatever you experience, know that you are a survivor, know that you are strong and resilient, and please do not feel shame.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. MacLaughlan, how does socioeconomic status impact treatment and outcomes in advanced stage cervical cancer?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

So, first of all, I’ll say that cervical cancer is as largely a preventable cancer, and socioeconomic status and other psychosocial determinants of health are usually contributing to an individual’s ability or access to get preventative care. And so our patients who are presenting with advanced disease, or even most patients who were diagnosed with cervical cancer have not had adequate screening. And so socioeconomic status and other social determinants of health really play a role in whether or not the cancer can be prevented to begin with.

The best cure is to never let it happen. Now, when it comes to outcomes in advanced stage, there are two things that I would point out. Number one, we do have some qualitative research, not my work, but some really important work that demonstrates that when reviewing a medical record, you’re much more likely to identify negative language coming from a provider as a descriptor for a patient. If the patient is from a vulnerable community or from a lower socioeconomic status or is not white.

And that doesn’t necessarily mean your provider is saying bad things about you. What it’s saying is, this is my least favorite, but I still see it, this unfortunate patient. Another example would be, this patient is noncompliant. And the word noncompliant, what a provider should mean by that is that that person is not able to do everything we ask of them. Well, that could be because we are asking too much and not listening to them for what their goals are and what they needed. So an alternative of describing that would be, these are the things that the patient can do as opposed to emphasizing what we’re telling them to do that they’re not doing.

All of that is evidence of implicit bias, and implicit bias and systemic racism are things that are really hard to undo unless you go back to the beginning. And in this case, that means research. So when it comes to outcomes in treatment for advanced cervical cancer, I have to point out that though we have had some exciting advances in treatment of recurrent and metastatic cervical cancer, I have to point out that there are very few patients of color on those clinical trials. Most of them are done in Europe or in predominantly white-privileged communities in the United States.

And that has to do with ease of participation in clinical trials, because it’s hard enough to get yourself through cancer treatment. We are extremely demanding of our patients and survivors. And then you add to that a clinical trial protocol, it’s even harder. There are more visits, there’s more. And so those coming from marginalized, underrepresented communities aren’t represented in the research being done to find cures.

So that means we may find something that we think works. We don’t know if it’s going to work in a patient who has no one similar to them who participated in the treatment before. And so until we can really be inclusive in the clinical trial research, and even not just clinical trial research, but all kinds of research, meaning learning more about tumors that grow in particular communities and what’s going on in community levels or at the community level with extrinsic sources of stress or exposures or pollution or health outcomes or food insecurity, all of those things are going to play a role in someone’s health. And the healthiest people are most successful at surviving cancer treatment, let alone the cancer itself.

My [ACT]IVATION tip for this is no matter what your experience may be, when you go to a doctor or other provider with cervical cancer, whatever that experience is, I want you to know that one, you are not alone. You are not the only person experiencing this. It is not your fault. You are not to blame for this. And so whatever you may feel or experience in the clinical encounter or the encounter with the academic centers or the cancer center or the front desk or in radiology, whatever you experience, know that you are a survivor, know that you are strong and resilient, and please do not feel shame.


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How Does Insurance Status Impact Cervical Cancer Diagnosis?

 Health insurance status has some clear impacts on cervical cancer stage at diagnosis. Expert Dr. Shannon MacLaughlan from University of Illinois discusses key points from her cervical cancer research findings.

 

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. MacLaughlan, how does your research highlight the role of health insurance status in influencing the stage at which cervical cancer is diagnosed among different racial and ethnic groups?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

Well, we found that patients who have private insurance or Medicare are much more likely for their cervical cancer to be diagnosed in an early stage than an advanced stage. We already knew going into this particular work on the SEER database, we already knew that there were some inequities that broke out by race and ethnicity, such that Black patients, Hispanic patients, and Native American and Alaska Native patients were more likely to present with an advanced stage cervical cancer than their non-Hispanic white counterparts. And it turns out that having insurance can mitigate that discrepancy.

Now, that research is really designed to teach a system that we have to do better. That research is hard to package into something for a particular person to do differently in their life. It’s easy to say, “Go get insurance.” But we all know that in real life, it is not that easy. So what’s really going on here is that screening programs are effective in populations who are getting screened, and insurance is a marker of someone who has access to primary care and preventive care and the ability to focus on health at all. 


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Does Cervical Cancer Care Differ Between Academic and Non-Academic Centers?

What are key points about advanced cervical cancer treatment in academic versus non-academic settings? Expert Dr. Shannon MacLaughlan from University of Illinois discusses patient care at academic versus non-academic cancer centers, multidisciplinary care, support services, clinical trials, and the importance of second opinions. 

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“…there’s always a role for a second opinion, and insurance providers are mandated to provide coverage for a second opinion. And that can be an important door for you to open to make sure that your case is reviewed at one of those academic centers.”

 

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. MacLaughlan, what role do academic centers play in the treatment of cervical cancer? And how might patients at these centers receive different care compared to those at non-academic centers?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

An academic cancer center, or a cancer center that has been designated as a comprehensive cancer center, or a National Cancer Institute cancer center, is going to have a certain, they’re required to provide multidisciplinary care that meets the highest standard of care. So an academic center or an NCI-designated center will, by definition, have the internal quality metrics, ensuring that they are doing the right thing, which you shouldn’t have to guess whether or not your team is doing the right thing.

But one of the biggest contributors to cervical cancer existing is and/or recurring and women dying from it is that we don’t always do the right thing. So, an academic center, number one is going to provide for you a multidisciplinary team. You need to make sure that that team includes a gynecologic oncologist.

You may need a radiation oncologist. The best multidisciplinary care of the patient with cervical cancer also includes a palliative care team that can manage pain control and other symptom management effectively. And these centers are required to screen patients for other needs than just treating the cancer. So if you go to an oncologist, wherever we are, we are going to be experts in the cancer and how to treat it.

And hopefully, we are keeping up with the latest and greatest and most effective treatment options. And if you go to a cancer center that has NCI designation or is an academic center, then that should come with it…the understanding that taking care of a patient with cancer is more than just killing the tumor.

It’s about taking care of the patient and taking care of that patient’s family and taking care of that patient and their family in the context of their community. We see often in patients with cervical cancer, the need for transportation services, for social work support, not only to cope with the diagnosis, but to cope and navigate with the treatment that we lay out for you and how to plug it into your life and deal with the financial toxicities that come along with it. And those academic centers are going to be equipped with the teams who can connect you with smoking cessation and assist with food security and other things that contribute to your wellness.

The other important thing about academic centers is access to clinical trials. And in the world of cancer care, access to clinical trials is a marker of quality and better outcomes for patients. We are also starting to see, now that we’re looking for it, we’re starting to see that we can, oftentimes we see survival outcomes diverge based on things that it shouldn’t. Diverges for Black women, not as effective as white women.

We can close those gaps when patients participate in clinical trials. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a clinical trial is available to a particular individual and that they may not be eligible for anything in that moment, but access to those clinical trials is a critical big picture for successful treatment of cervical cancer or any kind of cancer.

And then finally, I would say that academic centers have the mandate of educating the next generation of providers, and we need to do better. So, for several years, I ran a clinic specifically for patients with cervical cancer. And just doing that, spending a day seeing patients, only patients, dealing with cervical cancer, was such an important learning opportunity for the residents and the medical students because I hate to tell you, but we are often taught in medical school that cervical cancer isn’t a problem anymore and that we cured it with successful screening.

But we didn’t. We haven’t actually made any headway meaningful in incidence of cervical cancer in a couple decades. So, it is important that we educate our next generation of providers that cervical cancer is, in fact, a problem. The treatment that we provide for cervical cancer is in and of itself very tasking and somewhat traumatic thing for a patient to experience. And providers need to learn how to provide culturally-accessible, empathic care for patients coming to the table with this particular kind of cancer.

So, that’s more of an ask than a recommendation. I ask you to go to an academic center so that you can teach the next generation. That’s really important to me. Now, my [ACT]IVATION tip for this topic is that you always have an opportunity for a second opinion.

Why does that matter? It matters because not everyone has access to an academic center for cervical cancer or any kind of cancer. You might not live near an academic center. You may not, even if you do live near one, you might not be able to get into one. But there’s always a role for a second opinion, and insurance providers are mandated to provide coverage for a second opinion. And that can be an important door for you to open to make sure that your case is reviewed at one of those academic centers.

Lisa Hatfield:

Okay, thank you. And I’m also a big advocate for getting an expert opinion, somebody who just sees those types of cancers. So, do you recommend if a patient is diagnosed with cervical cancer, they are not near an academic center, would you recommend that they do that at the time of diagnosis to try to seek out a second opinion or a consult at least once right at diagnosis? Is that the best time for that, do you think?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

Absolutely. The most effective time for a second opinion is before you start treatment. Once you initiate a treatment, there are very few certain…because you’ve started it, it’s almost always the best thing to continue doing it. Even if it’s not what I would have recommended to you to begin with. If you’ve already initiated it, you’re committed. So it’s tricky when you have a new diagnosis. It can be anxiety-provoking to have to wait for a second opinion or wait to get in for one or wait to start your treatment. But if at all possible, that’s the most effective time.

I would also add that many centers offer community doctors access to their tumor boards. I hate the term tumor board, but because it’s universal, I can’t change it. A tumor board is a multidisciplinary conference in which providers of each subtype gather and review cases. And so many academic and comprehensive cancer centers will offer that service to community physicians so that you may, if you can’t physically get to an academic center for a second opinion, then you may be able to have your case reviewed. There could be a telehealth option. Sometimes that’s an option when crossing state lines is necessary. And then finally, if all else fails, getting a second opinion on the pathology can be helpful.


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Disparities in Cervical Cancer Treatment: The Role of Poverty and Systemic Barriers

Cervical cancer treatment disparities exist, but what role do poverty and systemic barriers play? Expert Dr. Shannon MacLaughlan from University of Illinois discusses the impact of poverty and systemic barriers and proactive patient advice for improving your care and reducing cervical cancer disparities. 

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“…for someone who is diagnosed for the first time, bring someone with you, bring someone with you, every time you see any kind of provider, when at all possible, because the health care system has not been designed for you, obviously, because we failed you. Bringing someone with you helps you close that gap.”

 

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. MacLaughlan, what are the noted disparities you’ve observed in the treatment of cervical cancer among different demographic groups?

Shannon MacLaughlan:

This is a tough question to answer, not because I don’t know the answer, but because the answer requires taking ownership of the problem as a provider. Cervical cancer is preventable, because we have a very effective vaccine against the HPV virus, and because we have tools to screen for cervical cancer, including Pap smears, including HPV testing, and when patients are diagnosed with cervical cancer, it means the system failed them. It means that everything we think we’re doing to prevent something bad from happening to a person, we are not doing effectively.

And so when I think about a preventable cancer and who gets it, it’s the people who fall through the cracks. And the people who fall through the cracks are the people who are coming from vulnerable communities, where perhaps their biggest existential threat is not whether or not they get a Pap smear, but whether or not they can put food on the table, or whether or not they have a roof over their heads, or whether or not they can keep their children safe. So disparities and inequities tend to align with poverty and systemic racism and implicit biases and just flat-out marginalization.

So that the demographics that are experiencing the highest mortality, and experiencing the highest incidence of cervical cancer are women of color, Native American and Alaska Native patients, patients of Hispanic backgrounds, and immigrants. So my action tip for this, for someone who is diagnosed for the first time, bring someone with you, bring someone with you, every time you see any kind of provider, when at all possible, because the health care system has not been designed for you, obviously, because we failed you. Bringing someone with you helps you close that gap.

For our Hispanic patients, a huge barrier is a language barrier, and we’re required, if we don’t speak the language, we’re required to provide interpreters in the context of the clinic visit, but the clinic visit is actually only a very small part of a treatment journey. The moment you have to navigate getting to the campus of a medical center, you have to navigate the medical center itself. You may have to ask for directions. You’re going to have appointments with a gynecologic oncologist or radiation oncologist, nuclear medicine, radiology, an infusion unit. Come with another set of eyes and ears. It’s a great idea to bring your own interpreter, if you can.


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How Can Patients Stay Informed About New Treatments and Strategies in Gynecologic Cancer Care?

What gynecologic cancer care questions should patients and families ask? Expert Dr. Ramez Eskander from UC San Diego Health discusses the value of patient education, second opinions, credible resources, and proactive patient advice to help optimize care. 

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“…be informed. Explore your options and opportunities. Again, there are strategies that are available to you both on the Internet, publicly available, but also through colleagues, through friends, and a network that you can build through support groups, even at your institutions. It’s never too early to ask about clinical trials so that you can make sure you’re educated and informed as you look to make decisions. Because if you try to take all of this into consideration and at one time point, it can be a little bit overwhelming.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Eskander, as new treatments and strategies emerge, how can patients and their families stay activated and ensure they’re benefiting from the latest advancements? And what should they be asking their care team to make sure they’re up to speed with the latest in gynecologic cancer care?

Dr. Ramez Eskander:

This is so important to me for patients to feel like they’re empowered and educated. I believe that patients are their greatest advocates. This is where family and friends are also an important part of the care team. From my perspective, it’s very beneficial to have someone in the room with the patient as they’re having conversations about treatments and treatment strategies to take appropriate notes, to be informed, and to not feel bad about asking questions, to not feel bad about asking the relevance of a second opinion.

Any provider should never take offense to a patient asking for a second opinion. In fact, I would say, I encourage my patients. I say, listen, if you have questions and you…if you would like to get someone else’s perspective, please do so. I want that, and I want you to come back to me with potentially a different option or a question that my hope is to answer.

We have a shared goal of making sure our patients have the best possible clinical outcome. That is our north star. So as new treatments and strategies emerge, try to stay informed. There are multiple platforms available, of course, via the Internet, for example. I will just be cautious in saying not all of that information is accurate. So if you’re going to use a platform that’s publicly available, the web, make sure that you’re trying to go to areas where a resource is vetted and reliable.

The National Cancer Network, the NCCN, the National Cancer Institute, clinicaltrials.gov for clinical trials, vetted and established advocacy organizations, and then taking that information, using it as a foundation in which you can build upon when you have conversations with your providers. But again, this is where I think not just the patient alone, but patient, family, and friends can really work together to try to develop.

And all of our meetings, the cancer meetings that we have, for example, for gynecologic cancer as a Society of Gynecologic Oncology, there’s a foundation for women’s cancer. There are opportunities for education, the American Society of Clinical Oncology. These are publicly available resources, websites where you can go to and look for patient facing material to make informed decisions about the management of your cancers.  And, of course, when you’re asking to talk about clinical trials, how do I stay up to date? Again, it’s a dialogue. It’s never too early to ask. I worry sometimes that patients don’t want to bring up a clinical trial, because they fear that bringing that up means that they’ve exhausted all treatment strategies.

Quite contrary to that, the earlier you begin the conversation, the greater opportunity you’re going to have to potentially identify a clinical trial for which you may be eligible. And that will help you through your treatment paradigm. Because if you don’t, you may pass that up, because you’re no longer eligible, because you’ve had too many prior lines of treatment, for example. And having that conversation early will also help you prepare as you go through the treatment paradigm so that if you need to make a decision about potentially enrolling in a trial, you’re established, you’re ready to do so rather than trying to effectively push this forward quickly without making sure that you have the required information that you need.

So it’s a multi-pronged approach. It’s going to require support systems, undoubtedly, multiple resources are available, and then subsequently engaging those resources to use that information to guide your conversations.

My activation tip is be informed. Explore your options and opportunities. Again, there are strategies that are available to you both on the Internet, publicly available, but also through colleagues, through friends, and a network that you can build through support groups, even at your institutions. It’s never too early to ask about clinical trials so that you can make sure you’re educated and informed as you look to make decisions. Because if you try to take all of this into consideration and at one time point, it can be a little bit overwhelming.

Lisa Hatfield:

Okay. Thank you so much. And I really appreciate your comment about it’s okay to talk to your provider about getting a second opinion. I was terrified of that, because I really love my doctor. He is great. And I didn’t want to bring that up, but anybody who’s watching this, Dr. Eskander said it’s okay to talk to your provider about seeking out a second opinion.

And it may help in your care in making decisions too. So I appreciate that you said that. And also that you said to make sure you go to vetted sites for information. When I was diagnosed with blood cancer, the first place I went to that I wasn’t supposed to was Google, got all kinds of information that I didn’t want to read. So go to those vetted sites. I think that’s great advice. So thank you so much.

Dr. Ramez Eskander:

Thank you, Lisa.

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What Are the Barriers to Endometrial Cancer Care in Underserved Communities?

 

What are common endometrial cancer care barriers? Expert Dr. Ramez Eskander from UC San Diego Health discusses common care barriers for underrepresented communities and how patients and healthcare professionals can help address these barriers to optimal care.

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“…we have to be committed to this. This is not just a patient issue. This is an issue that is shared, a responsibility that’s shared across institutions, clinicians. I would strongly suggest that patients advocate for themselves. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Try to determine what resources might be available to assist if you are facing particular obstacles to help mitigate some of the barriers that may impact treatment in this era.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Eskander, what are some common barriers that patients with endometrial cancers face in accessing care, especially in underrepresented communities?

Dr. Ramez Eskander:

The issue around access to care and disparities in care is an important one. And I will say that as we move to this world of more molecular testing, identifying changes in the tumor or in genetic findings that predispose patients to potentially responding to therapies, there’s concern that it may increase disparities in cancer outcome. And that’s because is everybody getting access to tumor testing? Is everybody getting access to genetic testing? Are they informed? Are they educated about the implications?

This is so complex, and I think, Lisa, we could talk for an hour just about the issues surrounding barriers to care disparities and outcome. I will say that the goal is to make sure that all patients have access to these important tests. The goal is to make sure that all patients are educated to the same capacity. Understanding that health literacy can vary quite substantially so that we can work to try to develop more equitable treatment approaches and improve clinical outcomes across the board.

Do we see barriers? Absolutely. It could be barriers related to language. It could be barriers related to travel that a patient may not be able to travel the distance needed to see the provider or the specialist that can provide them the treatment that they need, or the counseling. It could be copay costs, can be prohibitive, it could be concern, trust issues around, do I want to get genetic testing? I’m worried this information is going to be used against me rather than help inform my cancer treatment strategy.

So it’s layered. It’s multi-pronged. There are several initiatives that are being deployed at different centers to try to improve and break down these barriers so that we can help patients overcome. And these could be social workers, patient navigators, case managers that reach out to these patients, resources that are available to facilitate transfer transportation, and bridge gaps that some of these patients might be facing.

And this is just in standard of care, completely independent of the barriers that patients face when they look to enroll in a clinical trial, for example, for treatment of their cancers. My [ACT]IVATION tip is we have to be committed to this. This is not just a patient issue. This is an issue that is shared, a responsibility that’s shared across institutions, clinicians. I would strongly suggest that patients advocate for themselves. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Try to determine what resources might be available to assist if you are facing particular obstacles to help mitigate some of the barriers that may impact treatment in this era.

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Overcoming Gynecologic Cancer Challenges for Optimal Care

What are the goals and strides in gynecologic cancer treatment? Expert Dr. Ramez Eskander from UC San Diego Health discusses how endometrial cancer and ovarian cancer treatment has evolved, different approaches to care, and proactive patient advice for optimal care.

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“…be informed. Ask the right questions. Make sure that you understand your treatment options for every stage of your disease. It is never too early to talk to your clinician or provider about clinical trial opportunities. It is never too early to talk to your provider about what systemic or chemotherapeutic or targeted therapies are available to you if you do recur so that you can begin to make informed decisions and plan towards management of these cancers.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Eskander, even with recent advancements, what are some of the biggest challenges still facing patients with gynecologic cancers? And how can patients face these challenges head-on in order to get the best possible care?

Dr. Ramez Eskander: T

he management of ovarian cancer and endometrial cancer has really dramatically changed over the last several years, principally because of discoveries of effective treatments. And that’s also motivated by our understanding of the molecular drivers of these cancers. We’re learning more and more about what abnormalities on a molecular or genetic level may exist in these cancers that can inform treatment. When we think about the challenges, despite these advancements, it’s really focused primarily on the fact that we still deal with patients whose disease recurs after treatment.

So, for example, with ovarian cancer, patients have surgery and chemotherapy at diagnosis. And sometimes you start with chemotherapy and do surgery, followed by additional chemotherapy. And sometimes you do surgery, followed by chemotherapy. And that’s a decision that’s made based on multiple factors. Patients receive treatment, as I alluded to in the front line. But unfortunately, despite the advances that we’ve made in molecular testing and in therapeutics, a large proportion of patients with advanced stage disease may develop disease recurrence.

And in the context of disease recurrence, it’s difficult to achieve prolonged remission. So what we deal with is disease that is in remission for a period of time after primary therapy. And if that ovarian cancer recurs, that subsequent remission may be shorter than the primary remission. Now we can go into a lot of detailed conversations about what drugs we’ve identified to be effective in different disease settings.

And as I alluded to, we’ve made significant strides, but we still need to do better and identify more effective treatments, both in the front-line and in the recurrent setting. And I am very passionate about clinical trials, which are essentially the foundation in which we’ve identified effective treatment strategies that are now FDA-approved. And so I really want to empower patients who are dealing with advanced stage ovarian cancer diagnosis, really understand what your options are, understand whether or not you’re eligible for clinical trials in the face of a disease recurrence. 

Some of these studies are limited to specific time intervals during therapy or limited based on the number of prior treatments. And you want to have options available for you. And those options are going to be available by asking questions at these different phases of your treatment so that you can make sure that you’re making the most informed decision. And it’s the same thing with endometrial cancer. A large proportion of our patients are diagnosed with early stage disease that is successfully managed with surgery. Sometimes radiation is required. There are patients with advanced stage disease who are needing chemotherapy.

And again, in those circumstances, in the face of disease recurrence, we need more effective treatment strategies. Recently, we’ve incorporated immunotherapy plus chemotherapy in the management of advanced stage or recurrent endometrial cancer patients. Progressing after that leaves us with more limited options for which there are many clinical trials that are active in accruing patients to offer more effective treatment opportunities.

So my [ACT]IVATION tip in the context of this question is be informed. Ask the right questions. Make sure that you understand your treatment options for every stage of your disease. It is never too early to talk to your clinician or provider about clinical trial opportunities. It is never too early to talk to your provider about what systemic or chemotherapeutic or targeted therapies are available to you if you do recur so that you can begin to make informed decisions and plan towards management of these cancers.

Lisa Hatfield:

And I have a quick follow-up question to that, because you mentioned clinical trials, and I know you’re an advocate for patients seeking a second opinion. So if a patient who lives in an area where maybe there are not a lot of clinical trials, would like more information on that. And I live in an area where we don’t have a lot of clinical trials, and I have a great local oncologist, and he does a great job. But if I wanted to reach out and ask a specialist like you, a one-time consult, maybe, what are my options for a clinical trial? Can a patient do that? Can they do like a one-time consult with a specialist?

Dr. Ramez Eskander:

That is an excellent question. There are specific rules around what providers can do. And I will venture to say I’m not an expert in those rules. I’ll give you a pragmatic example. There are rules that will not allow a provider to have a clinic visit virtually with someone who’s outside of their state. So, it does set some boundaries. Now, what I will say, and you alluded to this already, Lisa, which is talk to your provider. That is a very great starting point.

If you feel like you’re not making as much progress, there are really amazing advocacy organizations that have capacity to help patients make these decisions, whether it’s organizations regionally or if it’s national organizations. I will just say also if you go to clinicaltrials.gov, it’s a website that’s available to us all and you type in a diagnosis like ovarian cancer or endometrial cancer, and you search for Phase III clinical trials, it will provide you with contact information for sites and you can look by sites in your state or regionally.

And I know it can feel daunting to do that. And that’s part of the reason that I’m such a big advocate for second opinions is because when patients are being treated for a cancer diagnosis, searching for your own clinical trial without any real guidance can feel like information overload. So it’s for me, reach out to your primary provider, utilize any advocacy groups that are in your region or national advocacy groups, such as the Ovarian Cancer Research Alliance or the Clearity Foundation. There are many others that can help patients kind of navigate for ovarian cancer diagnosis or second opinions. And then do your homework and try to identify whether or not there’s a provider who might be of greater assistance.

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How does the treatment of advanced endometrial cancer prognosis differ from other gynecological cancers? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health shares common challenges that she’s seen with her patients and patient advice to help optimize their care. 

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“…I always encourage patients, and when I meet with them for the first time, I ask them, who is your main support person? And if they’re not here right now, let’s actually get them on the phone. They need to be involved from the start to understand this hurdle that you’re going to be going through over the next several months.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Gamble, how does advanced endometrial cancer differ from other gynecological cancers in terms of treatment of prognosis, and what lifestyle changes can help improve outcomes for patients with advanced endometrial cancer?

This is such a heavy question, so necessary. I think that, classically what we’re taught is that endometrial cancer is very curable, very treatable.  

All you need is a hysterectomy and surgery, and then you’ll be done. But what we see, and specifically in my work, and I take care of mostly Black or African American patients, is that, there are certain types of cancers specifically that are a little bit more prevalent in the, African American community within endometrial cancers that are more aggressive, that need not only surgery, but need chemotherapy and might, because they’re more aggressive, patients come and are already at like stage III or sometimes stage IV, when they’re actually being diagnosed, not due to any sort of delay and recognizing their symptoms or delay in diagnosis, but literally when their symptoms occurred, they were already stage IV. And this is a really, really, really challenging space to be in.

And historically also very challenging because again, as I mentioned, endometrial cancer is one of the least, if not the least funded cancers of the National Cancer Institute in terms of clinical trials. And so there have not been, historically a lot of options for patients who have advanced stage endometrial cancer,  aside from our classic chemotherapy drugs with carboplatin (Paraplatin) and paclitaxel (Abraxane) take six cycles. You see how things go and maybe these patients get radiation. And so it’s been a very challenging space to be in over the past couple of years. 

As I mentioned, these new immunotherapy drugs are really, giving us a lot of hope and very exciting space, now to see how these novel immunotherapy drugs help to maybe change some of those prognostic factors for patients. But it’s a tougher diagnosis. The survival is not as good as someone who has early stage non-aggressive endometrial cancer.

And so, not only do patients get their surgery, but they’re also getting the chemotherapy. And now, oftentimes getting immunotherapy onto this, and immunotherapy continues after the chemotherapy for oftentimes up to three years. And so patients are on treatment for a lot longer. I think that, you know, in terms of lifestyle changes, again, there’s not a lot of research in this area.

Traditionally, we think of, endometrial cancer as a cancer that is, that can occur more frequently in patients who are overweight, or have elevated BMIs. And so, their cardiovascular health is actually very important. And so lifestyle changes to address their cardiovascular health is going to be much more beneficial than anything else, that occurs. But what I unfortunately see in my practice is that you, might, your heart might be just fine, but if you’ve got cancer that’s in your lungs or in your upper abdomen or in your bones, when you’re diagnosed, that kind of takes over everything, and it’s very difficult to treat.

 I think what is important when I personally think about lifestyle factors and, advanced stage of endometrial cancer, is trying to maintain a healthy enough lifestyle and adequate strength to get through the necessary treatments, that are really tough with chemotherapy and immunotherapy. And so the healthier a patient is when they’re diagnosed, the stronger they are through their treatments, the better able that they’re able to maintain their nutrition and as, moderate amount of exercise during their treatments, the better they are able to get through their treatments in a timely fashion.

And a lot of this can be also tied to the amount of support that patients have in their lives. If someone is isolated and has very little, family or friends that are able to be there for them, it’s a much harder mental barrier to get through all of this aggressive treatment than someone who might, have patient or patient advocates with them or friends or family members that are always around.

So I always encourage patients, and when I meet with them for the first time, I ask them, who is your main support person? And if they’re not here right now, let’s actually get them on the phone. They need to be involved from the start to understand this hurdle that you’re going to be going through over the next several months.

So I always tell folks that, you know, I’ll take care of all the medical stuff, I’ll do the surgery, and I’ll run the chemotherapy, and me and my nurse navigator will be able to handle all the medical things. And so you don’t need to worry about that. But the psychological burden this takes, the mental and emotional burden this takes is going to be something that is really going to be much more in the patient’s control and much more in your control as you get through this.

And so finding your support structures and making them, making sure they’re involved from the very start is very, very critical. One of the trials that we have open here, at my health system is looking at the role for increasing social support for patients who are Black, who have advanced stage endometrial cancer and seeing what forms of social support, if that’s group therapy or if that’s one-to-one, peer survivor support or just additional information, if that actually can, which one of those might be the best and help patients get through their therapies. And that’s a trial that’s run by Dr. Doll out of University of Washington.

Advanced endometrial cancer is a tough diagnosis to have, and the survival outcomes, although changing rapidly with the introduction of immunotherapy drugs, are, still a challenge. The lifestyle changes, it really comes to, you know, what patients can do to get through their treatment in a timely fashion. But I think the role of social support and having people that can carry patients through and get them through this tough time is central to this question.


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What are key challenges and solutions to gynecologic oncology research disparities? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health shares specific factors that show up in research disparities and proactive advice to healthcare providers and researchers to help close the disparity gaps.

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“…for healthcare providers and researchers, is that we have to think about action and what, the evidence-based strategies are to help directly affect the disparate outcomes we see in America for our patients with cancers and to center patients and their concerns within these research questions.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Gamble, what are the key challenges regarding the current paradigm of disparities research and gynecologic oncology, and what steps are proposed to overcome these challenges? And what is the role of the patient? 

Dr. Charlotte Gamble:

I love this question. This is such a great question because this is like my happy space and where I live, when I’m not taking care of patients directly and kind of where my research interests lie. So to take each question, each question, each part of this question, what are the key challenges regarding the current paradigm of what’s called disparities research? So I think a couple of challenges. One, historically disparities research just meant like looking and seeing what these patient outcomes were and who lived longer and, oh, no, it looks like Black patients are not living as long as white patients, and it looks like poor patients aren’t living as long as rich patients.

And it looks like patients who are living rurally don’t live as long as patients who live in the cities. And so just finding differences and seeing kind of how, again, this critical race practice and how the systems and structures in the United States have contributed or might contribute to these differences that we’re seeing, has classically and historically been easy low hanging fruit.

You look at these large cancer databases, you look at the SEER database, the National Cancer database as well, and can get, pull all these statistics and come up with pretty graphs that just show really wide disparities in Black versus white and versus Hispanic versus non-Hispanic and just say, hey, there are differences and people who are historically marginalized or vulnerable just don’t do as well, which is, okay, fine and good and maybe necessary to have that data to know where we’re starting from. But a challenging in that is that just shows some associations. There is not necessarily causation. There is no attempt to fix the system. It’s merely just stating these are where, this is where we’re at. And at this point, frankly, in 2024 and honestly for the past 15 to 20 years, it’s not anything new. It’s nothing that’s surprising.

 Like these have been trends that have been pretty ingrained in this social system and healthcare system that we have in the United States. And so doing kind of disparities that just discusses these differences is a little bit outdated at this point. I think, to answer the second part of that question, what are steps proposed to overcome these challenges? Really moving into, okay, so these differences are there, what are we going to do? So what are these solutions? What are the evidence-based solutions to these differences in how we overcome? So that spans anything from looking at sometimes the molecular tumor makeup that might be different based on ancestry or maybe based on exposure to racism. How does exposure to racism and or stress and over a lifetime influence cancer biology?

If someone has been minoritized and has been exposed to stress because of this for their entire lives, does that change their cancer risk or change the type of cancer they have or change how when they are diagnosed with cancer, how they respond to treatment. None of this has really been very aggressively studied within the gynecologic cancer space.  Some of this within the breast cancer space has been looked at, but not very much with the gynecologic cancers.

But then also importantly in this space that I love to live in is, okay, so like, how are we going to overcome the barriers that we discussed earlier? How do we get patients into the healthcare system a little bit earlier when they have abnormal symptoms? How do we get them to a subspecialist if they have transportation barriers, insurance barriers, health system barriers, and how do we actually address what we already know is the problem if they face delays in care, how do we shorten those intervals so they get timely care? And those are harder questions.

It’s harder to publish, it’s harder to get these studies done. They’re really messy. And I think that, there’s a lot of need to actually look at how the system is working or not working for patients and actually doing evidence-based strategies that we know, ie for example, care navigation to help improve the timeliness of care that patients receive.

To answer, and this dovetails well into the third part of the question, which is what is the role of the patient? This is critical because as we start thinking about actually designing interventions to work or to address these barriers, to care, to influence disparities and outcomes, of, patients with these cancers, patients are the center of what we do, and they have to be the center of the research, and they cannot be consulted on the back end after someone has come up with a very pretty project that sounds really nice and like can get funded easily.

 They have to be at the center at the start of the project. And so I think it’s really important to center voices of patients in designing research protocols, center them in designing clinical trials, center them in designing community-based outreach programs. This has to, not only come from patients, but feel like it is a patient almost run program. And, I think Kemi Doll really in the gynecologic cancer space, has, been a fierce advocate for, including patients and centering patients and, having patients lead as opposed to follow, as opposed to being adjacent to the project, but being really central to it and to its functioning.

And so when we think about the interventions, when we think about the research questions that are yet unanswered, oftentimes these answers as well as the, logistics of how to get these programs done lies within patients, their communities, their loved ones themselves, and failure to involve them early in the process is a failure of the research project in general. I think my activation to this question is actually for healthcare providers and researchers, is that we have to think about action and what, the evidence-based strategies are to help directly affect the disparate outcomes we see in America for our patients with cancers and to center patients and their concerns within these research questions.


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How Can Gynecologic Oncology Racial Disparities Be Addressed?

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What are some ways that gynecologic oncology racial disparities might be addressed? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health discusses racial inequities in care on different levels and how to start reducing disparities.

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“…understanding how race, racism intertwine with cancer outcomes and access to care, the role that underrepresentation of Black patients on clinical trials has had on the novel therapeutic developments and where these survival gaps worsen when these new drugs are improved or introduced into the system. Because Black patients might not benefit significantly from them, because they have not been represented in the clinical trials as well as they might not have access to these drugs initially when they’re initially rolled out.”

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Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Gamble, could you elaborate on the racial inequities in cancer outcomes highlighted in your research, particularly with gynecologic oncology? The article or blog mentions the public health critical race practice, so the framework for understanding racial disparity in healthcare. So how can this framework be applied practically in addressing disparities within gynecologic oncology?

Dr. Charlotte Gamble:

Absolutely. I think within gynecologic oncology, again, addressing people who have cancers of the female reproductive tract, ovary, uterine endometrial, specifically within the uterine cancer space, cervical cancer and vulvar cancers. We have multiple levels of racial inequities. When we talk about what cancer outcomes are, these are things like recurrence rates. How quickly does the cancer come back after it’s been treated for the first time? Survival outcomes. So what proportion of patients who have this cancer are living at 5 years? Surgical complications, at 30 days, how many patients had a stroke? How many patients had to be readmitted? How many patients had a blood clot? And so there are definitely different levels of cancer outcomes within the cancer care in general. And what we see within gynecologic cancers is a couple of different things.

So historically within ovarian cancer, there was a thought that there was not too much in terms of survival. Survival outcomes is kind of by far the most commonly cited cancer outcome that is used as a benchmark in all cancer fields. And looking at five-year survival, basically, how what proportion of patients are alive with their cancer at five years. And historically ovarian cancer is, but thought to not have too much of a difference.

When we talk about basically Black, white racial disparities in the United States, although that has been kind of poked at over the past couple years, and there might actually be pretty significant differences when it comes to ovarian cancers and the regionality in part of the country and how long patients live with in general, because ovarian cancer is oftentimes diagnosed at such an advanced stage. Patients do overall, can overall have such significant issues with getting to that five-year overall survival, regardless of race, that again, everything that is influenced by race or the exposure to racism in this country might be washed out just basically because it’s really, really tough when someone has an advanced ovarian cancer diagnosis.

We do know that oftentimes patients who are Black or have been exposed to racism are less often likely to get surgeries, are sometimes more or less likely to get standard of care chemotherapy. And within the ovarian cancer space, over the past 10 years, we really now frequently use genetic testing and the availability of a drug called PARP inhibitor, a targeted oral chemotherapy drug that is used after someone has completed their initial rounds of chemotherapy to help improve their survival. That had really wonderful results about 10 years ago based on several international trials. The challenge though, is when we have novel therapeutics or novel drugs that we give to patients based on really amazing clinical trials, the patients who are most likely to get it are patients who have higher access to care, who might be a little bit more affluent.

And oftentimes this is disproportionately white patients in the United States. And so some of these racial disparities widen for a bit after novel therapeutics are introduced into the system. When it comes to cervical cancer, what we’ve seen historically, is that this is a cancer that is entirely preventable and entirely through a combination of a lot of screening with Pap smears as well as the HPV vaccine. And historically, again, it tends to be disenfranchised, historically marginalized or minoritized patients that might not complete their HPV vaccination series or be able to get the regular Pap smears because their lives end up being pulled in several different directions. And so they end up getting diagnosed with a cervical cancer that is entirely preventable in 2024, as we just saw this young influencer die of an advanced stage cervical cancer. Things like that really shouldn’t happen.

And again, this, the underlying driver of this, we mentioned the critical race practice, is that race or racism is an underlying driver for everything that happens in the United States based on historical issues in this country. And the patients who are disproportionately affected by this tend to be Black minoritized patients. And so that manifests itself in terms of access to Pap smears, access to HPV vaccination screening. In terms of the endometrial cancer space, I love the example that Dr. Kemi Doll uses that really thinking about endometrial cancer is thinking about reproductive health for women and the continuum of thinking about not only the maternal mortality issues that we see for women of reproductive age.

And this extends into postmenopausal women who are disproportionately affected by high risk, aggressive types, advanced stages of endometrial cancer. And so having endometrial cancer as a continuum of reproductive healthcare and involving that in the maternal mortality conversation is a really, I think, helpful way to frame that, that she’s propagated over the past several years.

And so, when we think about endometrial cancers, one of the things that I mentioned earlier is we have these lovely clinical trials that have shown really amazing improvements in overall survival. The kind of nuance to that though is one, these trials weren’t entirely fully representative of the diverse patient population we care for in the United States. There were not enough Black patients in those trials by any means.

Two, the, those new novel immunotherapy drugs work incredibly well in a subset of patients with endometrial cancer, who have what’s called mismatch repair deficient cancers. It’s just a kind of a specific subset of the molecular profile of these endometrial cancers. And these drugs are almost a golden ticket for these patients and really extend survival. And it’s amazing. What is very concerning is that for Black women, the rates of this mismatch repair cancer is not as prevalent.

And so Black women oftentimes have less frequent mutations that will work with these therapeutic drugs. And what I’m very concerned about might happen is that as these drugs are now the golden ticket for a lot of these advanced stage endometrial cancers that specifically have this mutational difference mismatch repair deficiency, Black women might be left behind because the rate of having a mismatched repair deficiency is less for them, and these drugs might not work as well.

And I’m very concerned that we might see a widening in the racial disparities in these cancer outcomes, specifically survivorship for endometrial cancer. As these immunotherapy drugs are increasingly used in clinical practice, even though we use them for all patients, it’s, they work best in a subtype of patients that are oftentimes disproportionately not Black. And I very much worry that we’re going to start seeing a widening in the survival gap as they did for melanoma, when there were novel drugs that address a melanoma treatment pathways that disproportionately did not work well in Black patients.

In terms of activation tip for this question, oh, I think it’s important to take this question in the historical context of this country and understanding how race, racism intertwine with cancer outcomes and access to care, the role that underrepresentation of Black patients on clinical trials has had on the novel therapeutic developments and where these survival gaps worsen when these new drugs are improved or introduced into the system. Because Black patients might not benefit significantly from them, because they have not been represented in the clinical trials as well as they might not have access to these drugs initially when they’re initially rolled out.


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How Is Gynecological Cancer Care Impacted by Social Determinants of Health?

How Is Gynecological Cancer Care Impacted by Social Determinants of Health? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

How can social determinants of health impact gynecological cancer care? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health explains common factors that can present barriers to care and some resulting impacts to patient care.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Gamble, how do social determinants of health potentially influence the quality of care received by patients with gynecologic cancers?

Dr. Charlotte Gamble:

Yeah, another really wonderful question and an area of research that people have looked at for a long time. I think when we think about social determinants of health, we have to define what they are, right? So these are going to be aspects of people’s lives that might not be specifically health related, but absolutely influence the ability to access healthcare, the ability to complete treatment regimens, the ability to be able to get support and survive these treatment regimens and continue in survivorship.

So think when we, when I specifically think about social determinants of health and gynecologic cancers and encompassing the ovarian cancers, cervical cancers, endometrial cancers and vulvar cancers. We see multiple things. So in general, these cancers are affecting people who have the female reproductive tract. So this is going to be oftentimes people that identify as women, but also can include trans men.

And so there’s also like a gender component of this and how people identify. And for the trans community, there are barriers everywhere in terms of how they can access gynecologic care and the stigma that might be associated with providing trans healthcare in general that affect them specifically. When we talk about women or people who have identified as women and who also have a female reproductive tract, there comes into place how women in general and historically have been able to access healthcare and the barriers that they might face in communities.

Women generally tend to be the providers of healthcare or the providers of childcare and have several responsibilities in taking care of their families and communities. And in so far, doing tend to downplay their own healthcare and prioritizing their own well-being to be able to care for those who they love, who surround them and are stretched thin.

And so because of that, we oftentimes see delays in seeking access to healthcare because women tend to be pulled in so many different directions by their communities. Other times what we see is things that I’ve mentioned previously in terms of insurance barriers and either not having insurance. So for patients who are undocumented immigrants, this tends to be a massive issue. I’ve had patients myself that we’ve had to work tirelessly for, to be able to get them insurance. And this is in the nation’s capital where insurance, even for undocumented people, tends to be a little bit easier to access than in other places. And it’s been a huge challenge and delay their care by months. And this directly correlates with survival and how patients do on the back end of things. But even having insurance that is, that is, doesn’t, might not cover everything that’s needed, and there might be large copays associated with visits or treatment plans.

This is an area that there’s a lot of room to improve in the United States, and a real macro issue. But when it comes to also things like transportation and living in a food desert and not having healthy groceries and nutritional options that for patients who have endometrial cancer, that oftentimes if it’s a low grade non-aggressive cancer, they’re going to do fine from a cancer standpoint, but it’s the cardiovascular issues and the possible severe obesity they might suffer from. And that is an issue that patients who live in food deserts or live in places that they can’t access sidewalks and ability to live healthy lives in their neighborhood will really suffer from not being able to have those determinants of health work in their favor.

And then we also have issues within health systems. And we see that for patients who live in conditions that are historically considered impoverished, they might not be able to make it to the beautiful National Cancer Institute designated cancer center, seeing this most subspecialist and having access to five clinical trials and a case navigator and a care navigator and a social worker to help them through the social issues that they might be seeking care with a community practice that could itself be underfunded or not linked to strong cancer institute options.

And so that’s another kind of systems level that we see where patients are seeking care that they might not be able to actually get to the subspecialists that they need, or health systems that are resourced enough to help them in their lives. So that’s a very long-winded question, [laughter] because it’s such a massive issue. But it, social determinants of health affect everything in the cancer continuum from a timely diagnosis and being able to recognize abnormal symptoms to being able to get into a doctor’s office, to be able to get to a subspecialist that is has expertise in the area to be able to complete therapies on time and to be able to eat healthy food and have a healthy lifestyle after one has gone through all these major treatments. It’s a massive issue and something that we see in every single health condition in the United States.

That is the most excellent comprehensive response to barriers, obstacles, stigmas that I’ve ever heard regarding accessing quality of care for cancer patients. Any cancer patient is going to benefit from your response to that. So thank you. 


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Are Beauty Products a Risk Factor for Endometrial Cancer?

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Do some beauty products pose a risk factor for endometrial cancer? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health discusses studies that investigated endometrial cancer risk and beauty products that may be a risk factor.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Gamble, there are often questions around the use of hair products and gynecological cancers. Can you speak to this and whether there are any correlations or risk factors with the use of these hair products?

Dr. Charlotte Gamble:

Absolutely. This is also an area of some controversy, and the data has yet to really be accepted or validated. And it’s, I think, an area that needs so much additional research. So, you know, within the past few years, there have been a few major studies that have looked at patients, looking back at patients who have then developed endometrial cancer and seeing what kind of risk factors they might have had compared to patients who didn’t develop endometrial cancers. And looking at the types of patients within these studies, there are some subtle differences that need to be addressed.

The overall conclusion from these studies was that the frequent use of hair straightener products might increase the risk or is associated, I should say, with a risk of developing uterine or endometrial cancer. But the nuances within how these studies were conducted and which populations they were done in, I think deserves a little bit of detail and insight.

One of the major studies was done in a cohort group of patients who had actually close family members who had breast cancer. And so this is actually a very specific type of patient population where they were already at somewhat of an increased risk of developing a type of a cancer, because they had a relative that had breast cancer. And in this cohort of patients, they found that the frequent use of hair straightener products was associated with a higher likelihood of developing uterine cancer.

The kind of challenges I have with this is not only the patient population looking at it being predominantly groups of folks who already have a relative with a cancer, but then also the cohort itself is predominantly Caucasian or white, with 85 percent being white and a very small percentage of those patients being Black. And it’s hard to actually draw conclusions based on that, again, with just not a great representation of Black women who can be frequent users of hair straightener products.

And then there are nuances of like, what is a hair straightener product? What does that mean? Is that a chemical relaxer? Is that a Brazilian? And how does that actually affect the endometrial cancer risk? And we don’t know. Again, it’s a correlation, an association, but not a causation. The other study was done in a cohort of patients who were Black in the Black Women’s Health Study. And so it was a much better representation of patients that I take care of and are at risk of endometrial cancer. And the challenge with this study was that there are several different nuances and kind of when the cancer occurred and if it was pre-menopausal, before menopause or after menopause and the type of cancers they were.  And I think a lot of this data is pretty compelling that there’s probably some degree of an association.

But it’s very difficult to know how that actually relates to the type of cancers that we see most frequently in Black women, which are aggressive, non-hormonally responsive cancers that might not have any sort of risk that’s tied to hair straightener products that generally do a hormonal cascade. So my activation tip for this question is we do not know. The jury is out. There are some initial studies that look at this association and for patients and how they take care of their hair. If patients have a concern about hair straightener products in general, then maybe it’s time to start avoiding them. But if it’s something that is really important to you and is a crux of who you are as a human being, then I’m not sure we have enough data to say you should absolutely avoid this, and this is contributing to your cancer risk.


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Should Some Gynecologic Cancer Patients Seek a Specialist?

Should Some Gynecologic Cancer Patients Seek a Specialist? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Why might some gynecologic cancer patients want to see a specialist? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health explains the reasoning of seeing a specialist and why a specialist may not be seen in some areas.

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Lisa Hatfield:

A lot of people in our audience are going to community facilities for their care. Do you recommend for patients who are diagnosed with any type of gynecologic cancer to seek out a specialist or a subspecialist to get more information or do you feel confident that they can ask these questions if they’re a local oncologist, if they do not specialize, if they’re more of a general oncologist versus a specialist?

Dr. Charlotte Gamble:

This is such a nuanced question and is probably a little bit controversial within the oncology sphere. So endometrial cancer is a gynecologic cancer. And because of that, historically, the providers that have the most specific expertise in that area have traditionally been gynecologic oncologists. These are both surgeons as well as oncologists that do the surgery as well as the chemotherapy or the targeted therapy. We are now in a space where sometimes that care is a little bit fractioned, and there’s different ways of practicing within this realm of gynecologic oncology throughout the country.

And so some health systems have gynecologic oncologists, more of the surgeons that work very closely in partnership with medical oncologists that might treat specifically gynecologic cancers, or sometimes are more general medical oncologists that treat multiple different kinds of cancers. I would say that, and then there are some places where gynecologic oncologists do it all.

So I actually work in a hybrid system where I, in one hospital that I work at, I’m the gynecologic oncologist and do both the surgeries as well as the chemotherapy. And then at a community site that I work with, I do the surgeries and I work closely with general medical oncologists who are able to provide the chemotherapy or the targeted therapies.

I would say that for patients who are receiving care within a general medical oncology practice, a very good question to ask their medical oncologist would be, are you in contact or how closely do you work with gynecologic oncologists in terms of taking care of patients with gynecologic cancers? Because traditionally, medical oncologists might not receive the depth of education in gynecologic cancers that gynecological oncologists actually need to go through and that patients deserve.  And I have worked with several medical oncologists who are absolutely wonderful, but it is a close partnership that we are making these plans together and they understand the gynecological oncology literature and I’m able to guide those therapies for my patients. 

Lisa Hatfield:

That’s great clarification for patients who might be facing this disease and a great question they can pose to their local oncologist. So thank you for that.


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Advancements in Endometrial Cancer Trials | Insights and Opportunities

Advancements in Endometrial Cancer Trials: Insights and Opportunities from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

What’s important for endometrial cancer patients to know about clinical trials? Expert Dr. Charlotte Gamble from MedStar Health discusses novel therapies under study, treatments that are showing promising results, and patient advice on clinical trials.

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“…be able to ask your doctor about if you’re eligible for clinical trials, what your cancer mutational or genetic code is that might make you eligible for certain clinical trials, and where those trials are offered, if it’s at the health system that you are seeking care, or if it’s at a nearby health system, if you’re able and willing to travel.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

So, Dr. Gamble, this is kind of a three-part question about clinical trials. Can you talk a little bit about ongoing clinical trials that are investigating novel therapies for advanced endometrial cancer? And then maybe talk a little bit about some promising or encouraging results that you’re seeing with trials? And last part of the question is, what do you want people living with endometrial cancer to know about clinical trials?  

Dr. Charlotte Gamble

I’m so glad you asked this question. This is such a valuable question and an area of a lot of interest that has improved over the past several years, not only about clinical trials and the real need to make sure that patients are aware of them and to ensure that these clinical trials represent the populations that we intend to serve as healthcare providers in the United States, but also specifically in the world of endometrial cancer. Really exciting, promising results that we’ve had over the past year, year-and-a-half specifically that address the very desperate need for novel therapeutics to treat patients who have endometrial cancer.

So, for example, two major trials were published last year, presented at international meetings, looking at the real improvement in overall survival, really increasing the length of time patients can live with endometrial cancer that leverage the use of drugs called immunotherapy. So things like dostarlimab-gxly (Jemperli) or pembrolizumab (Keytruda), these are generic names for immunotherapy drugs that work very well in some subsets of patients with endometrial cancer.

This is something, some survival benefits that we have never seen before in the endometrial cancer space and rarely seen in the gynecologic oncology space and is a definite marker of huge success in terms of extending the lifespan of patients who suffer from this challenging to treat understudied, underfunded disease. Endometrial cancer is actually one of the lowest funded studies in the National Cancer Institute at NIH.

And so having major trials come out over the past couple of years that really look at survival opportunities with the leveraged use of immunotherapies is something that is both exciting and invigorating to the field and hopefully can potentiate further funding from the NCI to be able to study this disease type. In terms of your question for what patients should know about, about ongoing trials, I think this dovetails into several of the points that we’ll discuss during this interview of making sure that patients are their own advocate and having an advocate nearby and with them at all of their appointments.

 So it’s really important to ask their subspecialists, their oncologists or their gynecologic oncologists about if there are any clinical trials that the patients are eligible for. A lot of this comes down to, has the patient undergone genetic testing or molecular sequencing that looks at the specific mutations in the cancer tissue that sometimes will make patients eligible for certain clinical trials or others? And other times it’s just understanding that what opportunities are available within the health system and outside the healthcare system in which the patient is seeking care.

A lot of times when we see that these trials that are published might not represent a racially diverse group of patients. Oftentimes it’s because of two reasons. One, patients aren’t even offered clinical trials, even if they are eligible. Or two, patients might be getting care at a health facility that doesn’t have access or the infrastructure to enroll them on these clinical trials that could be available, perhaps at a regionally nearby cancer center.

I oftentimes suggest to patients, please ask me questions about your molecular subtyping. Ask me questions about what clinical trials you might be available for. There is a significant amount of trust that the health system needs to earn back from patients to allow them the headspace to trust the health system again, given historical, massive, ethical issues and trials in the past and patients and their loved ones feeling that clinical trials just means a big experiment and they don’t want to be experimented on. And what I often say to that is really, you have to understand the details of the trial and the science going into it and make sure that your doctor has your best interests at heart. But oftentimes these trials hold significant promise.

And the reason that you might be eligible for them is that the trial drugs might work better than standard of care, certainly for endometrial cancer we’ve seen that in the two major trials that came out this year. So I think my activation tip for this question is really to be able to ask your doctor about if you’re eligible for clinical trials, what your cancer mutational or genetic code is that might make you eligible for certain clinical trials, and where those trials are offered, if it’s at the health system that you are seeking care, or if it’s at a nearby health system, if you’re able and willing to travel.


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