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How are CAR T therapy barriers of cultural and language nature being addressed? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses research study results on access barriers and ways to create solutions that address language and cultural issues.

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“…having a culturally sensitive discussion and a system that approaches the patients for complex treatments like CAR T or clinical trials. And personally, I’ve seen that it makes a big difference to the patient’s consideration of those treatment options.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, we know cultural or language barriers may hinder access to information about CAR T-cell therapy. How are you and your colleagues addressing this barrier?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

It’s very important to think about cultural or language barriers and how they may affect our way we deliver the care and the way the patients consume that healthcare. A few years ago we had done a study looking at just electronic medical record usage and how patients participate in their EMRs, for example. And we realized that for patients who are non-white, language barrier was a big issue because frankly, majority of our EMRs are English. They don’t provide a lot of Spanish or other language support.

Similarly, clinical trials and education material for CAR T, et cetera, they are very frequently in English. There is an increasing number of Spanish documents that are becoming available. So how we try to overcome these barriers, I think we have started, utilizing an approach in our institution where our research staff, we are trying to hire a diverse population.

There is data that based on studies, it has been very clearly shown before that, a patient is more likely to consider favorably a clinical trial or a treatment if it is being offered by someone who look and speak like them. So an African American patient is more likely to accept or consider a treatment, I would say, not even accept, but consider a treatment if it is being offered by an African American physician, an African American clinical research coordinator, et cetera.

While I’m not African American, I can’t change that, but we have African American, Hispanic, Asian clinical research coordinators in our teams, and we have noticed a clear difference in the patient’s understanding their ability to ask questions, their willingness to ask questions and clear out their barriers if it is given to them in a culturally sensitive, culturally appropriate manner.  So my activation tip for this question would be, having a culturally sensitive discussion and a system that approaches the patients for complex treatments like CAR T or clinical trials. And personally, I’ve seen that it makes a big difference to the patient’s consideration of those treatment options.

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What are CAR T-cell therapy roadblocks for Black and Latinx trial access? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses barriers that have been documented in clinical research and solutions and patient advice for overcoming barriers.

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“…please seek out a specialist center that specializes not only in myeloma, but also in CAR T and in clinical trials, and even at that center, seek out the physician who has part an experience of participating in clinical trials.”

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, there is so much promise around CAR T-cell therapy, but barriers exist. Can you speak to the roadblocks that prevent Black and Latinx patients from participating in CAR T-cell therapy trials that you have witnessed?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, this question about healthcare disparities and access to care, especially based on patient race ethnicity, it’s very near and dear to my heart. I do a lot of work around this and also a lot of research. Not just for CAR T, data has been very clear over years and decades that in multiple myeloma and frankly, in all cancers also. Clinical trial access is dismal when it comes to African Americans and Hispanic patients. Unfortunately, a lot of that data does not even exist about Hispanic patients.

But the publications are very clear with, so we’ve had one publication of ours, and then there has been one other from national data where FDA-approved drugs clinical trials were evaluated. And it was noted that while African American patients make up about 20 percent of the U.S. myeloma population, less than 5 percent of them participated in clinical trials that led to FDA approval of myeloma drugs.

I’m not saying that is specific for CAR T. In recent years when the CAR T trials were happening, the numbers have improved a little bit. They’re still not the same numbers representing myeloma population in the US, but some improvements happened, for sure. The barriers to getting onto CAR T and clinical trials related to such resource and time intensive treatments are multifactorial.

A lot of times they are sociodemographic, patients need to take time away from work. They have to have a caregiver, they have to have appropriate insurance approvals for certain things. They have to be able to go to a center that may be close to them. These centers are hopefully going to be able to bring some other resources like social workers, navigators, et cetera, to help that patient get onto the trial. And then there is sometimes lack of awareness of CAR T, lack of awareness of clinical trials per se, clinical, and there are fears, anxiety, scares around getting on clinical research.

Lots of barriers, I think we can systematically take care of mitigating them. I would again say, just as I mentioned previously in a different context, one simple way of trying to overcome barriers or at least making attempts to overcome barriers, is to get to a center that specializes in CAR T, that specializes in clinical trials and speak with an expert, a physician who has a clinical trial track record.

Patients can research all of this, and if that falls in place, I’m sure some of these access barriers and some of these disparities can be overcome. My activation tip for this question is, please seek out a specialist center that specializes not only in myeloma, but also in CAR T and in clinical trials, and even at that center, seek out the physician who has part an experience of participating in clinical trials.

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How can CAR T-cell therapy barriers for relapsed/refractory myeloma be reduced? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic shares his perspective about barriers to CAR T and advice for patients to reduce access issues.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, what are the most significant challenges or barriers that patients with relapsed/refractory myeloma face when considering CAR T-cell therapy as a treatment option? And how can these challenges be addressed to improve patient outcomes and access to care?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, it’s very important for us to remember that while we talk about CAR T or advancements in myeloma, your question of what are the most significant challenges and barriers for patients with relapsed/refractory myeloma, and especially when they’re considering CAR T, and how do we try to overcome these challenges? This is a very important question. CAR T-cell therapy is very resource and a time-intensive treatment. Patients may not have a CAR T center close to them. They may have to go closer to a center, live there for about a month or so, or sometimes even more.

During this time, the treatment has to be controlled. There are approvals from insurance, there are tests required, in between treatment to control the disease, and then sometimes staying in the hospital, sometimes…and, of course, need for a caregiver, that is such an important requirement. Of course, the promise of treatment is that at the end of it, the patients may come out and maybe, with significant disease control.

But to get to that promised land, we have to walk through this…as I said, a time intensive and a resource intensive situation. Now, all of this is very daunting, is very anxiety provoking, is very scary, in fact. To me, the biggest way of overcoming these challenges, improving access to care, et cetera, is, let that patient see a qualified CAR T-cell center.

And importantly, a physician who gives CAR T-cell therapy, that one consult or one visit can take care of so many fears, anxiety, scares, et cetera, because frankly, all of our centers, all of us who focus on CAR T-cell therapy, we have a whole slew of resources at our disposal which we can bring together for the patients and their caregivers, whether it’s navigators, revenue or finance analysts, social workers, clinical psychologists, these are all a part and parcel of our CAR T-cell journey for a patient.

But frankly, I cannot bring those resources to a patient when they’re not even established with us, or they don’t even set foot through our doors. My activation tip for this question is the number one way of mitigating any healthcare access issues or the fears and scares about CAR T is, speak with a CAR T designated expert at a center that gives CAR T-cell therapy, and then only make a decision whether you want CAR T therapy for yourself or your care, your loved one or not.

Lisa Hatfield:

One quick question. Are you still seeing the bottlenecks for CAR-T therapy since it’s been FDA-approved? You have patients who want it but cannot access it because there’s a bottleneck with a process. Is that a barrier?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

It’s a good question. So in recent months, we have noticed that the initial bottleneck with availability of slots and numbers for CAR T, those bottlenecks are easing up quite a bit. With both the CAR T manufacturers in the U,S., there is hardly any wait list issue. And if patients are going to centers that are saying that, there’s too long of a wait list, we can’t get you to it, they should go to another center.

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How can patients and families be educated about CAR T-cell therapy? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic discusses the approach he takes to explaining the treatment to those new to learning about CAR T.

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Transcript:

Lisa Hatfield:

Dr. Ailawadhi, how do you explain CAR T therapy to your patients and families hearing about it for the first time?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Lisa, that’s a very important question of how we explain CAR T to a patient, or their family members, of course, their caregivers. If we just take a step back and think about it, this is the most closed way are to science fiction in treating multiple myeloma. And so obviously, explaining that in terms that makes sense to them, gets them excited, but also gives them, one, the promise of the treatment and two, the appropriate details of potential side effects, et cetera, so that the patient can take an informed decision.

That boils down to the principle of shared decision making that all of us keep vying for. So the way I explain is that CAR T-cell therapy is based on the fact of taking a patient’s immune system, training it to go against that particular cancer and giving that hyper-activated or that activated trained immune system back to the patient.

And what we typically…the way I would explain that is that, some of these patients have had stem cell transplants before. It’s also important for me to keep comparing and contrasting with that. We explain to the patients that they typically undergo some testing to identify whether they’re candidates for CAR T or not, based on organ function, et cetera. Then we collect the T cells from their bloodstream. But as against stem cell transplant where the collection could have taken three to five days, T-cell collection is done only in one day in one sitting, outpatient.

And then those T cells are sent for manufacturing. During that time, the patient, we work on controlling their disease, and then those T cells are genetically modified. Some DNA for a target that is present on the myeloma cells, that is inserted into the T cells’ DNA.

The genetic material of a seeker is put into the T cells. Then those T cells are multiplied in the lab, and are sent back to us a few weeks later from the collection as a bag as the drug. And this has given back to the patients. Now, those trained activated T cells, have that seeker that they can specifically go and target a particular marker on the myeloma cells. In the case of both the CAR T cells that are currently FDA-approved, that, target on the myeloma cells is called BCMA. B-cell maturation antigen. So while the myeloma had that BCMA, the myeloma was growing because our immune system was not able to control it.

Now, the new…these activated T cells that came back or trained T cells, they have a seeker that can specifically go seek out the BCMA attached to it and kill those myeloma cells. And by the way, this BCMA is almost universally present on the myeloma cells. If I have to keep in mind an activation tip for this question of how do I explain CAR T-cell therapy is we take your immune system, as in the patient’s immune system, that immune system is trained to specifically go against the myeloma and is given back to the patients so that now those T cells are able to go and kill the myeloma, which was growing uncontrolled previously.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

What kind of monitoring takes places in the months following CAR T-cell therapy, and what kinds of medicines are required afterward?   

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Oh, excellent. So, the monitoring is usually on the short-term, within the first 30 to 60 days afterwards, oftentimes depending on what your blood counts are showing. You might have to get blood counts tested more frequently. So, that complete blood count shows you the white cells, the red cells. The white cells fight infection. Red cells carry oxygen. Platelets clot the blood. That’s a marker of how well your bone marrow is functioning. It also can be – those innocent bystanders can go low temporarily after this procedure.   

So, definitely those CBCs need to be tested, for some people weekly and for some people every other week. And your healthcare team will tell you how often. After that first two to three months and your blood counts are all in good shape, then we can just go oftentimes to a monthly monitoring of the myeloma labs. So, that’s the CBC and the chemistry panel but also the paraproteins in the blood and the urine get monitored.  

There’s also another test called a CD4 count that’s something that you wouldn’t have had beforehand. The CD4 count is an immune count that we want to be over 200. Oftentimes, you’ll be on an antibiotic called Bactrim or an inhaled called pentamidine to lessen the chance of a certain kind of infection called PJP, or pneumocystis. So, those are those atypical infections that we’re now seeing with CAR-T cell and other therapies.  

And as I mentioned, acyclovir (Zovirax) to protect against shingles is a medication but you’re not going to be on any anti-myeloma medications other than maybe a bone strengthener if you get that intermittently. Fortunately, after CAR-T cell, you don’t have any anti-myeloma therapy as long as you’re in remission. 

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Faiman, from what you’ve described, undergoing CAR T-cell therapy can be a very intense process. Why would someone consider this option over another myeloma treatment option?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Yeah. So, the CAR T-cell therapies have really transformed myeloma, in my opinion.  

When we first started using CAR T-cell therapies, there was a long wait list because people who had had three, five, seven, 10, 12 prior therapies, they had very few other options.  

So, we had ethically assigned scores to people as to who – we’d get one or two slots a month and then we’d have 80-some people on this list. And we’re thinking, “How do we allocate who’s going to get this therapy?” And it’s because you can have a nice, long remission off of all therapy.  

It’s a great, great option for most people. Again, I would hope that we can get this moved further into the disease trajectory. There are actually two studies. One was a KarMMa study. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2023, early part of 2023.  

And it showed that when people get this therapy earlier, the Ide-cel first, you can have a longer remission. So, we’re talking about three, four, five or more prior lines of therapy you can get about 11 months with the Ide-cel.  

You could even get a longer remission off of all therapy if you move it earlier. Same with Cilta-cel. We had studies and different cohorts and you can be in a long remission. So, think of somebody who’s – myeloma’s incurable. It’s very treatable but it’s incurable for most. And so, you go from the expectation of staying on treatment until disease progression, much like other chronic conditions like diabetes. We don’t stop medicine for diabetes or high blood pressure.  

And it’s the same with myeloma and many of the cancers that we treat these days. And so, a CAR T-cell therapy will give patients the option of having that disease free interval where you can go and travel the world. I have patients that have bought RVs after their CAR T-cell therapy and now they’re going around the world – well, not the world. But around the United States.  

Katherine Banwell:

The country. 

Dr. Beth Faiman:

The country. And just really enjoying life and taking that time off and being realistic, knowing that we have to do bloodwork every month to make sure the myeloma’s still in remission because it can come back. But at least it’s sleeping for right now. So, you can go out and enjoy your life and take those trips and enjoy the little things and the big things.   

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Beyond monitoring of any issues, what can someone expect related to returning to life as they knew it before the diagnosis? Is there a timeline for resuming lifestyle and activity?   

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Yeah. So, I should say I because it’s from my perspective. I am a real strong advocate. I tell people to do what you feel like you can physically do. We know that myeloma can affect the bones and put your bones at risk for breaking and so we give you medicines to protect it. So, I do put some restrictions however on physical activity in terms of, “I don’t want you to bench press 40 pounds or 20 pounds,” in most cases. And depending on what the bones look like on x-ray, I’ll even restrict it to about five to 10 pounds.  

If you think about it, that’s a bag of potatoes. So, you don’t want to put too many restrictions on for everybody. But talk to your healthcare provider about what your specific restrictions are with physical activity. Because I don’t really put any restrictions on but I encourage things like riding a bike, especially a stationary bike in your own home, so that if you fall off – hopefully, you won’t fall off a stationary bike. But if you injure yourself, then you’re able to be in a place that somebody can help you.   

But riding a bike. Also, exercising in water. Water therapy is a great weight bearing exercise and there are times of day where you can go when the YMCAs or YWCAs aren’t as busy – or community centers. So, you’re less at risk for bacterial or other illnesses. But during that first month, I try to limit their exposure to people because you’re at risk for the different viruses that are all over the place, the bacterial infections.  

So, that first month is the critical period where I try to say, “Okay, try to lay low. Let’s get you through this period. Your immune system will start getting stronger on its own after this period.” And then, that month two you start feeling like doing more. You go to the grocery store. You maybe go to eat out at a restaurant but pick a time of day that’s less busy. So, go for an early dinner. There’s no shame in eating at 5:00 p.m. if you want to go out. And then, get a table in the corner with your own wipes. And so, that’s where your immune system is getting stronger. 

And then, by month three, I think most people will feel much, much better and much, much stronger. And if you can keep moving throughout this whole time, then you’ll be stronger on the way out.  

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Myeloma expert and researcher Dr. Beth Faiman shares key considerations when planning for CAR T-cell therapy. Dr. Faiman reviews which patients qualify for CAR T-cell therapy, key aspects for patients to consider, and resources for clinical trials and CAR T-cell therapy information.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

I’m sure many of our viewers today are wondering who the therapy is right for, and when is it most appropriate in the course of myeloma? Could you address that?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Yeah, absolutely. So, currently, you have to have had three prior lines of therapy with drugs such as a CD38, which is – daratumumab (Darzalex) is a name of a medication.   

You have to have a drug such as lenalidomide (Revlimid) as well as a drug like bortezomib (Velcade). And you have to have had three lines of therapy. So, that’s how you can access the therapy. But if you’re willing to participate in a well-designed clinical trial there are studies with CAR T-cell therapy earlier on.  

So, one of the things that we’re advocating in the myeloma world is clinical trials. We haven’t gotten to where we are in 2024 with the advances in sciences, the advances in living longer and living well with myeloma, without the brave people before us that have participated in clinical trials.   

So, people who it’s right for would be if they qualify for a clinical trial before their third or fourth line of therapy or if they’ve had three or four prior lines of therapy.   

And there are other points to that which I’m sure we’ll talk about later on.  

Katherine Banwell:

In your opinion, what are three key considerations that myeloma patients and care partners should think about related to the CAR T-cell therapy approach?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Well, I would like to say that always when you’re selecting a therapy, think of the physical, the financial, and the social implications of that therapy. So, physically is the medication too strong for you? Are you too weak to take it? Or is it just right for you? So, finding the right medication for the right patient at the right dose at the right time. So, the physical component.

The financial component is also very important. So, maybe your insurance now won’t cover it but then there’s open enrollment in Medicare towards the end of the year or you can find financial support reimbursement through many of our generous organizations that will provide grants for certain medications.  

And then, the social. Do you have a care partner, as we discussed? The importance of being monitored for 30 days. If you don’t have a formal care partner, is there some system that we can help support you through so that you can have the different supports throughout. It’s not only that beginning part where you’re gaining the information – and I think of it like a timeline. The beginning part, you’re thinking about gathering information to the – in that process of getting yourselves back because of the side effects, which I think have been talked about in a prior webinar.  

And then, the post-monitoring where you go back to your community, taking antibiotics, antiviral medications, etc., to keep you living well longer. So, it’s a process.   

Katherine Banwell:

Well, it’s great advice, Dr. Faiman, thank you. I’d also like to add that if you’re considering CAR T-cell therapy, the Patient Empowerment Network has a wealth of information on this topic, including resource guides and interviews with experts like Dr. Faiman. And you can find those at powerfulpatients.org/myeloma.  

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Katherine Banwell:

So, after CAR T-cell therapy is completed, what potential side effects might people experience, and what should they look for?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Absolutely. I think of things in short-term and long-term side effects. So, the short term, you’re going to be admitted to the hospital and you have a risk for – when we get those T cells back – that cytokine release syndrome, or it’s abbreviated CRS – where you’re body’s immune system’s fighting.  

I tell folks it’s kind of like if you got a vaccine for a flu vaccine or pneumonia and you had a reaction it’s just way worse. So, you can get a high fever – the big first sign of this CRS. Usually, the providers will jump in with giving you a medication called tocilizumab (Actemra) or a similar drug that blocks IL-6, which is a chemical that is triggered when we get the CRS. And then, it stops those symptoms. And so, most of us know how to do that and will approve your insurance to get access to that tocilizumab or similar drug when we approve your CAR T-cell therapy.  

So, that CRS can get you really, really sick. You can get low oxygen levels in your blood. You can get a high fever and you can drop your blood pressure. But most CAR T-cells centers, the nurses and the staff are very well-trained to monitor this every eight hours, in most cases.  

Another rare side effect we worry about is ICANS, and it’s a neurotoxicity kind of thing.   

It can be with CRS or without CRS. But they’ll ask you to do things like write your name on a piece of paper every eight hours or tell me – draw a clock or count backwards from 100. And so, if you have any deviation, even minor, from what you reported back beforehand then we worry about neurotoxicity. Now, that’s short term but that’s the reason why you can’t drive a car for 30 days is because it could be delayed. 

The CRS can start with the one thing, the Ide-cel usually occurs within one day so most people are admitted to the hospital for that CAR T-cell therapy. The Cilta-cel, it onsets to about seven days. So, some people get the Cilta-cel outpatient and then are monitored daily, whether in person or through virtual telehealth monitoring.  

But at any rate, those are the short-term. Long-term, we worry about low blood counts maybe for the first month afterwards. And then, those will come back to normal. And then, we worry about infection. So, I mentioned the antibacterial, antiviral, which is usually a medicine called acyclovir (Zovirax), which most myeloma patients will have been on anyhow. And then, that IVIG to protect against viruses and bacteria when your immune system is so low. 

But fortunately, if we control the CRS, it usually comes with the CRS, although it can be independent. We try not to give steroids, because we don’t want it to interrupt the CAR T-cell process. But many institutions will give that tocilizumab for ICANS. And if that doesn’t get better then they’ll give you a steroid, such as dexamethasone (Decadron). 

And so, that will usually reverse itself pretty quickly. Longer term, after 30 days, you can get with the Carvykti, particularly something called Parkinsonian things where you can get a little bit shaky or something like that. Again, it’s very rare and I have had hundreds of people who have undergone the CAR T-cell procedure at my institution. And knock on wood, fortunately, I’ve not seen first-hand that side effect. And I think it’s because we’re so good now at treating the – preventing the ICANS and CRS as best as we can while they’re inpatient and doing real close following.  

One other thing I want to note is if somebody who’s watching this does go in the hospital for any reason, get up and walk around and stay strong, as well as you can, during the procedure. You might be bored if you’re in the hospital anyhow, but try to stay as strong as you can in the hospital. It’ll help your post recovery for sure.  

Katherine Banwell:

Well, what about more mild side effects like fatigue and changes in appetite?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Absolutely. So, the fatigue and the changes in appetite are generally mild for most but I see it, in my experience, if your myeloma’s acting up really quickly, if you’re having a rapid disease progression, the medications that we give you to control the myeloma during this bridging therapy phase might cause some of that as well, not necessarily the CAR T-cell process. But think about it. We’re using your own cells engineered to be fighters.  

And so, that first month or two is probably when you’re going to be the most tired as your body is being programmed to fight against the myeloma cells. That fatigue tends to get better. And as I mentioned just a moment earlier, the importance of just walking around in the halls, getting out of bed when you’re in the hospital, that can really help your post recovery. It doesn’t seem like much, but there have been many studies about how muscle mass declines, energy declines when you’re hospitalized.  

And we want you to be as strong as you can and thrive as much as you can for when you’re out you can then do the things you want to do at a quicker pace.  

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How can myeloma patients decide if CAR T-cell therapy is right for them? Myeloma expert and researcher Dr. Beth Faiman discusses the role of shared decision-making in patient care and questions to ask the care team when considering CAR T-cell therapy.

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Katherine Banwell:

So, Dr. Faiman, when a patient is talking with their care team about CAR T-cell therapy, what questions should they be asking to help determine if CAR-T is even right for them?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Katherine, that’s an excellent question. So, let’s just say that somebody from Patient Empowerment Network heard about CAR T-cell therapy for myeloma and then sought out a local institution that might be conducting that procedure.   

So then, they come for that visit and what you mentioned was just spot on, getting a list of questions together. What we do at my institution, as well as many throughout the country, is a process called shared decision-making.  

You might’ve talked about this on prior webinars, but shared decision-making occurs when that healthcare team, such as the physician, nurse practitioner, pharmacist, whoever, shares information with the patient and their care partner.  

You mutually share information to arrive at a decision. So, many studies have been done on shared decision-making. It’s done in many different areas. And so, through that sharing of information, you might think of different questions.  

Some of the things that I try to proactively offer – we all have our list of things that we educate our patients on, but some of the things I proactively will recommend to patients and their care partners when you’re seeking an opinion at these centers is, “How long will I be sick? What are the biggest side effects of the medication I have to worry about?” Asking your care team – I know it sounds silly, but are they aware of all your prior health concerns, especially if you’re coming for an evaluation.  

Maybe you have peripheral neuropathy where you have numbness and tingling in your fingers or toes or a history of kidney disease. Your kidneys look fine now but maybe a few years ago at the myeloma diagnosis the kidneys had a temporary failing and now they’re better so they’d want to protect you with future medications. How long will you have to take medications after the CAR-T procedure? There’s antiviral medicines, antibacterial medications, and medications called IVIG, which strengthens your immune system.  

And then, finally, asking about the infection protection afterwards. Do you have to get vaccinated again against pneumococcal, shingles, and all of those other things that we do. The cellular therapy guidelines suggest timepoint for one, three, five, etc., months after CAR T-cell procedure to get revaccinated. So, who’s going to do that for you?  

How are you going to know what to get? So, make sure that they give you a timeline, calendars, and set expectations for what you need to do as a patient and then you’ll help them set expectations for what they need to do to provide you the accurate education.  

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Katherine Banwell:

Can you give us an overview of the process and timeline for someone choosing CAR T-cell therapy for myeloma treatment?   

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Yes. So, CAR T-cell therapy, when we first started discussing this in the mid-2000s, I thought this was science fiction.  

Taking somebody’s own cells, engineering them to be fighters against the cancer cells. I thought it was science fiction. But now, we have two FDA-approved therapies for multiple myeloma. It’s Ide-cel, which was approved in 2021 and Cilta-cel, approved in 2022.  

Now, the process is lengthy, and I know you’ve covered this before but from my perspective, I think if you want to take something home form this webinar, plan early. So, you need to have three prior lines of therapy as a myeloma patient to qualify for this treatment. But you can start planning for it ahead of time.  

So, it’s not available in every center. So, you want to start researching what the closest center would be for you to have this therapy. Many different patient support networks will have these centers on their websites. So anyhow, you find out.  

“Okay. I want to learn more about a CAR T-cell therapy.” Then you have to meet with a specialist. So, you get that education, have that referral, and meet with a specialist at a center that does CAR T-cell therapy. And that might be where you got your initial transplant if you’ve then returned to the community. After that, then we find a slot for you when it’s ready. So, there is that process of financial, physical, social things that are checked in the background. You meet with a social worker, nurses, etc.  

Once you’ve confirmed that you’re going to go through this process – now, it might be three, six, nine months in the future, if you’re a planner – but if you want to just gain information, it’s that harvesting and storing of the cells. That’s where I try to tell people age is not a number. You can be at any age and you qualify for this therapy. We’ve had people well into their late 70s to early 80s who have gotten these therapies. Long story short, it’s a process.  

You get your cells harvested and then while they’re being manufactured into fighters, they take the T cells from your blood through an apheresis machine and freeze them, send them off, make them into fighters, and then reinfuse them in your bloodstream. It’s a long process. It can take anywhere from two to three months from when you decide it’s right for you.  

Katherine Banwell:

Well, thank you for explaining that. That’s really important. It puts into perspective. It’s a big undertaking. But also, quite manageable, I think, right, with the right team and support. Who are the members?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Absolutely. The family members, friends, and, of course – I like to use the words the multidisciplinary team. That’s your physicians, your social workers, nurses, nurse practitioners like me, pharmacists, and then all your other specialists.  

So really, mounting that team from diagnosis and throughout your whole journey as a myeloma patient can really enrichen your life and help you thrive in that environment.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. It sounds like there’s a lot of support for someone going through this process and that the care partner also plays a critical role on the care team, right?  

Dr. Beth Faiman:

Oh, absolutely. So, I am a big advocate for care partner though not everybody has a caregiver. So, it can be a formal caregiver, somebody’s spouse, daughter, son, significant other. Or it can be an informal caregiver. So, I’ve had patients that – because you need to have a care partner to qualify for CAR T-cell therapy, because patients need to be monitored for about 30 days afterwards. So, that might be pulling in friends from your place of worship, people from the community, and then also people from the cancer center.  

Some of the larger centers that do the CART-cell therapy have a network setup where you get this list of people that have volunteered to drive you to appointments or maybe arrange for Uber help to drive you back and forth. I am not plugging Uber or Lyft, but a rideshare company.

And so, finding out those resources can help anyone – just about anyone – access these CAR  T-cell therapies, because you can have a long-term remission. Think about somebody who’s been through treatment A, B, C, or D and then now, “Gosh, maybe my life is going to be shortened.”  

Not necessarily. If this is the right recipe to control their myeloma then they can get 11, 24 months off of everything – just antibiotics – and be monitored. And so, it puts them at a position where if you can get the care partner, get a care team, to support you then you can have access to a potentially life extending with good quality of life therapy.   

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Lisa Hatfield:

Oh, great. Okay. Again, important to see a myeloma specialist to tease out all this information. Thank you. All right. This patient is asking, “I’m 81 and living with comorbidities. The myeloma was diagnosed after bone marrow test. How is treatment fitness determined?” And also a question about that is if you’re given an ECOG status of something you don’t like it, can that be improved after you’ve had treatment?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Absolutely.

Lisa Hatfield:

Maybe be eligible for a trial or something.

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Correct. Correct. That is so important. When this patient mentioned that they’re 81-year-old and they’re living with comorbidities, I think, so when I’m talking to a patient who’s new to me, it’s very important for me to try to tease out what was their performance status or their fitness status prior to myeloma. Because my goal is to try to get them as close to that as possible.

Now if this patient is saying that they were already quite frail before the diagnosis of myeloma and myeloma is added to the frailty, then it becomes a little tricky because we’re starting in a difficult spot. We do determine fitness by asking questions, simple questions like, what can a patient do at baseline? Can they do grocery store or grocery shopping by themselves? Can they walk around the block? Do they get short of breath? Et cetera.

And frankly, there are 81-year-olds who are playing golf every day and are fitter than me. So I’m just saying that age by itself is not the criteria. And, Lisa, like you rightly mentioned, if there are fitness issues coming from the disease itself, then that’s the time that we actually have to work with the treatment, get the treatment started, and then assess the fitness a couple of months later, a couple of cycles later. Because the treatment may have worked and may have improved the fitness quite a bit.

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What are next steps for myeloma CAR T-cell patients who experience relapse? Expert Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi from Mayo Clinic explains options for relapsed myeloma patients and shares patient advice.

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Lisa Hatfield:

Okay. So what would be the next steps, Dr. Ailawadhi, for a patient who’s had CAR T and reaches a relapse state or is relapsed?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Yep. This is something, unfortunately is the truth of the matter in myeloma at least that we are, we don’t seek cures. We have had some long remissions. I have, for example, patients who are now reaching three, three-and-a-half years of remission on CAR T treatment who received it on clinical trials even before they got FDA-approved.

But, unfortunately, the disease does come back. So what happens is, we are seeing data that the novel, other novel immunotherapies like bispecific antibodies, even the ones who go after the same target as CAR T, BCMA targeting bispecifics, they do have some response rates, good response rates in post CAR T setting. So the bispecific antibodies by themselves may give us 60 to 65 percent response, but in the post CAR T setting, that response might go down to 40, 45 percent. So less responses, but still possible.

There are also bispecific antibodies. There is one available, which is not against BCMA, it is against GPRC5D. That’s a bispecific called talquetamab-tgvs (Talvey). So a novel target. There is…there are of course a lot of clinical trials. There are some clinical trials that are even looking at CAR T post-CAR T. So different kind of a CAR T. Those clinical trials are going out. So what I would suggest is that if your disease progresses after CAR T-cell treatment, you should very strongly consider getting to a specialist myeloma center and get an opinion like you mentioned, Lisa.

That is so important because the choice of treatment is extremely important at that time. And we are trying our best to sequence all the options we have, in a way, actually one of my patients mentioned, one of these days, ”Hey, does that mean that I’m basically buying time till something new and exciting comes along?” And I said, “In a way that is true. That we are trying to stretch all our treatments and get to the point that something new and promising just like CAR T comes, and hopefully we get longer benefits again.”

Lisa Hatfield:

So when you say there’s a possibility of CAR T and then a post-CAR T maybe a second CAR T. Would that be a different target then?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

So there could be a different target. I have, in fact, I saw a patient who had received one CAR T in a clinical trial and then they were subsequently able to receive a CAR T standard of care, which had been FDA-approved. So they used different CAR Ts, but one was in clinical trials and one was standard of care.

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Lisa Hatfield:

So we have another patient asking, “Do myeloma patients require multiple prior therapies prior to being eligible for CAR T?” And what’s the rationale for not implementing CAR T immediately, which probably has to do with FDA approval based on clinical trials at this point?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

So any drug, let alone CAR T, any drug can only be given in the situation that it is approved by the FDA. So basically in accordance with that drug’s FDA approval label. Currently, CAR T-cell therapy is approved in the U.S. after at least four prior lines of therapy. And the patient must have had treatment with at least one proteasome inhibitor, for which we have three drugs, bortezomib (Velcade), ixazomib (Ninlaro), and carfilzomib. They must have been treated with at least one prior immunomodulatory drug; lenalidomide (Revlimid), thalidomide (Thalomid), pomalidomide.

And they must have been previously treated by at least one monoclonal antibody, daratumumab (Darzalex) or Isatuximab (Sarclisa). Once the patient has had all these criteria met, they’ve become a candidate for CAR T-cell therapy. Frankly, we cannot just use a drug anywhere because we cannot use a drug where it has not shown to be of benefit. And importantly, it has not shown to be of any risk. So CAR T-cell therapy in the first line setting is being studied in clinical trials, but is not FDA-approved. Currently approved only after four prior lines, but the FDA is reviewing data for both the CAR Ts to see if they may be available sooner. As of right now, that approval is still pending.

Lisa Hatfield:

Okay, thank you. We’re hopeful that that will happen soon.

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

Hopeful.

Lisa Hatfield:

Yeah. So an interesting question from a patient, “Does CAR-T therapy actually change one’s DNA?”

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

No. The CAR T therapy does not change one’s DNA. What happens is, there are T cells taken out of a patient. The DNA of those T cells is modified and then those T cells are given back to the patient. Those T cells do not go and integrate into your other healthy body cells or your stem cells, et cetera. Those T cells, it’s almost like giving a boost of immunity, which is targeted against your myeloma. So those T cells go in and they fill those myeloma cells.

Now we hope that those T cells perpetuate and teach or create some memory T cells and that immunity lasts a little bit longer. But all of that genetic modification stays within the T cells. It does not integrate anywhere else. Now, I know there was a previous question about T-cell lymphomas, that is related to this question in a way because the risk that is theoretical is, that that genetic modification in the T cells might make those T cells replicate uncontrollably leading to a T-cell cancer or T-cell lymphoma. But I’m saying that this is theoretical because while it is possible, it happens extremely rarely and even in the cases where the cancer happened, it has  been seen that the cancer may not come from that portion of the DNA that was…that’s where the modification was done. So, low risk.

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Lisa Hatfield:

For those who relapse for the first time, what are the best treatment options?

Dr. Sikander Ailawadhi:

I think that’s a very important, and I can imagine a scary situation. So somebody who relapses in general, not just even the first time, the factors that are taken into account for deciding what treatment they should get, there are broadly three categories of factors. Patient factors deciding what’s the age, what’s the other comorbidities, are they diabetic, are they heart disease, kidney dysfunction, because those things go into the decision of what may or may not be given. So patient factors.

Also importantly, how close are you to your treatment center? Can you come in for infusional or injection drugs time? And again, can you prefer or do you prefer oral drugs only? Et cetera. Those things become important. Then that…so that’s patient factors and disease factors. How fast is the progression? Is it high-risk disease, standard risk disease? Is it biochemical progression like the previous person asked?

Or is it actually a clinical progression in which there’s kidney dysfunction or anemia or bone disease? Because the choices and the urgency of treatment may change. So patient factors, disease factors, and then drug factors are the third class or third category, which is what have you had before? How long have you been on it? Are you on maintenance or not? Is your disease considered refractory to a certain agent, meaning resistant to a certain agent?

Typically, if you were on a treatment and your disease is progressing, that same drug may not be used again. And there are some times that we will reuse a drug, but generally not. We can use the same class, but we may not typically use the same drug. So I think the choice of treatment depends on all of those factors put in. And then we come up with one or two or three regimens and we discuss them with patients. And, of course, being an academic, physician, I must say there is always, you must always seek out good clinical trials if they’re available to you. That is the way our field moves forward.

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