Why Myelofibrosis Patients Should Be Engaged in Their Care Decisions

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Dr. Idoroenyi Amanam, a myeloproliferative disorder specialist and researcher from City of Hope, shares expert perspective on the importance of patient participation in care and treatment decisions. Dr. Amanam emphasizes the necessity of having a care partner and utilizing all members of the healthcare team. 

Dr. Idoroenyi Amanam is a specialist in myeloproliferative disorders and is an Assistant Professor in the Division of Leukemia at City of Hope. Learn more about Dr. Amanam.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Well, how do you encourage patients and care partners to be involved in decision making? Do you have any advice for them?  

Dr. Idoroenyi Amanam:

That’s a very important question, and it’s a tough one. And I will tell you, personally, I have family members who have medical  disorders that I think do require a lot of support from other family or friends. And  based off my experience, I encourage patients to involve their families in these discussions, because I don’t think  we’re at a space where things are very binary.  

I think the decisions that we make when we’re treating patients with myeloproliferative disorders and myelofibrosis, there are some nuances there, and I think family can really help the providers, in addition to the patients, in coming to the right decision about how we’re going to move forward.  

So, I think my advice is, involve your family, involve your friends.  I think having a community of support is very important when you have a type of disease such as this. 

Katherine Banwell:

And it’s important to have somebody there with you, a care partner or a friend, as you say, who may be able to ask questions that you, as the patient, haven’t thought of. Somebody there to take notes, just in case you need to refer to something after. 

Dr. Idoroenyi Amanam:

Absolutely. Absolutely, I agree. I think it’s a team from both sides  to, kind of, extend what you’ve said. To the medical side, the pharmacist may give me some input about  some things I may have missed with the patient,  the nurse practitioner in clinic, the RN in clinic,  the other staff.  

And  I think it’s one of those situations where the more people involved can help us, kind of, draw that picture better. I think we’re trying to get a sense of how we can move forward in the best way, and having all of those parties being active and offering  the best that they can is really helpful for everyone. 

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How Can You Learn More About Myelofibrosis Clinical Trials?

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Dr. John Mascarenhas shares advice for patients looking to learn more about clinical trials starting with consulting a specialist. Dr. Mascarenhas also emphasizes key questions to ask, including a discussion of the benefits versus risks of participating in a potential trial. 

Dr. John Mascarenhas is Professor of Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (ISMMS) and the Director of the Adult Leukemia Program and Director of the Center of Excellence for Blood Cancers and Myeloid Disorders at Mount Sinai. Learn more about Dr. Mascarenhas.

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Katherine Banwell:

What about clinical trials? How can patients learn more? 

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

Well, clinical trials is definitely a confusing area because there are many clinical trials, and some of them are relevant to some patients may be not relevant to other patients.  

So, I think two ways is, see someone who does this. So, not everyone has as their primary care provider hematologist an expert, or someone who’s dedicated to doing this. They may be in a practice where they’re in the community setting; it’s not reasonable for them to be seen at a tertiary care center. 

But if you can get there even for a consultation or an initial visit to get plugged in, I think it’s really critical to see someone who is really invested in this with research opportunities, and clinical trial availabilities. And then the other resource would be clinicaltrials.gov.  

You can go in there, you can put in your diagnosis myelofibrosis. You can even manipulate it for geography to understand what trials are in your area. 

But it is a good way of looking, just to understand what’s there. And then the MPN Research Foundation, which is very supportive of the patient community and engages them, is often a very good resource to go to, to either learn about trials or join webinars where physicians that do this will discuss, and I think that’s another excellent resource. 

Katherine Banwell:

What questions should patients ask their team about clinical trials?   

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

Well, are there clinical trials for what I have? Because again, they can be very particular to where you are in the disease process, what medications you are on, what your kidney function is, things that may really influence decision-making. So, are there clinical trials, what are the clinical trials evaluating, what should I expect from them, both potentially from a positive angle, but also from a negative. What are the known toxicities, what would be the time commitment? Trials are more involved, and they’re more involved for a reason. 

I actually personally think patients do better on clinical trials than standard of care. The reason why I think that is because they are more involved. There’s a lot more oversight and eyes on you. Not just a physician perspective, but maybe more importantly, from a research nurse and research coordinator perspective. There’s a lot of regulatory burden which translates, I think, to a lot of attention to safety and assessment for advocacy.  

So, I think understanding what that looks like at any given institution, and how it will affect the patient and their caregivers from a time perspective, and obviously toxicity. But also, what is this trial trying to achieve? Does it make sense for what I’m trying to achieve? 

Katherine Banwell:

I suppose another question might be where this trial is taking place? As a myelofibrosis patient and a caregiver, are we going to have to travel to get to this clinical trial? 

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

I think that’s a major obstacle for a lot of patients. We’re talking about a disease that typically affects people that are in there sixth, seventh, eighth decade of life. Patients don’t all live, as I’ve said, right around a cancer center or a tertiary care center, so travel, the logistics of it, the ability to have that support available. Sometimes it’s loved ones, and adult children having to take time off of work to be able to help in that process.  

It’s a lot, and I’m particularly sensitive to it, because I work in a metropolitan area, and I realize getting in and out is not easy. And a lot of times, these trials understand that, and they build into the trials stipends and support for transportation and/or lodging which helps. It’s not perfect, but it can help at least financially, and sometimes logistically, so I would definitely inquire about what those resources are.  

And sometimes foundations also help bridge the gaps for patients to help link them to trials and facilitate that. So, it’s a super important part of engaging in a trial. 

Katherine Banwell:

And who is on the health care team that might be able to answer questions like this? 

Dr. John Mascarenhas:

Well, for sure, the physician should be able to. But I think the most valuable resource often is the nurse and the nurse practitioner. There are usually research coordinators. These are often young people, but very bright young people, that are very invested in this that will sometimes show up at the clinic to talk to the patient or will be a phone resource that you could reach out to. So, it can really be, I think, three levels. The coordinator, the nurse or nurse practitioner, or physician assistant, and the physician. So, it really shouldn’t be one person, but a team of people that are available to you. 

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What questions should patients ask when considering a myelofibrosis clinical trial? Expert Dr. Gabriela Hobbs discusses how clinical trials may fit into a treatment plan and shares key questions to ask your healthcare team about participation.

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Transcript:

Katherine:

So, where do clinical trials fit into a treatment plan? 

Dr. Hobbs:

So, it really depends on what is available at the site where you’re seeking care. Clinical trials come in a variety of different flavors. So, there may be a clinical trial for patients that are newly diagnosed, that are about to start a JAK inhibitor, for example.   

So, if you’re a patient that’s considering a JAK inhibitor to treat your spleen symptoms or your systemic symptoms, and there happens to be a clinical trial for adding on another medication, like the first JAK inhibitor you receive, well, that’s a great place to consider a clinical trial.  

There may also be clinical trials in later lines. Let’s say you were treated only with a JAK inhibitor first, but the study that’s available at your center is adding another medication to the JAK inhibitor if the JAK inhibitor by itself didn’t quite do the trick. 

There’s also other studies, for example, at the time of transplantation, for example, using the JAK inhibitors during transplant. So, really the clinical trials can be relevant at any time during treatment. In addition to clinical trials, testing new medications, there’s also other ways to participate in research throughout your time as a patient with your care team, which may include things like, for example, consenting to participate in a tissue bank.  

You donate a sample of your blood or bone marrow that is then later on used for research. Or we may have studies investigating the symptoms a patient has throughout their disease or their experience living with their disease. So, there’s many different ways of participating in research and clinical trials, even if those don’t necessarily include trying a new medication.   

Katherine:

What questions should patients be asking if they’re interested in learning more about clinical trials? 

Dr. Hobbs:

Yeah, great question. So, the first is understanding, you know, what is the medication that you will be receiving? Are you going to be receiving a placebo? Is that an option? This means a sugar pill. That’s a common question that I get. How do you get assigned to different groups? So, in one trial, there may be a group that gets one dose, another group that gets another dose, et cetera. So, it’d be important to know how are you going to get assigned and what are the options potentially for you before you sign up.

After that, it’s important to know what phase the study is in. So, is this a first-in-human study where your doctor may not be able to tell you a whole lot about what’s expected in terms of side effects or safety or toxicity? Or is this a Phase III study where maybe the trial has been open for many years and there’s been many patients that have been enrolled in it already? Or maybe this is a drug that’s already been approved for another condition and we’re borrowing it for myelofibrosis, for example, and then your care team can tell you lots of information about the safety and toxicities, etc.  

So, having a sense of where the drug is in its development, I think can be very helpful. Then there are some practical things that we sometimes do not spend enough time talking about.  

So, I’m glad to have the space to talk about that here. Participating in a clinical trial takes time. And it’ll take more time as a patient to participate in a clinical trial than to receive regular care. You may have to go to the hospital where you’re being treated more frequently. If you’re somebody that receives virtual care where some of your visits are telehealth and some of them are in person, you need to be aware that you may have more visits that are in person because the clinical trial procedure requires that certain labs or tests be done in the facility, not anywhere else. Clinical trials by definition, unfortunately, sometimes have to be very inflexible in order to ensure that we collect data in a uniform way.  

So, just being aware that it may take more time to participate is important. And along those lines, asking if the clinical trial will reimburse you for some of that time. So, for example, if you need to park in the expensive hospital parking more frequently, some trials will actually reimburse you for that. Or they may offer a hotel reimbursement if you need to travel from far away and spend a night there. So, don’t be afraid to ask those things because many times that’s built into the clinical trial.

So, that’s an important thing just practically to know. So, asking for a study calendar so you get a sense of how frequently you’ll need to be going to the doctor is really important. Also, then realizing that potentially you may have to go to see the doctor or the care team more frequently initially, but then after the first couple of months, if everything is going well, you’ll likely have the flexibility to go less often. So, all those questions are important to have in mind.  

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Transcript:

Katherine:

There may be some confusion, Dr. Hobbs, among people wondering what is the difference between primary and secondary myelofibrosis? Could you describe the differences?  

Dr. Hobbs:

Sure. Great question. So, that term, primary and secondary, is actually used in medicine very frequently for the description of many conditions that are not that different. So, primary means a patient has myelofibrosis and did not have any myeloproliferative neoplasm, or MPN, before their diagnosis.  

So, they went to the doctor and the first diagnosis they received was a diagnosis of myelofibrosis. Now sometimes we suspect that a patient may have had another MPN previously, such as essential thrombocythemia or polycythemia vera, but they just weren’t diagnosed.   

What I mean by that is, you know, let’s say you meet a patient and you look through their chart and you see that five years ago or 10 years ago, they had really, really high platelets or very high red blood cell numbers. So, there you could say, well, you know, you were never diagnosed with ET or PV, but maybe you had that.

So, you probably have secondary myelofibrosis, but the diagnosis, you know, that you come with to the doctor is myelofibrosis. So, secondary myelofibrosis means that you had an underlying condition before, meaning you were first diagnosed with one condition like PV, polycythemia vera, or ET, and then those conditions turned into myelofibrosis.  

And then we call that secondary myelofibrosis, meaning it is secondary to the primary condition, meaning ET or PV. One area of confusion that I’d like to be able to clarify also related to this is if a person has secondary myelofibrosis, they don’t have two myeloproliferative neoplasms or two conditions. It is one and the same. They just live on a spectrum and over time, they can turn into, one into the other. So, it’s not that you now have two diagnoses, it’s still the same condition, it’s just morphed a little.  

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

When considering treatment options, what key questions should patients ask about their proposed treatment plan? 

Dr. Lucia Masarova:

What’s the goal of my therapy? That is one of the most important things to know. Patients don’t even know how long they have to be on the medicines. What to do and how does it look when the medicine is still working? What do I need to be looking for in this medicine? And then what are we going to do if it fails? And what does it actually mean when it fails? What is the schedule? How burdensome the treatment is? How often do I have to come?  

How often and what do I have to pay? Because the financial burden we have to really, really face the truth. It is very, very, very significant and somebody living with this disease predicates. It’s something we cannot take lightly, and we really have to combine our efforts and help with that. There are fantastic patient support organizations, but is not well-known, and is still in the rare – in rarer field. So, there’s more effort that we do. 

When do I need more help? Where to be referred to more experts? What is the role of stem cell transplantations, if ever? So, those are really the key things.  

Where do I find reliable resources to learn about my treatment, to learn about the disease? How do I connect with people from the same community? It is a disease with a lower age in a lot of circumstances and really facing this disease in the 30s or 40s or 50s is a really challenging thing. Although we have more and more medications currently, we really do have now to start thinking about their durability, about the safety for long-term, about their assessments for not performing, and where do we place the ultimate cure for stem cell transplants?  

And how do we make it actually happen in more and more eligible patients? Because we have to face the truth. It is still not utilized to where it belongs. Patients are not being referred. 

Patients are not being transplanted. And they may change with novel therapies. But we have to really consider all of our tools to offer the longest life span and to prevent all the disease trouble that comes with living with MPNs.   

Katherine Banwell:

When it comes to clinical trials, where do they fit in in choosing treatment? 

Dr. Lucia Masarova:

For me, it’s number one., and always number one.  

That’s just the academic centers which are dedicated and focused on developing better and novel and up front and just tailored and customized drugs. But I know that the life is out there and it’s a little bit more challenging for everybody to deal with such a rare disease.  

I would definitely say any patient that does not respond to current therapy in terms of uncontrolled symptoms or spleen, or other concerns should be referred and evaluated for participation in clinical trials. It is the only way we could understand what is driving that this is not responding and how could we help the best?   

For patients with myelofibrosis, which is the most aggressive myeloproliferative neoplasm, I would definitely put it in. If they are not doing well on number  one, JAK inhibitor, whatever is being used, they should be highly encouraged to be referred to centers and evaluated for clinical trials. 

We have been developing as others and own strategies to potentiate the benefit and efficacy of the current treatments, as well as agents in what we call salvage or refractory setting.  

However, I cannot emphasize enough to really focus on the first track that providers choose for their patients and utilize it to the best ability to avoid frequent or quick switching. Because in a salvage or  refractory setting we cannot offer the same benefit we could offer upfront. We are pushing the disease, maybe being less responsive, maybe more refractory, if we don’t handle the medication we have currently on the table to the best ability.  

Those are excellent medications, fantastic drugs, but there are shortcomings in each and every one of them. And we could do better to really start thinking about what has happened with the medication, why is it failing the patient, and what else could we do? And that’s only possible in the clinical trial setting, especially in such a rare disease as myeloproliferative neoplasms are.   

Katherine Banwell:

Why is it important for patients to feel like they have a voice in their treatment options? 

Dr. Lucia Masarova:

Because it’s about the patients. I would say, as I always say to my patients, “Nobody’s a better advocate for you than you.” I really, really, really like working with patients. They are educated. They understand where to find resources. They’re not afraid to ask. That challenges all of my team and everybody to really be engaged. They know when to notify me. Not to be quiet when they need something. And really raise their voice when something doesn’t work.  

Patients know their bodies more than anybody can. And no data, no boxes, no books can ever tell me how it actually is. It’s not by chance we have two ears to listen and one mouth to talk.  

So, we have to really listen what the patient has to say and take all the abilities, the resources, the knowledge, the capabilities to really make the best thing for the patients, because it is ultimately and only about that.