Head and Neck Cancer | Key Factors Affecting Treatment Decisions

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What are key factors that impact head and neck cancer treatment decisions? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses the role of imaging tests, individual patient factors, and cancer characteristics in making treatment decisions. 

Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

How is a path decided then or determined for an individual patient? Is there key lab testing that can impact prognosis and treatment options? 

Dr. Cohen:

Once a patient comes to the attention of the team, and that will usually be accompanied by some sort of biopsy, some sort of pathological diagnosis to confirm that indeed, we’re dealing with let’s say, squamous cell carcinoma. Then the next thing we want to do is we want to stage the disease. And what that means is basically we want to know as much as possible, or accurately as possible, where the cancer is and how big it is.  

So, that would almost always involve scans, usually CT scans, sometimes a PET scan. And we can talk about the advantages and disadvantages of each. Sometimes an MRI in certain situations. But suffice it to say some sort of scan. Some sort of imaging that can tell us where the cancer is, how big it is, if there are any lymph nodes involved and if that cancer has spread beyond the head and neck area.

Once we stage the disease, most patients, and I think certainly most patients should be discussed, their pace, that is, should be discussed at a multidisciplinary tumor board. Where, again, all the specialists convene at the same time, and really go over all the data that are available on that individual and come up with a treatment recommendation.  

That treatment recommendation can be a single modality. So, some small tumors can just be addressed by surgery alone, or radiation therapy alone. But, for more advanced tumors, it is often all three modalities: surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. And the way they’re sequenced, the way they’re implemented, should be individualized for that specific patient. Again, with those two goals in mind: to cure the cancer and to preserve function.   

Katherine:

What else could guide a treatment decision? For instance, a patient’s co-morbidity, their age, things like that? 

Dr. Cohen:

All of those things. 

Katherine:

Yeah. 

Dr. Cohen:

So, beyond – and those are things of course that we would consider in the discussion, not only at the tumor board but of course with the patient. We know that the therapy that we often recommend is quite aggressive and toxic.  

Now, the justification for that is that we’re going to try to cure the cancer. And, so we think, and of course we discuss this with the patient, that putting the patient through this course of treatment is worthwhile, makes sense, because at the end of it, the goal is for the cancer to be gone. Now, not all patients will agree with that and of course, we, based on comorbidities and age and something we call performance status, we also want to make sure that the patient can get through this aggressive treatment.

Let me just go on a bit of a tangent and describe the therapy for a patient with local advanced head and neck cancer. It would involve about six to seven weeks of radiation, given Monday to Friday. Usually either weekly, or every three-week chemotherapy depending on the chemotherapy chosen.  

And possibly even surgery either before or after the combined chemotherapy and radiation. And so, we’re talking about at least a three-month course of treatment going from the start to recovery. Another three months of side effects that are less intense but still there. And it’s a lot for patients to go through. Patients and their caregivers.

And so, if we feel that there’s a serious comorbidity that would not allow the patient to do that, we sometimes have to alter treatment so that obviously, we don’t want to harm the patient with our treatment. Certainly we don’t want to put them in a life-threatening situation. So, we do have to take those things into account. The good thing about all this – or I guess the silver lining, if you will, is that these toxicities get better.   

Patients recover. So, what I tell patients is we’re going to put you through hell, but at the end of it, I want to be sitting across from you and saying the cancer is gone, and you’re swallowing, and you’re talking normally. 

How Is Head & Neck Cancer Treatment Approached?

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How is head and neck cancer treated? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses treatment methods that are utilized in head and neck cancer and details how an approach is chosen. 

Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

What is the typical route for a head and neck cancer patient? Does it start with surgery?  

Dr. Cohen:

Well, it really depends. And what I said is that head and neck cancer, for the most part, is a locally advanced disease. And I say that because it has certain implications about the way we think about treating patients. And what I mean by that is that the great majority of patients with head and neck cancer will initially present with either a localized tumor or a tumor with involved lymph nodes.

In other words, and that’s 90 percent, 90 percent of patients will present that way. In other words, it’s actually uncommon for patients with head and neck cancer to present with metastatic disease. That’s different than many other cancers. Lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, many times in those situations, patients when they come to the attention of a physician, unfortunately, already have metastatic disease. That’s not the case with head and neck.  

And so, what does that mean to have a disease that’s locally advanced? Well, the most important thing, the first thing, is that most patients, we are going to be treating with curative intent. That is, we’re going to try to cure the disease. The second thing is that the disease, and its treatment, are going to have functional outcomes, potentially for that patient.

And that gets back to something I was saying before in terms of think about how much of how we define being human happens above the clavicles. It’s really what makes us human. And so that has dramatic implications obviously for the patient. So, for head and neck cancer, the fact that it’s a locally advanced disease means that we’re going to think about curing the majority of patients, at least try to. But, we’re also going to think very strongly about how can we preserve those critical organs of swallowing and speaking and socializing?  

It also is a disease that tends to recur or come back in a locally advanced fashion. And that’s the other part of why I call it a locally advanced disease. So, unfortunately, oftentimes when head and neck cancer recurs, and obviously we try to avoid that, it comes back in the same area. And, of course that has the same implications for what we try to do with treating patients.  

Katherine:

So, even using radiation and chemotherapy, other immunotherapies, the cancer will still come back? 

Dr. Cohen:

Yeah. Yeah. And I realized I didn’t really answer your question in terms of the approach to the patient. I just gave you some general guidelines. So, let me step back and talk a little bit about that. And then we can talk about the integration of different modalities. 

Katherine:

Sure. 

Dr. Cohen:

The approach really, it depends on a few things. The primary is really where the tumor is, where the primary tumor is.  

And the reason behind that is what I as saying about the functional outcome. For instance, if somebody has a small tumor of their tongue, of the front of their tongue let’s say, a surgeon can easily remove that and the patient can continue to speak and swallow normally. And so, in cases like that, obviously we would do surgery first and then, if the patient needed it for whatever reason, we might follow up with radiation or chemotherapy.

The converse is true for a tumor that may be farther back in the throat. So, let’s say an area called the oropharynx that involves the throat that you can see, the part of the throat that you can see when you open your mouth widely. Well, if we take out a tumor there, that will have much more significant implications for long-term function. The patient may not be able to swallow or speak normally again.  

And so, for those types of tumors, we would take a non-surgical approach. Not that surgery couldn’t be done, it could. But, sometimes it’s better not to do surgery up front to preserve function. So, again, it’s those two goals that we have to keep in mind. We want to cure the cancer, but we want to preserve function. 

Katherine:

Right. 

Dr. Cohen:

Then you mentioned about chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy. And in a non-surgical approach, that’s what we would do first. We would do either radiation therapy alone, or radiation and chemotherapy. And that primarily depends on how extensive the cancer is. The more advanced it is, the more likely we are to add chemotherapy. Because we know from clinical trials, getting back to the importance of clinical trials, we know that adding chemotherapy in advanced cancers does improve survival. And so, that’s predicated on really where the cancer is and how large it is. 

Katherine:

What about treating more advanced disease? Are the choices different? 

Dr. Cohen:

Sure. Well, let’s define what we mean by more advanced. If the cancer is still localized, so even if it’s advanced, let’s say it’s a large tumor that’s invading other structures. Let’s say there’s a lot of lymph nodes involved. We would still take – assuming the patient, ultimately, it’s always the patient’s decision. We would recommend to the patient often that we try to take a curative approach.

And that curative approach in quite locally advanced cancers would almost involve everybody, so, chemotherapy, radiation ,and surgery. Almost always involve those things to try to eradicate the cancer. If we’re talking about an advanced cancer in the sense that the cancer had come back, so it’s recurrent or it had metastasized, then we really are talking about mostly systemic therapy or some sort of drug therapy.  

And now, that almost for all patients, includes immunotherapy. Again, based on the results of clinical trials. That’s relatively new. That’s been approved now for about five years, maybe six. But it has led to dramatic improvements in outcome for these patients. Now, when we look at the long-term data from these clinical trials, we’re beginning to see that about one in five patients with recurrent or metastatic disease are still alive five, six, even seven years later. That’s something that we did not see in the past. And so, immunotherapy has been a tremendous advance forward. Now, of course, the other side of that is four out of five patients are still dying so we clearly need to do better. But the fact that one out of five is surviving is amazing. 

Head and Neck Cancer Research | How Innovation Leads to Advances in Care

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How can innovation lead to head and neck cancer research advances? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses how improvements in technology have led to changes in diagnostics, therapeutics, surgery, and radiation. 

Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

How are innovations in technologies accelerating head and neck cancer research? 

Dr. Cohen:

I think, in many ways. First there’s – we mentioned the multidisciplinary approach of head and neck cancer and each of the disciplines, the major therapeutic disciplines, being medical oncology, radiation and surgery, really have had dramatic technological advances in the last, certainly in the last decade, maybe a little bit longer.  

For the surgery, it’s been the ability to do minimally invasive surgery, usually through a robot called transoral resection. And this is, as the name implies, literally a robot that’s controlled at the side of the operating room or even sometimes controlled remotely. But the advantage is that the instrument is much smaller than the human hand, and it can articulate in every degree possible. Which, obviously, the human hand has restrictions.

So, in other words, that robot can get into places and get into areas that would be very difficult without a much bigger surgery if done without the robot. And now, that surgery called TORS, transoral robotic surgery, has become pretty well, pretty standard for cancers of the base of the tongue and the oral pharynx.  

That is really the back of the throat. Whereas in the past, in order to access those areas, the patient’s jaw would have to have been split, and the area had been opened. Now, that’s not necessary at all, and the surgery has turned into a much, much faster recovery with equivalent oncologic outcomes. And, of course, there’s more advancements going on in that regard.

For radiation, I think the most relevant technological advances have been the ability to focus radiation through different means on the tumor and spare normal tissue. Whether that’s with something called IMRT, which is essentially a much more sophisticated way to deliver radiation that is controlled by a computer that allows the radiation fields to be contoured around structures in a 3D fashion, much more than we were able to do prior to that.  

And, of course, the other way is to use a different type of energy. Whereas conventional radiation, when we talk about radiation, we’re talking about photons. Protons, now, are becoming more widely available. And that particle has a different way to deliver energy and can actually spare normal tissue but still deliver the energy desired to the tumor. So, tremendous advances in radiation.

And then, of course, for medical oncologists, we’ve had advancements in both diagnostics and in therapeutics. 10 years ago, sequencing a cancer, deciphering the genes that drive it, the mutations that drive it, was uncommon. And, in fact, even I dare say, frowned upon by the community.  

But now, there isn’t a patient that I see who has recurrent or metastatic disease that I don’t sequence. I sequence them all. 

Katherine:

Wow.  

Dr. Cohen:

Because the technology is readily available and quite honestly, it gives us more information that we might be able to apply to the treatment of that patient. So, that’s been a very large, a very big advancement. And then, of course, therapeutically we’ve had different agents that we’ve been able to look at. I mentioned immunotherapy. There are many new drugs that are being tested and hopefully very soon even approved for patients with head and neck cancer.  

Head and Neck Cancer Clinical Trials | What Are the Benefits?

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What benefits can head and neck cancer clinical trials bring to patients? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses clinical trial participation rates, explains how trials move research forward, and details questions to ask your doctor when considering joining a clinical trial. 

Dr. Ezra Cohen is a medical oncologist, head and neck cancer researcher and Chief Medical Officer of Oncology at Tempus Labs.

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Transcript:

 Katherine:

A key part of research moving forward is the clinical trial process. Can you talk about the benefits of patient participation?  

Dr. Cohen:

Of course. And I’m certainly a firm believer. It’s been part of what I’ve been doing for, again, over 20 years. And, so, certainly I think clinical trials are a critical component of our ability to produce better outcomes and move forward. The sobering reality is that only 3  percent of adult patients actually participate in clinical trials.  

Katherine:

Wow. 

Dr. Cohen:

And if we’re really going to move the field forward and be where we want to be with cancer, and that is to either cure as many people as we can or turn cancer into a chronic disease, better yet in many individuals, detect it early and prevent it. We need much greater participation in clinical trials. So, that being said, nothing is going to happen, we are not going to make strides forward in therapeutics and diagnostics, whatever in prevention, without clinical trials. Even the basic standards of care that we engage in now, and I mentioned that drug pembrolizumab (Keytruda), that was approved on the basis of a large randomized clinical trial.  

Now, having said that, I think patients – part of the responsibility is on patients to ask their provider, “Well, what about clinical trials?” There is almost always a clinical trial that is available given a specific setting. The challenge is that it may not be available where the patient is seeking care. And there is a large disconnect in that regard. Now, there are different organizations that are trying to improve that, improve the diversity of participation in clinical trials and the equality of availability of clinical trials to the entire population, not just people going to large academic medical centers. But, that’s the first thing I would tell patients, is part of the list of questions that you have for your provider, especially at the beginning and throughout the entire process, is there a clinical trial that would be applicable to my situation?  

And if the answer is, “Well, no.” The follow-up should be, “Well, what about in the area?” Or, “What about something that may not necessarily be available in this practice but what about somewhere else in town or somewhere I could access?” Of course, that may not be possible for all patients. But if it is, I would encourage all people to ask that question. And then there is a large responsibility, I think, on providers to make clinical trials available if we’re going to improve that number from 3 percent. 

There are a lot of exciting agents being studied now in head and neck cancer – immunotherapy drugs, antibody drug conjugates, novel mechanisms, cell therapies, vaccines. So, there’s certainly no paucity of interest in developing drugs in head and neck cancer and technologies as well. So, there are clinical trials available, and I think we, as a community, need to make a – need to do better in enrolling patients on those studies. 

Head and Neck Cancer Treatment and Research Updates

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What is the latest head and neck cancer news? Expert Dr. Ezra Cohen discusses research updates in immunotherapy and shares credible resources for staying informed about head and neck cancer treatment and research.

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Katherine:

Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to join us today. As you know, head and neck cancer research has been progressing quickly. What recent developments do you think patients should know about? 

Dr. Cohen:

Well, there are a lot, really. And I think probably the first and foremost is the impact that immunotherapy is having on treatment for head and neck cancer. And that is mostly in the form of a drug called pembrolizumab (Keytruda). It’s an anti-PD1 antibody that really – what it does is stimulate a specific cell type in the immune system called T cells. And now, it’s approved for the treatment of patients with recurrent or metastatic disease.

However, for patients, I think probably the most important development over the last little while is the realization of the important of the multidisciplinary team in the management of patients with head and neck cancer.  

It used to be that the care was driven by a single oncologist or a single individual, but over the last, I would say mostly over the last decade, maybe a little but more than that. There’s becoming this realization more and more and the implementation, of course, of these multidisciplinary approaches involving a surgeon, a radiation oncologist, a medical oncologist, but much more than that. A speech and language pathologist, a swallowing expert, nutritionist, psychologist, pharmacists, dentists, of course oral surgeons.  

With the, now, the prospective data to validate that in a multidisciplinary setting, with a multidisciplinary tumor board where each patient is discussed with all of these individuals providing input. The outcomes are substantially better. And so, for patients, I think that that’s had the greatest impact, because we’re talking about patients who can be cured for the most part.  

And those cure rates increasing just simply by getting the right people involved in their care. 

Katherine:

Yeah. Very important, then. As I mentioned a few minutes ago, patients should be aware of all of their options. How can patients stay informed as the treatment landscape expands and changes?  

Dr. Cohen:

Yeah. It’s challenging because not only are patients and their caregivers grappling with this diagnosis, and it’s a brand-new world for almost all of them. Many patients have never had to deal with cancer ever before. Pile onto that the functional and social aspects of having head and neck cancer. Remember this is a cancer that affects so much of what makes us human – our ability to communicate, to speak, to eat, to swallow. And so, now, patients are flung into this situation, and it is challenging to find good information.  

Having said that, often the oncologists that are involved in the person’s care should be a great source of information, especially if those oncologists have experience treating head and neck cancer. And incidentally, just as an aside, there is also data and mounting data that the more experienced a center is in treating head and neck cancer, the better the outcomes. And so, that’s something that patients may want to think about as they choose their providers.

But then there are also public sources. There are support groups for head and neck cancer. The Head and Neck Cancer Alliance is one of those. SPOHNC is another and they’re excellent sources of information for patients. American Cancer Society is always a very good source of information, mostly for cancer basics but they do have the pages that are dedicated to head and neck cancer.  

And then the American Society of Clinical Oncology, or ASCO, actually does have a patient-facing part of their organization, and that can help not only with information about the disease, but it can also help find providers that have a specific interest in this type of cancer. 

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Transcript:

Katherine:                  

Hello, and welcome. I’m your host, Katherine Banwell. As patients collaborate on treatment decisions with their healthcare team, it’s important that they understand all of their options and how these options may be impacted by research developments. And that’s why the Patient Empowerment Network, or PEN, created the Evolve series. To arm you with the latest information and help you feel empowered and confident during conversations about your care. In today’s program, we’re going to hear from an expert in the field about the evolving treatment landscape and discuss how you can play an active role in your care.

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Well, let’s meet our guest today, Dr. Ezra Cohen. Dr. Cohen, welcome. Would you please introduce yourself?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Thanks very much. Thanks for the invitation. So, I am Ezra Cohen. I am a medical oncologist and have been involved in head and neck cancer research for about 20 years in the laboratory and in the clinic. And it’s been my main focus of research for that time period.

Thanks for having me.

Katherine:                  

Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to join us today. As you know, head and neck cancer research has been progressing quickly. What recent developments do you think patients should know about?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, there are a lot, really. And I think probably the first and foremost is the impact that immunotherapy is having on treatment for head and neck cancer. And that is mostly in the form of a drug called pembrolizumab (Keytruda). It’s an anti-PD1 antibody that really – what it does is stimulate a specific cell type in the immune system called T cells. And now, it’s approved for the treatment of patients with recurrent or metastatic disease. However, for patients, I think probably the most important development over the last little while is the realization of the important of the multidisciplinary team in the management of patients with head and neck cancer.

It used to be that the care was driven by a single oncologist or a single individual, but over the last, I would say mostly over the last decade, maybe a little but more than that. There’s becoming this realization more and more and the implementation, of course, of these multidisciplinary approaches involving a surgeon, a radiation oncologist, a medical oncologist, but much more than that. A speech and language pathologist, a swallowing expert, nutritionist, psychologist, pharmacists, dentists, of course oral surgeons.

With the, now, the prospective data to validate that in a multidisciplinary setting, with a multidisciplinary tumor board where each patient is discussed with all of these individuals providing input. The outcomes are substantially better. And so, for patients, I think that that’s had the greatest impact, because we’re talking about patients who can be cured for the most part.

And those cure rates increasing just simply by getting the right people involved in their care.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Very important, then. As I mentioned a few minutes ago, patients should be aware of all of their options. How can patients stay informed as the treatment landscape expands and changes?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. It’s challenging because not only are patients and their caregivers grappling with this diagnosis, and it’s a brand-new world for almost all of them. Many patients have never had to deal with cancer ever before. Pile onto that the functional and social aspects of having head and neck cancer. Remember this is a cancer that affects so much of what makes us human – our ability to communicate, to speak, to eat, to swallow. And so, now, patients are flung into this situation, and it is challenging to find good information.

Having said that, often the oncologists that are involved in the person’s care should be a great source of information, especially if those oncologists have experience treating head and neck cancer. And incidentally, just as an aside, there is also data and mounting data that the more experienced a center is in treating head and neck cancer, the better the outcomes. And so, that’s something that patients may want to think about as they choose their providers.

But then there are also public sources. There are support groups for head and neck cancer. The Head and Neck Cancer Alliance is one of those. SPOHNC is another and they’re excellent sources of information for patients. American Cancer Society is always a very good source of information, mostly for cancer basics but they do have the pages that are dedicated to head and neck cancer.

And then the American Society of Clinical Oncology, or ASCO, actually does have a patient-facing part of their organization, and that can help not only with information about the disease, but it can also help find providers that have a specific interest in this type of cancer.

Katherine:                  

Those are all great resources. Thank you. A key part of research moving forward is the clinical trial process. Can you talk about the benefits of patient participation?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Of course. And I’m certainly a firm believer. It’s been part of what I’ve been doing for, again, over 20 years. And, so, certainly I think clinical trials are a critical component of our ability to produce better outcomes and move forward. The sobering reality is that only 3  percent of adult patients actually participate in clinical trials.

Katherine:                  

Wow.

Dr. Cohen:                  

And if we’re really going to move the field forward and be where we want to be with cancer, and that is to either cure as many people as we can or turn cancer into a chronic disease, better yet in many individuals, detect it early and prevent it. We need much greater participation in clinical trials. So, that being said, nothing is going to happen, we are not going to make strides forward in therapeutics and diagnostics, whatever in prevention, without clinical trials. Even the basic standards of care that we engage in now, and I mentioned that drug pembrolizumab, that was approved on the basis of a large randomized clinical trial.

Now, having said that, I think patients – part of the responsibility is on patients to ask their provider, “Well, what about clinical trials?” There is almost always a clinical trial that is available given a specific setting. The challenge is that it may not be available where the patient is seeking care. And there is a large disconnect in that regard.

Now, there are different organizations that are trying to improve that, improve the diversity of participation in clinical trials and the equality of availability of clinical trials to the entire population, not just people going to large academic medical centers. But, that’s the first thing I would tell patients, is part of the list of questions that you have for your provider, especially at the beginning and throughout the entire process, is there a clinical trial that would be applicable to my situation?

And if the answer is, “Well, no.” The follow-up should be, “Well, what about in the area?” Or, “What about something that may not necessarily be available in this practice but what about somewhere else in town or somewhere I could access?” Of course, that may not be possible for all patients. But if it is, I would encourage all people to ask that question. And then there is a large responsibility, I think, on providers to make clinical trials available if we’re going to improve that number from 3 percent.

There are a lot of exciting agents being studied now in head and neck cancer – immunotherapy drugs, antibody drug conjugates, novel mechanisms, cell therapies, vaccines. So, there’s certainly no paucity of interest in developing drugs in head and neck cancer and technologies as well. So, there are clinical trials available, and I think we, as a community, need to make a – need to do better in enrolling patients on those studies.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Before we talk about the currently available treatment options, I think for many people there’s confusion about what neck and head cancer is. How would you describe this group of cancers?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. And we do make it confusing, a little bit. So, the confusion is well-founded. When I talk about head and neck cancer, and I think when most of us talk about head and neck cancer, we’re really thinking about three major cancer types. The first is mucosal squamous cell carcinoma. I’ll get into that in just a second. The second is thyroid cancer, and the third are salivary gland cancers. Those are the cancers that I primarily see in my head/neck cancer clinic. We don’t see brain cancer. A lot of people think, “Well, head and neck cancer should include brain cancer.” Brain cancer really is a completely different entity, different biology, different set of physicians, different set of treatments.

And so, the way I explain it simply is everything above the clavicles but not the brain. Having said that, the majority of patients that we see in our clinic, do have squamous cell carcinoma. And those cancers start in the lining of the mouth and the throat. So, tongue cancer, throat cancer, larynx cancer, those all fall under head and neck cancer, and those are the most common malignancies that we see.

Katherine:                  

How are innovations in technologies accelerating head and neck cancer research?

Dr. Cohen:

I think, in many ways. First there’s – we mentioned the multidisciplinary approach of head and neck cancer. and each of the disciplines, the major therapeutic disciplines, being medical oncology, radiation and surgery, really have had dramatic technological advances in the last, certainly in the last decade, maybe a little bit longer.

For the surgery, it’s been the ability to do minimally invasive surgery, usually through a robot called transoral resection. And this is, as the name implies, literally a robot that’s controlled at the side of the operating room or even sometimes controlled remotely. But the advantage is that the instrument is much smaller than the human hand, and it can articulate in every degree possible. Which, obviously, the human hand has restrictions.

So, in other words, that robot can get into places and get into areas that would be very difficult without a much bigger surgery if done without the robot. And now, that surgery called TORS, transoral robotic surgery, has become pretty well, pretty standard for cancers of the base of the tongue and the oral pharynx.

That is really the back of the throat. Whereas in the past, in order to access those areas, the patient’s jaw would have to have been split, and the area had been opened. Now, that’s not necessary at all, and the surgery has turned into a much, much faster recovery with equivalent oncologic outcomes. And, of course, there’s more advancements going on in that regard.

For radiation, I think the most relevant technological advances have been the ability to focus radiation through different means on the tumor and spare normal tissue. Whether that’s with something called IMRT, which is essentially a much more sophisticated way to deliver radiation that is controlled by a computer that allows the radiation fields to be contoured around structures in a 3D fashion, much more than we were able to do prior to that.

And, of course, the other way is to use a different type of energy. Whereas conventional radiation, when we talk about radiation, we’re talking about photons. Protons, now, are becoming more widely available. And that particle has a different way to deliver energy and can actually spare normal tissue but still deliver the energy desired to the tumor. So, tremendous advances in radiation.

And then, of course, for medical oncologists, we’ve had advancements in both diagnostics and in therapeutics. 10 years ago, sequencing a cancer, deciphering the genes that drive it, the mutations that drive it, was uncommon. And, in fact, even I dare say, frowned upon by the community.

But now, there isn’t a patient that I see who has recurrent or metastatic disease that I don’t sequence. I sequence them all.

Katherine:                  

Wow.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Because the technology is readily available and quite honestly, it gives us more information that we might be able to apply to the treatment of that patient. So, that’s been a very large, a very big advancement. And then, of course, therapeutically we’ve had different agents that we’ve been able to look at. I mentioned immunotherapy. There are many new drugs that are being tested and hopefully very soon even approved for patients with head and neck cancer.

Katherine:                  

That’s great. I want to mention to our viewers that if you want more basic information, PEN has created a head and neck caner toolkit, which includes information about diagnosis and staging. And you can find it at powerfulpatients.org. So, Dr. Cohen, I’d like to move onto treatment approaches, and you’ve already mentioned some of them.

What is the typical route for a head and neck cancer patient? Does it start with surgery?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, it really depends. And what I said is that head and neck cancer, for the most part, is a locally advanced disease. And I say that because it has certain implications about the way we think about treating patients. And what I mean by that is that the great majority of patients with head and neck cancer will initially present with either a localized tumor or a tumor with involved lymph nodes.

In other words, and that’s 90 percent, 90 percent of patients will present that way. In other words, it’s actually uncommon for patients with head and neck cancer to present with metastatic disease. That’s different than many other cancers. Lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, many times in those situations, patients when they come to the attention of a physician, unfortunately, already have metastatic disease. That’s not the case with head and neck.

And so, what does that mean to have a disease that’s locally advanced? Well, the most important thing, the first thing, is that most patients, we are going to be treating with curative intent. That is, we’re going to try to cure the disease. The second thing is that the disease, and its treatment, are going to have functional outcomes, potentially for that patient.

And that gets back to something I was saying before in terms of think about how much of how we define being human happens above the clavicles. It’s really what makes us human. And so that has dramatic implications obviously for the patient. So, for head and neck cancer, the fact that it’s a locally advanced disease means that we’re going to think about curing the majority of patients, at least try to. But, we’re also going to think very strongly about how can we preserve those critical organs of swallowing and speaking and socializing?

It also is a disease that tends to recur or come back in a locally advanced fashion. And that’s the other part of why I call it a locally advanced disease. So, unfortunately, oftentimes when head and neck cancer recurs, and obviously we try to avoid that, it comes back in the same area. And, of course that has the same implications for what we try to do with treating patients.

Katherine:                 

So, even using radiation and chemotherapy, other immunotherapies, the cancer will still come back?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. Yeah. And I realized I didn’t really answer your question in terms of the approach to the patient. I just gave you some general guidelines. So, let me step back and talk a little bit about that. And then we can talk about the integration of different modalities.

Katherine:                  

Sure.

Dr. Cohen:                  

The approach really, it depends on a few things. The primary is really where the tumor is, where the primary tumor is.

nd the reason behind that is what I as saying about the functional outcome. For instance, if somebody has a small tumor of their tongue, of the front of their tongue let’s say, a surgeon can easily remove that and the patient can continue to speak and swallow normally. And so, in cases like that, obviously we would do surgery first and then, if the patient needed it for whatever reason, we might follow up with radiation or chemotherapy.

The converse is true for a tumor that may be farther back in the throat. So, let’s say an area called the oropharynx that involves the throat that you can see, the part of the throat that you can see when you open your mouth widely. Well, if we take out a tumor there, that will have much more significant implications for long-term function. The patient may not be able to swallow or speak normally again.

And so, for those types of tumors, we would take a non-surgical approach. Not that surgery couldn’t be done, it could. But, sometimes it’s better not to do surgery up front to preserve function. So, again, it’s those two goals that we have to keep in mind. We want to cure the cancer, but we want to preserve function.

Katherine:                  

Right.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Then you mentioned about chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy. And in a non-surgical approach, that’s what we would do first. We would do either radiation therapy alone, or radiation and chemotherapy. And that primarily depends on how extensive the cancer is. The more advanced it is, the more likely we are to add chemotherapy. Because we know from clinical trials, getting back to the importance of clinical trials, we know that adding chemotherapy in advanced cancers does improve survival. And so, that’s predicated on really where the cancer is and how large it is.

Katherine:                  

What about treating more advanced disease? Are the choices different?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Sure. Well, let’s define what we mean by more advanced. If the cancer is still localized, so even if it’s advanced, let’s say it’s a large tumor that’s invading other structures. Let’s say there’s a lot of lymph nodes involved. We would still take – assuming the patient, ultimately, it’s always the patient’s decision. We would recommend to the patient often that we try to take a curative approach. And that curative approach in quite locally advanced cancers would almost involve everybody, so, chemotherapy, radiation ,and surgery. Almost always involve those things to try to eradicate the cancer. If we’re talking about an advanced cancer in the sense that the cancer had come back, so it’s recurrent or it had metastasized, then we really are talking about mostly systemic therapy or some sort of drug therapy.

And now, that almost for all patients, includes immunotherapy. Again, based on the results of clinical trials. That’s relatively new. That’s been approved now for about five years, maybe six. But it has led to dramatic improvements in outcome for these patients. Now, when we look at the long-term data from these clinical trials, we’re beginning to see that about one in five patients with recurrent or metastatic disease are still alive five, six, even seven years later. That’s something that we did not see in the past. And so, immunotherapy has been a tremendous advance forward. Now, of course, the other side of that is four out of five patients are still dying so we clearly need to do better. But the fact that one out of five is surviving is amazing.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It’s a lot. It’s a lot to take in and consider. And I can’t imagine how difficult it is for the patients and the caregivers. So, now that we understand what the approaches are, how is a path decided then or determined for an individual patient? Is there key lab testing that can impact prognosis and treatment options?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Once a patient comes to the attention of the team, and that will usually be accompanied by some sort of biopsy, some sort of pathological diagnosis to confirm that indeed, we’re dealing with let’s say, squamous cell carcinoma. Then the next thing we want to do is we want to stage the disease. And what that means is basically we want to know as much as possible, or accurately as possible, where the cancer is and how big it is.

So, that would almost always involve scans, usually CT scans, sometimes a PET scan. And we can talk about the advantages and disadvantages of each. Sometimes an MRI in certain situations. But suffice it to say some sort of scan. Some sort of imaging that can tell us where the cancer is, how big it is, if there are any lymph nodes involved and if that cancer has spread beyond the head and neck area. Once we stage the disease, most patients, and I think certainly most patients should be discussed, their pace, that is, should be discussed at a multidisciplinary tumor board. Where, again, all the specialists convene at the same time, and really go over all the data that are available on that individual and come up with a treatment recommendation.

That treatment recommendation can be a single modality. So, some small tumors can just be addressed by surgery alone, or radiation therapy alone. But, for more advanced tumors, it is often all three modalities: surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. And the way they’re sequenced, the way they’re implemented, should be individualized for that specific patient. Again, with those two goals in mind: to cure the cancer and to preserve function.

Katherine:                  

What else could guide a treatment decision? For instance, a patient’s co-morbidity, their age, things like that?

Dr. Cohen:                  

All of those things.

Katherine:                  

Yeah.

Dr. Cohen:                  

So, beyond – and those are things of course that we would consider in the discussion, not only at the tumor board but of course with the patient. We know that the therapy that we often recommend is quite aggressive and toxic.

Now, the justification for that is that we’re going to try to cure the cancer. And, so we think, and of course we discuss this with the patient, that putting the patient through this course of treatment is worthwhile, makes sense, because at the end of it, the goal is for the cancer to be gone. Now, not all patients will agree with that and of course, we, based on comorbidities and age and something we call performance status, we also want to make sure that the patient can get through this aggressive treatment. Let me just go on a bit of a tangent and describe the therapy for a patient with local advanced head and neck cancer. It would involve about six to seven weeks of radiation, given Monday to Friday. Usually either weekly, or every three-week chemotherapy depending on the chemotherapy chosen.

And possibly even surgery either before or after the combined chemotherapy and radiation. And so, we’re talking about at least a three-month course of treatment going from the start to recovery. Another three months of side effects that are less intense but still there. And it’s a lot for patients to go through. Patients and their caregivers. And so, if we feel that there’s a serious comorbidity that would not allow the patient to do that, we sometimes have to alter treatment so that obviously, we don’t want to harm the patient with our treatment. Certainly we don’t want to put them in a life-threatening situation. So, we do have to take those things into account. The good thing about all this – or I guess the silver lining, if you will, is that these toxicities get better.

Patients recover. So, what I tell patients is we’re going to put you through hell, but at the end of it, I want to be sitting across from you and saying the cancer is gone, and you’re swallowing, and you’re talking normally.

Katherine:                  

Right. Right. So, there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Exactly.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. So, that leads me to my next question. Why is it so important, then, for patients to engage in their care and their treatment decisions?

Dr. Cohen:                  

I think it’s critical not only for patients but for their caregivers as well. And really, patients should arm themselves with information. And fortunately, we live in an age where information is more readily available. You don’t have to depend on a single source. Now, granted, that information can be confusing, and sometimes it’s way too confusing. Sometimes that information can even be misleading. So, one does have to be careful.

But, having said that, I think it’s so important for patients to arm themselves with information, different approaches, and what I often tell patients is get a second opinion. With one caveat, that I’ll get to in a second.  Because the reason is this is a life-threatening diagnosis for, unfortunately, many patients. And the first approach, our first chance to treat it is our best chance to treat it. So, you really want to make sure that you’re in a center that you’re comfortable with, preferably one that has experience. A provider that you’re comfortable with, that you feel at ease asking questions, you’re not intimidated and a plan that really makes sense for you and has taken into account what is this individual.

What’s our best approach to this individual? Not to an entire population but what are we going  to do for this person sitting in that chair at this time? Now, the caveat for second opinions, especially for patients with locally advanced disease, there is a time factor. And what I mean by that is I have seen patients get multiple opinions and delay the start of therapy, which we now realize impacts our ability to cure the cancer. And so, I would say it’s fine to get second opinions or even third opinions, but don’t take a lot of time doing it. The earlier therapy starts, the better our chance of curing the caner. So, there is sort of a balance there.

Katherine:                  

Well, that’s great advice, Dr. Cohen. PEN has also created downloadable office visit planners to help you organize your thoughts and communicate effectively with your healthcare team.

And that’s also in the toolkit I mentioned earlier at powerfulpatients.org. And I think this is a good segue into talking about the importance of self-advocacy. If a patient is feeling that they aren’t getting the best care or they’re uncomfortable with the care they’re getting, what steps should they take to change that?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, I think the first thing is talk to the provider. Just have that conversation. I think we have to realize that oncologists are human, and they’re people, and sometimes they get very busy. Sometimes they don’t pay attention to as much as they should. And sometimes, they don’t even know that there’s a problem. So, I would say the first thing to do is have a frank conversation with your provider. These are my questions. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Never be afraid to ask questions. These are my expectations.

Can you meet them? And in my experience, not even just personal experience, but working with many oncologists over two decades, most oncologists will say, “Oh, I didn’t realize that this was what you wanted. Let’s make it happen.” So, that I would say is the first thing. Talk to the people that are already taking care of you.

If, or whatever reason, that doesn’t work and you’re not comfortable, I would ask that provider, “Is there somebody else that – I would like to change. Is there somebody else that you would recommend?” In the worst-case scenario, that might involve going to a different institution. And the reason I say that’s a worst-case scenario is that especially in the setting of locally advanced disease, interrupting therapy or changing therapy in the middle really would have a dramatic adverse impact on outcome.

So, I would try to avoid that as much as possible. If there are natural points in the care where it makes sense to consider a change, I think that would be a lot less impactful and make more sense. For instance, if somebody is going from having completed a course of chemotherapy radiation, they now have no evidence of disease on their scans, and they want to switch to a center that is closer to home, for instance. That makes sense. And we have certainly many patients that do that and that’s a natural transition. But, to change in the middle of care, that can often have a dramatic negative impact.

Katherine:                  

Well, Dr. Cohen, thank you for sharing all this information. I’d like to close with your thoughts on the future of head and neck cancer care. Where are we headed and – excuse me – where are we headed, and what would you like to leave our audience with?

Dr. Cohen:                  

Well, I think there  are a few things I’ll emphasize, and I’ll talk a little but about the future. The first is this is, for many patients, a curable disease, and patients should think about what they need to set themselves up for the best outcome, both in terms of getting rid of the cancer and in terms of function. And I think those are seeking care at experienced centers with multidisciplinary teams and multidisciplinary tumor boards. That’s one.

Two would be that there are a lot of things that are happening and hopefully going to change the way we approach head and neck cancer in the near term. There are already drugs being tested for patients with locally advanced disease that we think are going to improve outcomes dramatically.

And there’s so much happening for patients with recurrent or metastatic disease with different agents and different technologies. That I really think in five years, we’ll be curing more patients with better outcomes in the locally advanced setting, and we’ll have patients that have recurrent metastatic disease where we would have felt that their survival would be counted in months, where it’s going to be counted in years, maybe even some of those patients being cured. So, the future, I think for cancer in general, but certainly for head and neck cancer, is incredibly optimistic.

Katherine:                  

Yeah. It’s such promising news, Dr. Cohen. And I want to thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it.

Dr. Cohen:                  

Yeah. My pleasure. Thanks for the invitation.

Katherine:                  

And thank you to all of our collaborators A– excuse me – and thank you to all of our collaborators. If you would like to watch this webinar again, there will be a replay available soon.

You’ll receive an email when it is ready. And please don’t forget to take the survey immediately following this webinar. It will help us as we plan future programs. To learn more about head and neck cancer and to access tools to help you become a proactive patient, visit powerfulpatients.org. I’m Katherine Banwell. Thanks for being with us.

What Factors Impact Head and Neck Cancer Treatment Decisions?

What Factors Impact Head and Neck Cancer Treatment Decisions? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Expert Dr. Ari Rosenberg discusses head and neck cancer treatment goals, factors that affect treatment decisions, and his perspective on the value of a second opinion.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

Let’s talk about treatment goals. What are the objectives of treatment? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so really, I would put them in sort of two different categories when you think about the goals of treatment. Number one is survival, or, if possible, achieving a cure, right? Cure meaning a treatment that five, 10, 15, 20 years down the road, we don’t see any evidence of recurrence, and trying to give the best opportunity for that.  

And living as long as possible for patients, I think, is the number one goal, and we do that with identifying the most effective treatments and support for a given head and neck cancer in a given situation. However, the other very, very important goal of treatment is to optimize long-term function and quality of life. Because in the setting of a very effective treatment against the cancer, we also want patients to have good function. What does that mean function? Speech, swallowing, ability to eat, taste. Have those things that are very, very important for quality of life, and we want to figure out whatever tools we need to achieve both of those goals, and optimize both of those goals, which can be different from patient to patient. 

Katherine:

What factors are considered when choosing a treatment? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, first of all, we think about the diagnosis, right? Is this a squamous cell carcinoma, or is this a different type of cancer, like a salivary gland cancer, or a thyroid cancer, because those are treated very differently. In terms of squamous cell carcinoma, we use the information about whether it’s HPV or non-HPV-related head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, and that has major implications for prognosis, and, therefore, potential treatment or clinical trial options.   

We also think about the location of the tumor, and the extent, and the stage. So, is this is a very small tongue cancer, or is this a very large cancer that started in the back of the throat that has already spread to lymph nodes? Both of those, obviously, would be very different treatment options. So, location, and the extent of spread.   

Oftentimes, treatment considerations need to take into account – or always, I would say – take into account a patient’s specific factors. How old, other medical problems, other medications, previous treatments that patients have received, are very, very important. And then today, in 2023, we have many targeted molecular characterizations, so we can actually obtain a lot of information from the tumor itself that can also help identify the biological character that can help predict which is the right treatment for a given patient.  

So oftentimes, that means looking for genetic mutations, HPV DNA in tumor, or immune markers, such as PDL1, which is an immune marker that we use to predict responsiveness to immunotherapy. These are all datapoints that come into our evaluation to identify what the best, really unique, treatment approach would be for a given patient. 

Katherine:

What do you feel is the patient’s role in making treatment decisions? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

Very important. You always discuss the situation of the patient, in terms of their cancer. What their diagnosis is, what some of these characteristics are, what the staging is, what the extent of disease is. And then we talk to the patients about what their goals are, what’s most important to them, and figuring out what the treatment paradigms are that help to meet those goals. 

And so, it’s very, very important, and it’s very important that patients have a conversation with their oncology treatment team for head and neck cancer about what their goals, what’s most important to them, and how they can best achieve those goals in the context of head and neck cancer treatment planning. 

Katherine:

Yeah. So, it sounds like there’s a lot of factors taken into consideration then. 

Dr. Rosenberg:

Definitely. 

Katherine:

I’d like to turn to self-advocacy now. If a patient is feeling uncomfortable with the direction of their treatment plan or their care, do you think they should consider a second opinion, or even consult a specialist? 

 Dr. Rosenberg:

So, yes. I think, especially if a patient is feeling uncomfortable, it is always a good idea to get a second opinion, and to have another fresh set of eyes evaluate the case. Whether it means that that second opinion will reinforce the plan and give the patient more confidence in the plan that was proposed, or whether it means a potentially alternative plan that may be suggested for different reasons. And that allows the patient to have the autonomy and the facility to be able to help figure out which of the treatment team that is most appropriate for them. 

At the end of the day, head and neck cancer doctors want what’s best for patients. They want patients to do well, and that means that supporting patients in whatever – they want to do what will be best for them. I think all of us want that for patients. I think that’s definitely the case. 

Katherine:

Yeah. What would you say to patients who may be nervous about maybe hurting their doctor’s feelings by getting a second opinion? Can you reassure them in some way?  

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah. I mean, I would say that you shouldn’t worry about that, because doctors really do truly want their patients to do well. We go to this field because we want to help people, we want to help patients do better. And oftentimes, that means second opinion. So, I could tell you that I’m highly supportive of that.  

And the other thing I’ll just say is that head and neck cancer is a really specialized type of cancer, in terms of cancer treatment. And so, it is a good idea, in my view, and in my opinion, to be evaluated by an experienced head and neck cancer treatment team. One of the treatment teams that tends to see a very large volume, has a lot of experience treating head and neck cancer because that experience, I do think, is important for optimizing treatment outcomes. 

Emerging Treatments for Head and Neck Cancer

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Transcript:

Katherine:

Well, that leads us to my next question, which is where do clinical trials fit in? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, clinical trials are really important for head and neck cancer because as much as we have tools to treat the disease, the tools that we have are suboptimal.  

They’re what we have, they’re what we use, and they can be quite successful in many cases, however, we can do better. We need better treatments for head and neck cancer. So, broadly, the clinical trials can actually be across multiple different treatment settings, whether earlier stage disease, or later stage disease. And the goal of the clinical trials are often to develop better treatments. What can that mean? Treatments that work better against the cancer, so help patients live longer with better quality of life. 

Sometimes clinical trials evaluate strategies to reduce the toxicity, or the side effects associated with treatment, so many trials are trying to evaluate strategies to reduce some of those kinds of side effects with the treatment. And then many trials are also trying to use, for example, new biomarkers, or new tests, which can help sometimes predict which is the right treatment for the right patient.  

One patient may need a more aggressive treatment, one may need a less intensive treatment. So, at our center, for example, we have clinical trials that, depending on the particular circumstance for those patients, that are trying to take what we have as the current standard, and build on that, to either improve survival and outcomes for patients, or reduce side effects, or both in order to optimize patient outcomes.  

Many of our clinical trials incorporate new immune therapies. So, immune therapy treatments are strategies that harness the body’s immune system to attack cancer, and we’re trying to identify new ways to do that. Some of our clinical trials are focused on trying to make the radiation, or the chemotherapy and the radiation, a bit more precise, and focused on the specific tumor. And some are focused on identifying what the best treatment would be for one particular person’s tumor, because we know that actually it’s many different diseases.  

And so, we want to really figure out what the optimized treatment is for giving patients that increases survival while reducing treatment-related toxicity. Again, that’s really the overarching goal of what we’re trying to achieve with clinical trials for head and neck cancer.  

Katherine:

Yeah. What about emerging approaches for treating head and neck cancer? Is there research going on that patients should know about?  

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, definitely. So, many new drugs are being developed for head and neck cancer with many different treatment strategies. I would say given the success of immune therapy recently for head and neck cancer, and other cancer types as well, many are trying to build on that, and identify better immune therapies that work better against cancer therapies. Some are targeted therapies, so developing new drugs that maybe target a specific mutation, or a specific change in a particular patient’s tumor that would be appropriate. 

And the other thing that is being developed is strategies that incorporate, for example, blood tests that can sometimes measure tumor DNA in blood in a non-invasive fashion that can reveal all sorts of specific information about that particular patient’s tumor, how they’re responding to therapy, and can hopefully help optimize and personalize therapy. So those are some of the more emerging approaches that are being developed in clinical trials for head and neck cancer. 

How Can Head and Neck Cancer Patients Benefit From Palliative Care?

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Transcript:

Katherine:

What about palliative care? How can it help people with head and neck cancer? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so, I’ll start by defining palliative care, which I sort of would suggest is either a treatment team, or strategies to help palliate, or relieve, the symptoms associated with cancer, or with cancer-related treatment, which unfortunately for head and neck cancer can be quite substantial. The location of cancers in the head and neck space can have a very large impact on pain, quality of life, speech, swallowing function, and man, many more. And the treatments as well, chemoradiation, surgery, things like that in the head and neck space can also have major impacts on quality of life, and some of those symptoms that patients can experience.  

So, oftentimes, management of those treatments – whether with appropriate pain medicines, medicines to help with some of the other side effects of treatment – even support for speech therapies, swallowing therapy, physical therapy, therapy to help with lymphedema, or some of the swelling that can occur with treatment – can all be very, very, very important.  

So, when patients come to my clinic, we spend much of the time discussing the treatment, and making sure that the treatment against the cancer is the right thing. But also, quite a bit of time focusing on what other things do we have to do to optimize that patient’s outcome, both in terms of survival, as well as function and quality of life.

What Head and Neck Cancer Treatment Options Are Currently Available?

What Head and Neck Cancer Treatment Options Are Currently Available? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Head and neck cancer expert Dr. Ari Rosenberg shares an overview of treatment types and explains how treatments may vary for individual patients.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

I’d like to pivot now to talk about treatment options for head and neck cancer. What types of treatments are currently available? 

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so it depends on lots of factors, and part of that is the type, and the stage, and the location, and things like that, but I can give some general perspectives. For very early-stage head and neck cancer, oftentimes, the treatment is either surgery or radiation alone, oftentimes some of the treatments. However, a lot of times, head and neck cancer can be local regionally advanced, or having spread to some of the local areas, such as lymph nodes within the head and neck space, and there it’s quite variable.  

Sometimes patients will get surgery first, followed by – depending on some of the specific factors – radiation, or radiation and chemotherapy afterwards.  

And oftentimes, for local regionally advanced head and neck cancer, treatment can include non-surgical therapy, such as chemoradiation, or chemotherapy and radiation-based approaches. And then, of course, for more advanced cases, either cases of head and neck cancer that either come back after treatment, or in cases that have spread to other parts of the body, we have other therapies, such as immunotherapy therapy, or immunotherapy with chemotherapy, or some of those kinds of treatment. So, generally, those are some of the options. But again, with head and neck cancer, it’s extremely personalized.  

The most important thing is that a multidisciplinary team is able to review the case as a group to figure out what type of treatment approach will optimize not only the likelihood of cure and survival, but also long-term function and quality of life. And whatever treatment modality is needed to achieve those goals, that’s what should be recommended with that type of multidisciplinary team.  

Katherine:

Yeah. Dr. Rosenberg, you touched upon this just a moment ago, but I would like to ask you to this question. Are the options different in any way for advanced or metastatic disease?  

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, the answer is yes, and the short answer is it depends. But I think the longer answer is that we have therapies that have been shown in more advanced disease, and we’re really talking about cases where cancer has come back, or has spread to other parts of the body, where we have new treatments that help patients in that challenging situation live longer. The main one has been the development of immunotherapy as a treatment option, either alone or in combination with chemotherapy, and that has really improved outcomes for patients with very advanced head and neck cancer treatment and cases. 

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When considering treatment options for head and neck cancer, what helps determine the best approach for YOU? Dr. Ari Rosenberg discusses key factors that impact head and neck cancer treatment decisions, emerging research, and tips for partnering with your healthcare team.

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Katherine:

Hello, and welcome. I’m Katherine Banwell, your host for today’s webinar. In this program, we’re going to help you learn more about head and neck cancer. What it is, how it’s treated, and we’ll share tools to help you work with your healthcare team to access the best care.

Before we meet our guest, let’s review a few important details. The reminder email you received about this program contains a link to a resource guide. If you haven’t already, click that link to access information to follow along during the webinar. At the end of this program, you’ll receive a link to a program survey. Please take a moment to provide feedback about your experience today in order to help us plan future webinars.

Finally, before we get into the discussion, please remember that this program is not a substitute for seeking medical advice. Please refer to your healthcare team about what might be best for you. Well, joining us today is Dr. Ari Rosenberg. Dr. Rosenberg, welcome, would you please introduce yourself?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Thanks so much, Katherine, for having me on the webinar. So, having introduced myself, my name is Ari Rosenberg, I am a medical oncologist focused on the treatment of head and neck cancer.

Katherine:

Excellent. And where are you based?

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, I practice out of University of Chicago, in Chicago, Illinois, and practice as part of a multidisciplinary head and neck cancer team, including head and neck surgeons, radiation oncologists, and many other support members of the treatment team.

Katherine:

Great. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us today, we really appreciate it.

Dr. Rosenberg:

Absolutely.

Katherine:

Well, let’s start by understanding what head and neck cancer is. Is it a group of cancers?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, that’s a great question. So, head and neck cancer is really any type of cancer that develops from the head and neck area. Generally arising from sometimes the mouth, the throat, the voice box are some of the more common areas, but even the sinuses or the nasal cavities are some other areas where head and neck cancer can arise.

The majority of head and neck cancers are actually called squamous cell carcinoma. About 95 percent are squamous cell carcinomas, and they tend to arrive from the mucosal lining of some of these different parts of the head and neck area.

However, the other 5 percent are other types of head and neck cancers, such as salivary gland cancers, or other rare types of cancers that can also arise in the head and neck.

And within head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, there’s really two different types that we think about – in 2023 at least. One is HPV-associated squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck, which is associated with a virus called HPV, or human papillomavirus. And, of course, we also see HPV-negative, or non-HPV-related cancers, which are the squamous cell carcinomas of the head and neck that can be associated, for example, with smoking or alcohol as the major cause of effect.

Katherine:

How is head and neck cancer staged?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so after the diagnosis of head and neck cancer, there’s generally a number of tests that are done to determine where it spreads to.

Where it started, where it spreads to, to figure out what the best treatment approach is. So, oftentimes, that starts with a physical examination, often in combination with an ENT, or a head and neck surgeon. Oftentimes, that will involve endoscopy, which is a camera that the ENT uses to look very closely and carefully on the extent of the tumor itself.

Additionally, we generally tend to use imaging as well, in order to stage or determine the extent of where the tumor might have spread to. Oftentimes, that involves imaging of the head and neck, of course, so that’s sometimes a CT scan, or an MRI scan. Oftentimes, it involves imaging of the chest to see if there’s been any spread to the chest or the lungs, that’s oftentimes a CT scan of the chest.

And typically, that also involves, in many cases, a PET CT scan, which is a specialized scan that actually looks at the whole body and identifies where, in as precise a manner as we can determine, where the cancer has spread to.

So, I would say that’s generally the overview. Some of the subtypes may have some other tests that may be specific to your specific scenario, but I think those are some of the more general staging evaluations that we do.

Katherine:

Okay, good. There can be a number of people on a head and neck cancer patient’s care team. Would you give us an overview of who these team members might be, and what their roles are?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, absolutely. And this is one thing, actually, that I enjoy about treating head and neck cancer which is that because of the complexity of the head and neck in general, cancers that arise really do require a multidisciplinary team to figure out what the best treatment approach is.

And not only that, but most of the treatment plans that we incorporate for the treatment of head and neck cancer involve a very large and robust support team that provide different perspectives and help in optimizing outcomes for patients.

So, the three types of oncologists in our program, for example, all new patients that come in meet all three of these types of oncologists. So, one is an ENT, or a head and neck oncologist, or a head and neck surgeon, that’s one important member of the team. The second is a radiation oncologist. So, a radiation oncologist is the team member that uses radiation to treat head and neck cancer. And the third is someone like myself, a medical oncologist. We’re the ones that do the chemotherapy, or other types of systemic therapy, or other types of things like that.

And those are really the three tools, and the three oncologists that use those tools to figure out what the best treatment approach is. However, because many of the treatments that we give, whether it’s surgical treatment, or whether it’s some combination of chemotherapy and radiation, or of chemoradiation, there are many side effects of treatment. And as such, there are many other team members that are involved in supporting patients and optimizing outcomes through any of those treatment modalities.

So, that oftentimes involves specialized nursing, speech and swallow doctors and pathologists, dentistry, and prosthodontics. Sometimes other types of surgeons are involved, like neurosurgeons, or skull-based surgeons, or nasopharynx surgeons as well.

As well as nutrition and dietician, physical therapy, psychosocial supportive services. I’m probably missing many, but on and on, really are all involved in the care of patients during treatment. And not only that, but even in the non-patient facing side, there are other team members also that are very important that a patient may not meet, such as the pathologists that help us determine the subtype of the cancer, whether it’s HPV related or not. Sometimes some of the genomic makers and things like that that can be very important, or immune markers that are very important for treatment decisions.

We have radiologists that have expertise in the head and neck space that help us determine exactly the extent of the disease and look at the imaging in a multidisciplinary fashion. Again, I probably missed some of the team members offhand, but yes, it’s definitely a team sport, which is really, really important.

Katherine:

Yeah, it sounds like there’s a lot of people involved in helping care for patients. I’d like to pivot now to talk about treatment options for head and neck cancer. What types of treatments are currently available?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so it depends on lots of factors, and part of that is the type, and the stage, and the location, and things like that, but I can give some general perspectives. For very early-stage head and neck cancer, oftentimes, the treatment is either surgery or radiation alone, oftentimes some of the treatments. However, a lot of times, head and neck cancer can be local regionally advanced, or having spread to some of the local areas, such as lymph nodes within the head and neck space, and there it’s quite variable.

Sometimes patients will get surgery first, followed by – depending on some of the specific factors – radiation, or radiation and chemotherapy afterwards.

And oftentimes, for local regionally advanced head and neck cancer, treatment can include non-surgical therapy, such as chemoradiation, or chemotherapy and radiation-based approaches. And then, of course, for more advanced cases, either cases of head and neck cancer that either come back after treatment, or in cases that have spread to other parts of the body, we have other therapies, such as immunotherapy therapy, or immunotherapy with chemotherapy, or some of those kinds of treatment. So, generally, those are some of the options. But again, with head and neck cancer, it’s extremely personalized.

The most important thing is that a multidisciplinary team is able to review the case as a group to figure out what type of treatment approach will optimize not only the likelihood of cure and survival, but also long-term function and quality of life. And whatever treatment modality is needed to achieve those goals, that’s what should be recommended with that type of multidisciplinary team.

Katherine:

Yeah. Dr. Rosenberg, you touched upon this just a moment ago, but I would like to ask you to this question. Are the options different in any way for advanced or metastatic disease?

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, the answer is yes, and the short answer is it depends. But I think the longer answer is that we have therapies that have been shown in more advanced disease, and we’re really talking about cases where cancer has come back, or has spread to other parts of the body, where we have new treatments that help patients in that challenging situation live longer. The main one has been the development of immunotherapy as a treatment option, either alone or in combination with chemotherapy, and that has really improved outcomes for patients with very advanced head and neck cancer treatment and cases.

Katherine:

What about palliative care? How can it help people with head and neck cancer?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so, I’ll start by defining palliative care, which I sort of would suggest is either a treatment team, or strategies to help palliate, or relieve, the symptoms associated with cancer, or with cancer-related treatment, which unfortunately for head and neck cancer can be quite substantial. The location of cancers in the head and neck space can have a very large impact on pain, quality of life, speech, swallowing function, and man, many more. And the treatments as well, chemoradiation, surgery, things like that in the head and neck space can also have major impacts on quality of life, and some of those symptoms that patients can experience.

So, oftentimes, management of those treatments – whether with appropriate pain medicines, medicines to help with some of the other side effects of treatment – even support for speech therapies, swallowing therapy, physical therapy, therapy to help with lymphedema, or some of the swelling that can occur with treatment – can all be very, very, very important.

So, when patients come to my clinic, we spend much of the time discussing the treatment, and making sure that the treatment against the cancer is the right thing. But also, quite a bit of time focusing on what other things do we have to do to optimize that patient’s outcome, both in terms of survival, as well as function and quality of life.

Katherine:

Yeah. Well, that leads us to my next question, which is where do clinical trials fit in?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah. So, clinical trials are really important for head and neck cancer because as much as we have tools to treat the disease, the tools that we have are suboptimal.

They’re what we have, they’re what we use, and they can be quite successful in many cases, however, we can do better. We need better treatments for head and neck cancer. So, broadly, the clinical trials can actually be across multiple different treatment settings, whether earlier stage disease, or later stage disease. And the goal of the clinical trials are often to develop better treatments. What can that mean? Treatments that work better against the cancer, so help patients live longer with better quality of life.

Sometimes clinical trials evaluate strategies to reduce the toxicity, or the side effects associated with treatment, so many trials are trying to evaluate strategies to reduce some of those kinds of side effects with the treatment. And then many trials are also trying to use, for example, new biomarkers, or new tests, which can help sometimes predict which is the right treatment for the right patient.

One patient may need a more aggressive treatment, one may need a less intensive treatment. So, at our center, for example, we have clinical trials that, depending on the particular circumstance for those patients, that are trying to take what we have as the current standard, and build on that, to either improve survival and outcomes for patients, or reduce side effects, or both in order to optimize patient outcomes.

Many of our clinical trials incorporate new immune therapies. So, immune therapy treatments are strategies that harness the body’s immune system to attack cancer, and we’re trying to identify new ways to do that. Some of our clinical trials are focused on trying to make the radiation, or the chemotherapy and the radiation, a bit more precise, and focused on the specific tumor. And some are focused on identifying what the best treatment would be for one particular person’s tumor, because we know that actually it’s many different diseases.

And so, we want to really figure out what the optimized treatment is for giving patients that increases survival while reducing treatment-related toxicity. Again, that’s really the overarching goal of what we’re trying to achieve with clinical trials for head and neck cancer.

Katherine:

Yeah. What about emerging approaches for treating head and neck cancer? Is there research going on that patients should know about?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, definitely. So, many new drugs are being developed for head and neck cancer with many different treatment strategies. I would say given the success of immune therapy recently for head and neck cancer, and other cancer types as well, many are trying to build on that, and identify better immune therapies that work better against cancer therapies. Some are targeted therapies, so developing new drugs that maybe target a specific mutation, or a specific change in a particular patient’s tumor that would be appropriate.

And the other thing that is being developed is strategies that incorporate, for example, blood tests that can sometimes measure tumor DNA in blood in a non-invasive fashion that can reveal all sorts of specific information about that particular patient’s tumor, how they’re responding to therapy, and can hopefully help optimize and personalize therapy. So those are some of the more emerging approaches that are being developed in clinical trials for head and neck cancer.

Katherine:

That’s encouraging, thank you. Well, we’ve covered treatment approaches, let’s talk about treatment goals. What are the objectives of treatment?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so really, I would put them in sort of two different categories when you think about the goals of treatment. Number one is survival, or, if possible, achieving a cure, right? Cure meaning a treatment that five, 10, 15, 20 years down the road, we don’t see any evidence of recurrence, and trying to give the best opportunity for that.

And living as long as possible for patients, I think, is the number one goal, and we do that with identifying the most effective treatments and support for a given head and neck cancer in a given situation. However, the other very, very important goal of treatment is to optimize long-term function and quality of life. Because in the setting of a very effective treatment against the cancer, we also want patients to have good function. What does that mean function? Speech, swallowing, ability to eat, taste. Have those things that are very, very important for quality of life, and we want to figure out whatever tools we need to achieve both of those goals, and optimize both of those goals, which can be different from patient to patient.

Katherine:

Yeah. Well, what factors are considered when choosing a treatment?

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, first of all, we think about the diagnosis, right? Is this a squamous cell carcinoma, or is this a different type of cancer, like a salivary gland cancer, or a thyroid cancer, because those are treated very differently. In terms of squamous cell carcinoma, we use the information about whether it’s HPV or non-HPV-related head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, and that has major implications for prognosis, and, therefore, potential treatment or clinical trial options.

We also think about the location of the tumor, and the extent, and the stage. So, is this is a very small tongue cancer, or is this a very large cancer that started in the back of the throat that has already spread to lymph nodes? Both of those, obviously, would be very different treatment options. So, location, and the extent of spread.

Oftentimes, treatment considerations need to take into account – or always, I would say – take into account a patient’s specific factors. How old, other medical problems, other medications, previous treatments that patients have received, are very, very important. And then today, in 2023, we have many targeted molecular characterizations, so we can actually obtain a lot of information from the tumor itself that can also help identify the biological character that can help predict which is the right treatment for a given patient.

So oftentimes, that means looking for genetic mutations, HPV DNA in tumor, or immune markers, such as PDL1, which is an immune marker that we use to predict responsiveness to immunotherapy. These are all datapoints that come into our evaluation to identify what the best, really unique, treatment approach would be for a given patient.

Katherine:

What about symptoms and side effects? What should people be worried about?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah. So, oftentimes when patients come to us with a new diagnosis of head and neck cancer, when looking back, they’ve had, sometimes, symptoms for a while, whether it’s a nagging ulcer on their tongue, or some difficulty with speech, or a new hoarseness, or a lump in the neck that turns out to be a cancerous lymph node.

And so, even before we get into the diagnosis of head and neck cancer, I do think it’s important for people to know that, in particular, if some of these symptoms – particularly if they’re lasting for a while and not going away with more conservative measures like antibiotics – really need to be evaluated by an ENT and a doctor team to make the diagnosis of head and neck cancer, so it can be treated.

The side effects of treatment very much depend on the treatment modality that’s used. So, for example, when chemotherapy and radiation, and chemoradiation is utilized, oftentimes, the treatment itself could be associated with a lot of side effects from treatment. Things like a sore throat, things like skin changes, things like fatigue, challenges with nutrition, and a plethora of other things that, depending on some of the specifics, can be associated. Which is one of the reasons why we’re trying to figure out if there are some patients that we can deintensify the radiation, or do more precise radiation, rather than standard, regular dose radiation for everyone. But that’s of course in the context of some of the clinical trials that are being evaluated for improving outcomes for head and neck cancer patients.

Katherine:

Yeah. What do you feel is the patient’s role in making treatment decisions?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Very important. You always discuss the situation of the patient, in terms of their cancer. What their diagnosis is, what some of these characteristics are, what the staging is, what the extent of disease is. And then we talk to the patients about what their goals are, what’s most important to them, and figuring out what the treatment paradigms are that help to meet those goals.

And so, it’s very, very important, and it’s very important that patients have a conversation with their oncology treatment team for head and neck cancer about what their goals, what’s most important to them, and how they can best achieve those goals in the context of head and neck cancer treatment planning.

Katherine:

Yeah. So, it sounds like there’s a lot of factors taken into consideration then.

Dr. Rosenberg:

Definitely.

Katherine:

I’d like to turn to self-advocacy now. If a patient is feeling uncomfortable with the direction of their treatment plan or their care, do you think they should consider a second opinion, or even consult a specialist?

Dr. Rosenberg:

So, yes. I think, especially if a patient is feeling uncomfortable, it is always a good idea to get a second opinion, and to have another fresh set of eyes evaluate the case. Whether it means that that second opinion will reinforce the plan and give the patient more confidence in the plan that was proposed, or whether it means a potentially alternative plan that may be suggested for different reasons. And that allows the patient to have the autonomy and the facility to be able to help figure out which of the treatment team that is most appropriate for them.

At the end of the day, head and neck cancer doctors want what’s best for patients. They want patients to do well, and that means that supporting patients in whatever – they want to do what will be best for them. I think all of us want that for patients. I think that’s definitely the case.

Katherine:

Yeah. What would you say to patients who may be nervous about maybe hurting their doctor’s feelings by getting a second opinion? Can you reassure them in some way?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah. I mean, I would say that you shouldn’t worry about that, because doctors really do truly want their patients to do well. We go to this field because we want to help people, we want to help patients do better. And oftentimes, that means second opinion. So, I could tell you that I’m highly supportive of that.

And the other thing I’ll just say is that head and neck cancer is a really specialized type of cancer, in terms of cancer treatment. And so, it is a good idea, in my view, and in my opinion, to be evaluated by an experienced head and neck cancer treatment team. One of the treatment teams that tends to see a very large volume, has a lot of experience treating head and neck cancer because that experience, I do think, is important for optimizing treatment outcomes.

Katherine:

If a patient is having a difficult time voicing their questions or their concerns, are there members of the support team who might be able to help?

Dr. Rosenberg:

Yeah, so there’s lots of phenomenal organizations that can help direct, because it’s a complex navigation that’s difficult for anyone, particularly in a patient with a new head and neck cancer diagnosis. The Head and Neck Cancer Alliance is one that comes to mind, but there’s many support groups for patients.

And so, I would suggest if there’s uncertainty, those groups are available to help patients help to navigate the system. And so, I think that would be one area where patients could reach out to, which is patient advocacy organizations, patient advocates, in order to help to navigate whatever the patient wants, whether it’s a second opinion, whether it’s support, whatever’s needed to see what’s out there. Because again, we all want patients to do well and want to support patients however we need to in order to optimize some of those outcomes that I talked about earlier.

Yeah. So, in our program, for example, we have experienced nurse navigators that help coordinate all the care at our center, but also help direct.

Because the best person to talk to may be the speech pathologist, depending on the question, or it may be the psychosocial team, or it may be the surgical team or the radiation oncology team. A lot of times, a nurse navigator or a point person for questions can help direct who’s the best person to address that particular question. Sometimes those questions are best addressed by social work and supporting patients through that.

So, I would suggest asking when you get your consultation, “Who’s my point person for questions? If I have a question, and I don’t know who the right person is to ask, who do I pose that to, to make sure that it gets pointed to the right person?”

Katherine:

Right. To close, what would you like to leave the audience with? Are you hopeful about the future of head and neck cancer?

Dr. Rosenberg:

I am. I think that there’s lots of exciting things in the pipeline that are leading to what I hope will be improved treatments for head and neck cancer that optimizes survival, but also optimizes long-term function and quality of life. And so, I hope that, Katherine, when you and I speak in 10 or 20 years, we’ll be in a totally different place, a totally different landscape, thinking about totally different things than we are today, to really optimize outcomes for patients. So, we’ll talk within in 20 years, or maybe sooner, whatever works for you.

Katherine:

Yeah, things are changing so rapidly, aren’t they? Yeah. Well, Dr. Rosenberg, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today.

Dr. Rosenberg:

Absolutely, thanks so much.

Katherine:

And thank you to all of our partners.

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Katherine Banwell:

Cancer research is developing rapidly. What are you excited about when it comes to head and neck cancer research? 

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

Well, I think there’s a lot of different clinical trials that are coming out in what we call the neo-adjuvant space so before you go for a surgery. Again, head and neck cancer is a little bit different when we think of other more common cancers. 

And what I mean by that is it’s one thing to be able to surgically remove cancer or to ablate it completely with radiation. The problem with the head and neck area as you can imagine, it’s such a small area. There’s a lot of precious real estate there, as I always describe to patients. And so, it’s one thing to cure the cancer, to cut it out completely. But then we have functional and sometimes cosmetic concerns after that, too. So, I think one of the biggest things that we are always trying to look to be successful in is are there therapies, are there treatments where we can shrink down the initial cancer so that the resulting surgery or the fields of radiation are not so severe? So, we’re maintaining the cure rates that we have. We’re improving on the cure rates that we have. But also thinking about how can we improve the quality of life and the function and the cosmetic outcome after their cancer treatment? And I think that’s really exciting. 

Katherine Banwell:

It is. It’s great.  And I’m sure there’s been so much development in the field, even in the last 10 years. 

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

There has. And another comment to make on that point, too, when we’re thinking about clinical trials especially. There’s really two big subsets of squamous cell cancer, head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, and that’s HPV-positive that’s related to the HPV, the human papilloma virus and HPV-negative. HPV-negative is what we think of historically as being caused by years of smoking often with heavy drinking. That’s kind of the traditional head and neck cancer patient. But over the last couple of decades now, there’s a completely different disease that we have recognized. And that’s related to HPV. And these patients tend to be light or never smokers at all. They tend to be younger, different demographic of patients. The good news is those cancers seem to respond better to cancer treatment, particularly radiation- and chemotherapy-based. 

So, as I mentioned before, trying a neo-adjuvant approach to kind of reduce the impact of surgery or the impact of radiation, particularly with HPV-related disease. We know that it’s a different disease that behaves much better than HPV-negative. So, trying clinical trials to what we call de-intensify therapy. So, maintaining the high cure rate. But reducing the toxicities related to treatment so that – you know, these are younger patients. They’re cured of their cancer. But they still require a feeding tube. Or they have a lot of chronic pain in the neck. They have a lot of morbidity with the treatment. And so, trying to reduce that down to again, maintain high cure rates, but help with quality of life in the years to come. 

Katherine Banwell:

How can patients stay up-to-date on developing research? 

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

That’s a really good question. 

Every once in a while, there are sound bites or news articles that are kind of in the mainstream press and in the mainstream news. I would just encourage patients to – if they read something or see a headline to reach out to their oncology team and have a discussion. What is this research? What does it mean for me? Does it apply to me? How is this information being used for cancer treatment? How would this impact my treatment or my follow up? It’s really hard to kind of navigate through what is, in terms of research, what is immediately clinically impactful or clinically meaningful at that time. 

Katherine Banwell:

Are there any websites that you recommend to patients? 

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

The American Head and Neck Society has a good website. And there’s a couple of other, depending on what state you live in or regions of certain states.  

There’s a lot of different support groups for head and neck cancer patients that I would encourage patients to reach out. Because especially in the regional, geographic location where you are, it may be worthwhile to be able to have those conversations. Because you can walk down the street and not know if somebody’s had it. But I’ve had more patients over the last several months, especially HPV-related disease patients who have mentioned something to me along the lines of, “I had mentioned to an acquaintance or a friend of a friend. And suddenly, I know three or four other people who have had this cancer. And I had no idea. And now we’re talking about how we have to carry a water bottle with us all the time because we can’t swallow dry foods. And how we have to be very mindful of what we’re eating when we order at a restaurant.” And so, just trying to navigate a bigger world, narrowing it down to where you live to have those meaningful contacts of other patients who have gone through what you have gone through. 

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Katherine Banwell:

How is head and neck cancer treated? 

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

The thing about head and neck cancer is even if it’s a very early-stage cancer, certainly if it’s a later stage with very big tumors that have spread, even the small cancers are often treated with many different modalities, many different medical specialties and surgical specialties. So, primarily, it’s going to be treated with head and neck surgery, sometimes with radiation, and then of course, you can require some systemic therapy which is what I do. And systemic therapy could be standard chemotherapy as you think about it. It could be targeted therapy. It could even be immunotherapy.  

Katherine Banwell:

Okay.  

Dr. Jessica Geiger:

And sometimes we have to use two or three of those different tools to get the job done. 

A Patient’s Perspective | Participating in a Clinical Trial

A Patient’s Perspective | Participating in a Clinical Trial from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Colorectal cancer survivor Cindi Terwoord recounts her clinical trial experience and explains why she believes patients should consider trial participation.

Dr. Pauline Funchain is a medical oncologist at the Cleveland Clinic. Dr. Funchain serves as Director of the Melanoma Oncology Program, co-Director of the Comprehensive Melanoma Program, and is also Director of the Genomics Program at the Taussig Cancer Institute of the Cleveland Clinic. Learn more about Dr. Funchain, here.

Cindi Terwoord is a colorectal cancer survivor and patient advocate. Learn more about Cindi, here.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:    

Cindi, you were diagnosed with stage IV colorectal cancer, and decided to participate in a clinic trial. Can you tell us about what it was like when you were diagnosed?

Cindi Terwoord:        

Yeah. That was in September of 2019, and I had had some problems; bloody diarrhea one evening, and then the next morning the same thing. So, I called my husband at work, I said, “Things aren’t looking right. I think I’d better go to the emergency room.”

And so, we went there, they took blood work – so I think they knew something was going on – and said, “We’re going to keep you for observation.” So, then I knew it must’ve been something bad. And so, two days later, then I had a colonoscopy, and that’s when they found the tumor, and so that was the beginning of my journey.

Katherine Banwell:    

Mm-hmm. Had you had a colonoscopy before, or was that your first one?

Cindi Terwoord:        

No, I had screenings, I would get screenings. I had heard a lot of bad things about colonoscopies, and complications and that, so I was always very leery of doing that. Shame on me. I go for my other screenings, but I didn’t like to do that one. I have those down pat now, I’m very good at those.

Katherine Banwell:    

Yeah, I’m sure you do. So, Cindi, what helped guide your decision to join a clinical trial?

Cindi Terwoord:        

Well, I have a friend – it was very interesting.

He was probably one of the first people we told, because he had all sorts of cancer, and he was, I believe, one of the first patients in the nation to take part in this trial. It’s nivolumab (Opdivo), and he’s been on it for about seven years. And he had had various cancers would crop up, but it was keeping him alive.

And so, frankly, I didn’t know I was going to have the option of a trial, but he told me run straight to Cleveland Clinic, it’s one of the best hospitals. So, I took his advice. And the first day the doctor walked in, and then all these people walked in, and I’m like, “Why do I have so many people in here?” Not just a doctor and a nurse. There was like a whole – this is interesting.

And so, then they said, “Well, we have something to offer you. And we have this immunotherapy trial, and you would be one of the first patients to try this.”

Now, when they said first patient, I’m not quite sure if they meant the first colon cancer patient, I’m not sure. But they told me the name of it, and I said, “I’m in. I’m in.” Because I knew my friend had survived all these years, and I thought, “Well, I’ve gotten the worst diagnosis I can have, what do I have to lose?” So, I said, “I’m on board, I’m on board.”

Katherine Banwell:    

Mm-hmm. Did you have any hesitations?

Cindi Terwoord:        

Nope. No, I’m an optimistic person, and what they assured me was that I could drop out at any time, which I liked that option.

Because I go, “Well, if I’m not feeling well, and it’s not working, I’ll get out.” So, I liked that part of it. I also liked, as Dr. Funchain had said, you go in for more visits. And I like being closely monitored, I felt that was very good.

I’ve always kept very good track of my health. I get my records, I get my office notes from my doctor. I’m one of those people. I probably know the results of blood tests before the doctor does because I’m looking them up. So, I felt very confident in their care. They watched me like a hawk. I kept a diary because they were asking me so many questions.

Katherine Banwell:    

Oh, good for you.

Cindi Terwoord:        

I’m a transcriptionist, so I just typed out all my notes, and I’d hand it to them.

Katherine Banwell:    

That’s a great idea.

Cindi Terwoord:        

Here’s how I’m feeling, here’s…And I was very lucky I didn’t have many side effects.

Katherine Banwell:    

In your conversations with your doctor, did you weigh the pros and cons about joining a trial? Or had you already made up your mind that yes, indeed, you were going for it?

Cindi Terwoord:        

Yeah, I already said, “I’m in, I’m in.” Like I said, it had kept my friend alive for these many years, he’s still on it, and I had no hesitation whatsoever.

I wish more people – I wanted to get out there and talk to every patient in the waiting room and say, “Do it, do it.”

I mean, you can’t start chemotherapy then get in the trial. And if I ever hear of someone that has cancer, I ask them, “Well, were you given the option to get into a trial?” Well, and then some of them had started the chemo before they even thought of that.

Katherine Banwell:    

Mm-hmm. So, how are you doing now, Cindi? How are you feeling?

Cindi Terwoord:        

Good, good, I’m doing fantastic, thank goodness, and staying healthy. I’m big into herbal supplements, always was, so I keep those up, and I’m exercising. I’m pretty much back to normal –

Katherine Banwell:

Cindi, what advice do you have for patients who may be considering participating in a trial? 

Cindi Terwoord:

Do it. Like I said, I don’t see any downside to it. You want to get better as quickly as possible, and this could help accelerate your recovery. And everything Dr. Funchain mentioned, as far as – I really never brought up any questions about whether it would be covered. 

And then somewhere along the line, one of the research people said, “Well, anything the trial research group needs done – like the blood draws – that’s not charged to your insurance.” So, that was nice, that was very encouraging, because I think everybody’s afraid your insurance is going to drop you or something.  

And then the first day I was in there for treatment, a social worker came in, and they talked to you. “Do you need financial help? We also have art therapy, music therapy,” so that was very helpful. I mean, she came in and said, “I’m a social worker,” and I’m like, “Oh, okay. I didn’t know somebody was coming in here to talk to me.” 

But that was all very helpful, and I did get free parking for a few weeks. I mean, sometimes I’d have to remind them. I’d say, “It’s costing me more to park than to get treated.” But, yeah, like I said, I’m a big advocate for it, because you hear so many positive outcomes from immunotherapy trials, and boy, I’d say if you’re a candidate, do it. 

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Funchain, do you have any final thoughts that you’d like to leave the audience with? 

Dr. Pauline Funchain:

First, Cindi, I have to say thank you. I say thank you to every clinical trial participant, everybody who participates in the science. Because honestly, whether you give blood, or you try a new drug, I think people don’t understand how many other lives they touch when they do that.  

It’s really incredible. Coming into clinic day in and day out, we get to see – I mean, really, even within a year or two years, there are people that we’ve seen on clinical trial that we’re now treating normally, standardly, insurance is paying for it, it’s all standard of care. And those are even the people we can see, and there are so many people we can’t see in other centers all over the world, and people who will go on after us, right?  

 So, it’s an amazing – I wouldn’t even consider most of the time that it’s a personal sacrifice. There are a couple more visits and things like that, but it is an incredible gift that people do, in terms of getting trials. And then for some of those trials, people have some amazing results. 

And so, just the opportunity to have patients get an outcome that wouldn’t have existed without that trial, like Cindi, is incredible, incredible. 

What Are the Risks and Benefits of Joining a Clinical Trial?

What Are the Risks and Benefits of Joining a Clinical Trial? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Why should a cancer patient consider a clinical trial? Dr. Pauline Funchain of the Cleveland Clinic explains the advantages of clinical trial participation.

Dr. Pauline Funchain is a medical oncologist at the Cleveland Clinic. Dr. Funchain serves as Director of the Melanoma Oncology Program, co-Director of the Comprehensive Melanoma Program, and is also Director of the Genomics Program at the Taussig Cancer Institute of the Cleveland Clinic. Learn more about Dr. Funchain, here.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Why would a cancer patient consider participating in a clinical trial? What are the benefits? 

Dr. Pauline Funchain:

So, I mean, the number one benefit, I think, for everyone, including the cancer patient, is really clinical trials help us help the patient, and help us help future patients, really.  

We learn more about what good practices are in the future, what better drugs there are for us, what better regimens there are for us, by doing these trials. And ideally, everyone would participate in a trial, but it’s a very personal decision, so we weigh all the risks and benefits. I think that is the main reason.  

I think a couple of other good reasons to consider a trial would be the chance to see a drug that a person might not otherwise have access to. So, a lot of the drugs in clinical trials are brand new, or the way they’re sequenced are brand new. And so, this is a chance to be able to have a body, or a cancer, see something else that wouldn’t otherwise be available.  

And I think the last thing – and this is sort of the thing we don’t talk about as much – but really, because clinical trials are designed to be as safe as possible, and because they are new procedures, there’s a lot of safety protocols that are involved with them, which means a lot of eyes are on somebody going through a clinical trial.  

Which actually to me means a little bit sort of more love and care from a lot more people. It’s not that the standard of care – there’s plenty of love and care and plenty of people, but this doubles or triples the amount of eyes on a person going through a trial. 

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. When it comes to having a conversation with their doctor, how can a patient best weigh the risks and benefits to determine whether a trial is right for them? 

Dr. Pauline Funchain:

Right. So, I think that’s a very personal decision, and that’s something that a person with cancer would be talking to their physician about very carefully to really understand what the risks are for them, what the benefits are for them. Because for everybody, risks and benefits are totally different. So, I think it’s really important to sort of understand the general concept. It’s a new drug, we don’t always know whether it will or will not work. And there tend to be more visits, just because people are under more surveillance in a trial.  

So, sort of getting all the subtleties of what those risks and benefits are, I think, are really important. 

Katherine Banwell:

Mm-hmm. What are some key questions that patients should ask? 

Dr. Pauline Funchain:

Well, I think the first question that any patient should ask is, “Is there a trial for me?” I think that every patient needs to know is that an option. It isn’t an option for everyone. And if it is, I think it’s – everybody wants that Plan A, B, and C, right? You want to know what your Plan A, B, and C are. If one of them includes a trial, and what the order might be for the particular person, in terms of whether a trial is Plan A, B, or C.