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Coping With Emotional & Sexual Health | Advice for Myeloma Patients and Care Partners

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Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina discusses the importance of seeking third-party support for managing mental health issues and provides guidance on addressing sexual health concerns during myeloma treatment. 

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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 Myeloma Symptom Management | An Expert’s Approach

Myeloma Symptom Management | An Expert’s Approach

Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

If a patient or a caregiver is having trouble managing the emotional side of myeloma, whether that be anxiety, depression, or other mental health issues, how do you encourage them to cope with those feelings?  

Daniel Verina:

I think it’s always good – multiple times I say they always should talk to a third party. So, either reach out to our social worker team who are phenomenal at helping support patients, but even reaching out to psychiatrists or psychologists and getting another perspective. It is good to have a friend. It’s good to have family to discuss and talk to, but sometimes, I think, sometimes having somebody so close may not have the best perspective.  

But so, getting a third opinion or a clear lens in discussion to help guide them is a great way to do it. I also advise caregivers because of the burden of the calendars and the different tasks they have to do, I tell – even with my patients, I tell them to journal. Journal their day. Be able to get out there their voice from their mind into a piece of paper to help clear the mind and give clarity to move on for their next steps. It is a challenge.  

Katherine Banwell:

And you’re saying that that psychological support for the caregiver is just as important.  

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. It’s the patient who also has cancer so does the caregiver have cancer too. So, you’re treating two people, not just the person who you’re giving the therapy to.  

Katherine Banwell:

We were talking about supporting the care partner and the patient in terms of mental and physical well-being. There’s a sexual aspect to that as well, right? 

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. I think sexuality or sexual health is extremely important. I think the fear, what I have seen in my personal experiences, and it depends on each. And each person, part of this chess game, has a different view. So, the patient is sometimes nervous because they don’t want to hurt their caregiver because they’re on chemotherapy. And then, the caregiver might feel that they’re not prepared because they don’t want to cause any injuries because they’re on chemotherapy, right? What are their counts? May I hurt them? Will I give them an infection? Things like those kinds of things.  

And sometimes in both directions that the patient may lose the libido, the desire, and it has nothing to do with the caregiver and their attraction, right? It’s a physical change that the therapies that we give may diminish some of this physicality. So, explaining that to the patient and their caregiver, but also giving them that support. Having them be able to talk to a social worker, having them being able to talk to a therapist and say, “This is what I’m experiencing. How do I cope with this?”   

Empowering Myeloma Patients and Care Partners | Key Advice From a Clinician

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Empowering Myeloma Patients and Care Partners | Key Advice From a Clinician from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina discusses strategies to empower care partners and myeloma patients, emphasizing the long-term nature of the journey and providing guidelines for returning to activity post-treatment.

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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The Benefits of Shared Decision-Making for Myeloma Care

Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

As a provider, Daniel, how do you empower care partners and their patients who have been diagnosed with myeloma?  

Daniel Verina:

I think with the cancer card or even myeloma, and I always say this, it’s truly a fact, I said it’s a journey. It’s a journey.  We are together. It’s the tortoise that wins the race, not the hare when it comes to myeloma. It’s very different because many patients may have an experience that a friend had a different type of cancer and their treatment ended in a year or two. So, and myeloma currently, it is a continuous type of treatment for many years.  

So, it’s getting them on board and understanding that there’s going to be wax and wanes in time. And we’re here for the long run together. I’ll ask questions continuously because every question is new to them. I might’ve heard the question 6 million times, but it’s their first time experiencing it and hearing it.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. Well, and following treatment, how do you counsel patients who are returning to activity and exercise? Are there any guidelines they should follow?  

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. I think it depends on how they feel, their physicality, depending on their age because myeloma really has now become a broad spectrum in age. Yes, it’s a more mature adult or older adult disease, but we’re seeing it happen in our patients in their 40s and their 50s. So, they want to return to activities. They say whatever they can tolerate. Making sure that they’re not doing heavy lifting because myeloma can affect the bone strength or cause fractures.

So, no power lifting or bungee jumping, I try to advise them not to do. But go back to what they enjoy the most. Bringing them back to close to what their normal living is, I think is one of the best ways that patients can tolerate it.  

Where Can Myeloma Care Partners Find Out More About Financial Support?

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Where Can Myeloma Care Partners Find Out More About Financial Support? from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Where can myeloma care partners find out more about available financial support? Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina discusses avenues for navigating the financial burden of care through social workers and organizations like the International Myeloma Foundation (IMF), and the importance of asking your healthcare team for resources.

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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Transcript:

 Katherine Banwell:

How can caregivers find out more about financial support? 

Daniel Verina:

I think the great thing is talk to your social worker and your institution to see what available funds, what grants that are available for them to help support them through that. Also, inquire at their employment what is available for them through there. What does their insurance actually cover, right?  

Going to the International Myeloma Foundation website or the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation website and seeing the support that they can get through those institutions and organizations and the key tools that they have there for them.   

Katherine Banwell:

I mean, there could be something as simple as not being able to pay for parking.   

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. And I always ask. I tell my patients, “Ask.” I’ll be honest, at my institution, I never know whether they can punch the card and get free parking or not, but I say to them, “Please ask at the front desk. Ask our social workers if there are ways.” And if they’re getting bills that we don’t understand, one thing patients need to do, and their caregivers is to bring us the bills that they have.  

Because many times, in my experience, the patient has brought me a stack of bills after four months and said, “Look what I’m getting.” I said, “Well, why didn’t you tell me a month into this, not waiting four months?” So, it’s allowing them to know bring it to us and let’s see what we can do can. We can never always guarantee that we can eradicate their bills. But what I’m saying to them is we can try.  

Katherine Banwell:

Absolutely. That’s great advice, Daniel. Thank you so much for joining us.  

Daniel Verina:

Oh, thank you so much. 

CAR T-Cell Therapy | Monitoring for Side Effects As a Care Partner

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How can care partners monitor side effects from CAR T-cell therapy? Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina discusses the unique aspects of CAR T-cell therapy, guiding care partners on recognizing side effects like cytokine release syndrome and neurological changes, emphasizing communication with healthcare providers.

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Is there anything you’d like to add about care partners and what they should know about the CAR T-cell process?   

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. That some of the CAR T experience is that when patients reach the CAR T, they may already have a stem cell transplant earlier in their life, an autologous stem cell transplant. So, I will guide them and say there were some similar characteristics, meaning that there’s collection, there’s chemotherapy, and there’s a stay in the hospital.  

But some of the differences that their blood counts may not return as quickly as they did with an auto stem cell transplant.  So, they may see lower counts.  After a month or two, they may start to drop. So, to expect that some of these changes are normal or part of our pathway.  

But also, things that we need to look for and a caregiver should understand, that there are delayed effects, like cytokine release syndrome, or neurotoxicity’s that we see with CAR T can happen a couple of months down the line.  So, one of the important tools that a caregiver should have to watch and monitor patients longer on is being able to look for these toxicities. And there are many tools out there that are available through the IMF or the MMRF that the caregiver can say they’re not remembering as well, or I feel like they’re word searching.  

Even though the patient may come to us and sound and answer the questions appropriately, the caregiver says, you know what, I just feel like there’s something different.  And that’s a cue for us. I always call them the truth serum. The caregiver to me is the truth serum in the room.  So, I think one of those things is really teaching them to look for delayed side effects or adverse events that may occur even four, five, six months later.   

Katherine Banwell:

Can you give us an idea of what sort of side effects the care partner should be looking for? 

Daniel Verina:

So, in the hospital, patients can experience what we call cytokine release syndrome or fevers, fast heart rate, low blood pressures. And that could occur upfront, but it could happen later on in life.  Certain things also are neurotoxicity. So, having persistent headaches, memory loss, word searching, sometimes change in their gait, and sometimes even a little bit of a handshaking or tremor.  

So, neurological changes. Shuffling they may see. Weaknesses in their legs, things like that. So, they used to get up out of the chair very quickly, and now it takes them longer to do that. And those are signs that they should be calling their primary CAR T physicians and saying, “I’m seeing a change,” because the further out they go and if they’re doing successfully, we see them about every month or so compared to when they come out of the hospital. So, you want to alert the caregiver to call us as quickly and not wait until the next appointment. You never know.  

After CAR T-Cell Therapy | Care Partner Tips for Staying Prepared and Organized

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What should care partners expect after CAR T-cell therapy? Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina offers tips for staying prepared, including advice on returning home, preparing the home post-therapy, and staying organized.

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

We know that patients should be near a medical center for the first few weeks after the therapy. Do you have any organizational tips for how a care partner can best prepare for the return home?   

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. So, yes, it is required. So, the patient generally stays in the hospital for two weeks and then it’s required for them to be very close to the hospital two weeks after that because it requires many visits. I think preparing for home is also knowing that they have adequate and support for transportation because sometimes the patient may have to come in two to three times a week for support usually in the bigger institutions.  

Also, reconnecting back with their local oncologist just to make sure that if something does happen and they can’t get to the cancer center quick enough, they have another support. And to also to be able to monitor that, make sure they have thermometers and blood pressure machines and things that are going to be there for them when they get home.  

Katherine Banwell:

Do you have any tips for making the physical space at home more comfortable?   

Daniel Verina:

You know, I always say that’s individualized and everybody’s home is different. So, it’s hard to say that. I always – I’m very minimalistic. So, I always say don’t have a lot of clutter because post-CAR T you may feel a little weak or tired. So, make sure that they’re not navigating around a lot of furniture. There’s not loose rugs, equipment like that.

They may need some support even in the showers. That they may need a shower chair depending on the patient’s physicality. But that’s a very good discussion to have before they leave the hospital. Maybe our social worker teams can set up DNS [Home Health Care] and be able to put some support into the home.    

Katherine Banwell:

Are there any supplies that care partners will need as they care for a patient at home?   

Daniel Verina:

Supplies are very simple; I’ll be honest with you. It’s generally thermometers and maybe an automated blood pressure machine, I think, and then a pad of paper and pens that work itself. And also, like I say, it’s having the transportation or having a backup of something if the patient doesn’t feel well to get there. But in supplies, no, the patient should eat what they normally eat. I would say not as spicy because they may not be able to tolerate it, but things like that.  

Katherine Banwell:

And a calendar, I would think would be pretty important.  

Daniel Verina:

I love calendars. I’m a calendar writer, so I like it usually on paper, but people like it on their phone. So, I always tell patients also to keep a diary of how they feel because they come to us and I think it’s very common where you go, I have a million questions to ask you, and then they forget. So, it’s always good to say, “Oh, he had a little – he might have had some loose stools or diarrhea on this day,” but then they forgot to tell you. So, I think it’s good to document those things. And even weight –    

Katherine Banwell:

Pardon me?  

Daniel Verina:

And even their weight. So, all their vital signs and weight should always be documented. 

Katherine Banwell:

Okay, thank you. Who is the best point of contact at a medical center if they need support?   

Daniel Verina:

It’s actually the medical team. The best support is the medical team, depending on it. So, and each institution, I’ll say, may have different ways of accessing it. We have a 24-hour hotline. So, when the patient doesn’t feel well, they can call directly in. If it’s simple questions, they can always use the EMR messaging services that we have at our institution. So, each institution may have a way of doing it, but I would say always reach out to the primary team.   

An Essential CAR T-Cell Therapy Team Member | The Care Partner

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An Essential CAR T-Cell Therapy Team Member | The Care Partner from Patient Empowerment Network on Vimeo.

Nurse practitioner Daniel Verina highlights the crucial role that care partners play during the CAR T-cell therapy process, offering advice on what they should expect throughout the journey, and emphasizing the importance of a support system and resources for patients and their care partners.

Daniel Verina is a nurse practitioner at the Center of Excellence for Multiple Myeloma at Mount Sinai Tisch Cancer Center in New York City.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Daniel, the care partner is a vital team member in the CAR T process. Can you explain the role of a care partner?  

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. I think one of the key ingredients, I think, in cancer care across the board is the caregiver. I think many times it’s forgotten because we’re very focused on the patient’s needs. But entirely, it’s not just the patient who has the cancer, it’s the caregiver who actually has the cancer or bears some of the burden. So, I think it’s important to always have them involved in all of the roles and each step that the patient goes through, and also try to provide them support that they may need that’s extra, not that the patient gets.   

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. As a nurse practitioner, Daniel, you educate care partners about the CAR T-cell process. What are three key pieces of advice you share with care partners for patients who are considering CAR T-cell therapy?   

Daniel Verina:

There’s a few. So big three key points to this is that it’s a journey. One of the things, it’s not just a quick we’re going to do this in a month and then we’ll be moving on. It’s going to be for a couple of months or a few years that we may be together during this CAR T experience, one.

There’s going to be also many trips to your facility, your institution, your cancer center that are required to even getting part of the CAR T, working up for the CAR T before even having the cells manufactured and given back to them. And I think also having an extra support for them, so the caregiver also has to have support outside of them. So, if they’re not able to make a meeting or come to an appointment, they should have a backup or somebody even just to talk to outside of just the cancer center.   

Katherine Banwell:

For care partners, what support and resources do you recommend for their mental and physical well-being when caring for a loved one who’s undergoing CAR T?   

Daniel Verina:

Absolutely. I think you could even broad span that to all of cancer care itself, but especially with CAR T. There’s many resources out there that are available. So, the International Myeloma 

What Are the Advantages of Seeking Care With a Lung Cancer Specialist?

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What are the benefits of seeing a lung cancer specialist? Dr. Thomas Marron discusses the key advantages of specialty care, the value of a second opinion, and options for seeing a lung cancer specialist via telemedicine.

Dr. Thomas Marron is Director of the Early Phase Trials Unit at the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital. Dr. Marron is also Professor of Medicine and Professor of Immunology and Immunotherapy at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Learn more about Dr. Marron.

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Katherine Banwell:

What’s the advantage then of seeking care with a lung cancer specialist? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, I think it’s extremely important. Unfortunately, a lot of the country, there are not lung cancer specialists available around the corner. But in large cities, there’s typically many lung cancer specialists, but I think it’s extremely important, at least as a second opinion, even if you’re not going to be treated locally by a lung cancer specialist, to seek out expertise.  

And often times, I’ll have patients that come from more rural areas outside of New York and they’ll come, and they’ll see me and then I’ll work with their local provider to come up with a treatment plan. Because the fact of the matter is, is that in every cancer type, but particularly in lung cancer, the field is moving so quickly. So, the treatment options that we have available today were not available in 2022.  

And we’re going to have probably five to 10 drugs that’re going  to be FDA-approved in the next year. And it’s typically the lung cancer specialist where it’s all that we do, we eat, breathe and live lung cancer, we’re the ones that really are up to date on everything. While if you’re seeing a general hematology, oncology provider who I’m always in awe of, they have to stay up to date on lung cancer, breast cancer, lymphoma, leukemia, everything under the sun.  

And when you have so much development in the research that’s happening, you really want to be talking to somebody, at least as a second opinion that knows exactly what the most latest data is and what the best options are available. And also, those lung cancer providers are usually the ones that will know exactly where you can go to get access to certain clinical trials.  

Katherine Banwell:

In seeking a second opinion, can somebody do a tele-visit, or do you have to actually, physically go to see the specialist? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, it depends on the specialist that you’re trying to see.  

There are certain institutions that will allow you to do televisits. Oftentimes doctors, at least for their first encounter with a patient really want to see somebody in person, just so that we can really evaluate how functional somebody is. There’s a lot that I cannot tell through my computer screen, through my Zoom call with a patient.

And so, it can be a little bit difficult, but there are many centers, including our own that will offer patients televisits as a second opinion, for us to get a chance to talk to them about their medical history, review, the treatment decisions that they’ve had in the past or the current treatment decision that they’re dealing with and give our own opinion on what they should do.  

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

What questions should patients be asking about their proposed treatment plan? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

I think that in lung cancer, most patients are going  to get the same therapeutic approach offered to them wherever they go.  

It’s not like certain types of cancer where there’s 10 different ways to treat it. But there are some nuances and depending on the location in which you’re getting treated, whether it be in an academic hospital or a community setting, you may have different chemotherapies offered, immunotherapies offered. You may have different combinations offered. And so, I think it’s important to always ask your provider what other options are there, and why are they recommending one option over another. But I think it’s also really important that patients get second opinions.   

A lot of my patients, even my in-laws are always very skittish about getting a second opinion because they don’t want to insult their doctor, who they feel very close to. And I would say, it couldn’t be further from the truth. Any good doctor is 100 percent okay with a patient going and getting a second, third, fourth opinion because to us, the most important thing is that you have confidence in the decisions that we’re making about your treatment.

I always tell patients, I’m basically a waiter here offering you a menu of options and giving you my recommendation. But it is up to the patient in the end what treatment they receive and how long they receive it for.  

And if they decide ever to discontinue it. And I think that the more information, the more smart people looking at you, the better.  

Katherine Banwell:

Where do clinical trials fit into a non-small cell lung cancer treatment plan? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, that’s a phenomenal question and one that I hope that everyone asks their providers when they see them because the reality is that while we are curing some patients, the vast majority of patients are not cured. And I think that all patients should at least consider a clinical trial, whether it be a first line clinical trial. So, the first medicine that you receive for your cancer, or at the time of progression.  

I think particularly, once patients progress on the first line therapy, those patients we really don’t have a cure for, even if we have some palliative chemotherapies or eventually these antibody drug conjugates to treat them.  

And so, I think everybody who is progressing on first line therapy should always consider a clinical trial. And I think it’s extremely important that patients realize the need to ask their providers about clinical trials, but also be an advocate for themselves and go out and get second opinions, get third opinions and see what trials are available in the community and even in other cities.

Because often times in New York City, I’ll have completely different clinical trials than my colleagues at the other five institutions in the city. And it’s really important that patients advocate for themselves, and they identify everything that’s available.   

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What’s the latest in lung cancer research? Dr. Thomas Marron from the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital discusses the advances in targeted therapy and immunotherapy and what this progress means for patients with lung cancer. 

Dr. Thomas Marron is Director of the Early Phase Trials Unit at the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital. Dr. Marron is also Professor of Medicine and Professor of Immunology and Immunotherapy at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Learn more about Dr. Marron.

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Marron, you’re a leading researcher in the field. What new and emerging progress in lung cancer care are you excited about? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, there’s many extremely exciting, targeted therapies that’re in development. And so, as I mentioned, we do genetic sequencing, and we get three to 500 genes’ worth of data. But we only have drugs to target around 10 of those.  

So, hopefully in the coming years, in the next three to five years, we’ll have many more options based on somebody’s genetic profile of their tumor. I think that also, within the field of immunotherapy, which typically are given to patients who don’t have those targetable mutations. 

Immunotherapy is really, has revolutionized the treatment of lung cancer and with immunotherapy, we’re actually able to cure a subset of patients while in the past, we always said patients with metastatic disease had incurable disease, but it was treatable disease, just not curable.  

Now, we are curing a subset of patients. Unfortunately, we’re not curing the majority of patients. But the field of immunotherapy is evolving very quickly with new therapies targeting new parts of the immune system.  

So, similar with targeted therapies, it’s really an umbrella term. So, targeted therapy is an umbrella term for dozens of different drugs. Immunotherapy, similarly, is an umbrella term for dozens of different approaches to the immune system. So, dozens of different ways to turn on the immune system so that the immune system does its job and recognizes and kills cancer. Because your immune system is in your body to tell the difference between foreign things like COVID and normal things like your lung.  

And cancer is somewhere in between and there’s probably hundreds of different ways in which cancer finds an ability to hijack our immune system and then turn our immune system off. And so, I think with these emerging therapies that we’re developing now and will be further developed in the next five to 10 years, I think we’re going to see another revolution happen in the setting of immunotherapy.  

Katherine Banwell:

So, what do these advances mean for non-small cell lung cancer patients?  

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, in non-small cell lung cancer, immunotherapy has really changed the way that we’re treating patients from 10 years ago when we were giving chemotherapy alone, or maybe 15 years ago. Ten or 15 years ago, when I saw a patient with metastatic disease, I would have to have a very frank conversation with them and tell them that the median survival was 10 months and that this was an incurable illness that would eventually take their life. Now, with the introduction of immunotherapy, patients are living more than twice as long on average. 

And there are a subset of patients, somewhere between 10 to 20  percent of people that go into remission and stay in remission. And so, that really has revolutionized the treatment. Obviously, we’re not done, because we still have to help the remainder of those patients and our goal is 100 percent cure. But the fact that we’re even using the C-word, cure in our cancer clinics is really amazing. 

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Transcript:

Katherine Banwell:

What are antibody drug conjugates, and how do they treat lung cancer?   

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, antibodies are proteins that have been manufactured. They’re a synthetic version of something that happens in our own body And they’re very specific for a very unique protein. And so, there are certain cancer proteins, there’s proteins on the surface of cancer that really aren’t expressed anywhere else in your body. And so, what we can do is we can develop these antibodies that basically are a heat-seeking missile. So, you inject them like chemotherapy, through an IV. But they’re a heat-sinking missile, and they go throughout your body, and they stick themselves to the cancer.  

And hopefully, they don’t stick anywhere else. And basically, antibody drug conjugate means the drug is conjugated to the antibody, meaning you basically have glued chemotherapy onto that antibody.  

And so, what it allows us to do is, instead of giving chemotherapy through the IV like we normally would, where that chemotherapy goes everywhere in your body, and that’s the main reason that you have toxicity.  

It doesn’t just go to the cancer, it also goes to your bone marrow, to your hair, to your intestines, has side effects. Antibody drug conjugates, the goal of them is to really deliver the chemotherapy directly to the tumor and spare the rest of your body, the toxicity from the chemotherapy that’s glued onto the antibody.

It’s important to note that they still do have side effects. So, some of that chemotherapy, for lack of a better term falls off the antibody or it might leak out of the tumor after it kills the tumor cells. And so, there is still the potential for toxicity, very similar to the toxicities that we see with chemotherapy.   

But so far, the data is very encouraging, both in lung cancer and other cancer types that antibody drug conjugates might be a superior formulation of chemotherapy, so better able to treat lung cancer. And we have a few drugs that’re actually probably going to be FDA-approved in the second line setting for non-small cell lung cancer. So, that’s for patients who have received standard first-line therapy and unfortunately, their cancer has progressed.   

And we actually already have one drug that was, it’s called Enhertu that was developed for breast cancer. And that’s now FDA-approved for lung cancer, for a rare subset of lung cancer patients who have an exon-20 HER2 mutation.  

And the patients I’ve treated with that drug do extremely well, and so I think it’s a very encouraging sign of what’s to come using more and more of these targeted chemotherapy regimens.  

Katherine Banwell:

Yeah. Well, that leads me to the next question, is there a patient type that ADCs are right for? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, maybe is the question, answer. So, I don’t know because we don’t have good biomarkers right now to identify the patients that’re going to respond best to the drugs that’re in development, at least those ones that’re furthest along in development.  

And we’re always searching for biomarkers, which basically just means a test that we do on the patient’s biopsy or in their blood to tell us who’s going to respond to a therapy and who’s not. Unfortunately, right now we don’t have a good biomarker for these drugs.  

Hopefully as we do larger trials and we study biopsies and blood from the patients on those trials, we can identify the subset of patients that will do best with the therapy. Because we always want to make sure we’re getting patients the best therapy for them and we’re avoiding giving these therapies, because there are some toxicities to patients that aren’t going to respond to the therapy. So, it’s definitely a work in progress. 

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What are the latest advances in lung cancer testing? Dr. Thomas Marron discusses the role of molecular testing when choosing therapy and how innovations in technology have revolutionized lung cancer care.

Dr. Thomas Marron is Director of the Early Phase Trials Unit at the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital. Dr. Marron is also Professor of Medicine and Professor of Immunology and Immunotherapy at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Learn more about Dr. Marron.

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Katherine Banwell:

What should patients understand about the results of molecular testing? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, molecular testing is extremely important and anybody who has metastatic non-small cell lung cancer should get it. And increasingly, with the new drug approvals, even patients that have earlier stage disease, stage II and III disease should also get molecular testing. Molecular testing is important to identify if there is a potential therapeutic target.  

But it’s also important to know that it may predict a response to a therapy, whether that be a targeted therapy or something like immunotherapy. But there is no guarantee. So, there’s no specific result from a molecular test that tells you there’s 100 percent chance you’re going to be cured by Drug X.  

And so, it’s important to always know that we’re following the data and we’re giving patients the drugs that, based on the knowledge we have today is the best option for them, based on their molecular test. But it isn’t a guarantee. And sometimes these drugs will work transiently.  

And so, they may work for weeks, months, year but then they might stop working. And it’s also important to understand that the mutational profile may change over time, which is one of the reasons why we do these genetic tests. Oftentimes multiple times. Not just at the time of diagnosis, but also when patients’ cancer starts to grow so that we can see if there’s a new molecular target that we might be able to identify and treat with a novel therapy.  

Katherine Banwell:

Dr. Marron, are there innovations in technology that are aiding in the advancement of lung cancer research?  

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Yeah, so there’s lots of developments in the molecular tests that we’re doing. One of them is that we’re able to track circulating tumor DNA. So, as cancer is growing, it grows in this very unorganized aberrant way, because the on and off growth switches within the cancer, within the DNA are very dysregulated. And what happens is that often times, they’re releasing a lot of cancer cells as they’re growing or also dying and releasing their DNA into the blood.  

And so, through blood tests, we’re now able to identify the mutations in a patient’s cancer. And this is a real revolution in the initial diagnosis of metastatic lung cancer because in the past, we had to wait for three, four, five weeks in order to know whether a patient had a targetable mutation like an EGFR mutation. Or if we should use a more agnostic approach, immunotherapy or chemotherapy to treat the patient.  

But now when I see a patient, typically I see lung cancer patients on Fridays, I will take some of their blood, I send it off for the liquid biopsy analysis. And by that following Friday, so just one week later, I typically have an answer of if the patient has a mutation that I can target, let’s say with an oral medicine or if they’re a patient that I should be treating with immunotherapy. Additionally, circulating tumor DNA, increasingly we can use it to identify or track a patient’s progress, as far as response to therapy.  

And so, this has really been developed in other tumor types, but increasingly we’re using it in lung cancer where we can either track how much cancer they have in their body. So, very early on, we can see if the cancer is shrinking or growing. And additionally, we can use it to detect patients after surgery, whether or not they have residual disease in their body.

And so, a lot of the times patients will undergo surgery because let’s say on a CAT scan, you might only see one large, isolated tumor. But after we take that tumor out, now we can do a blood test to see if there might be microscopic bits of that cancer that were left over, that we weren’t able to see on a CAT scan or PET scan.  

And it’s that patient population that we think benefits most from either chemotherapy or targeted therapy after surgery. So, we’re using circulating tumor DNA, both in the metastatic setting, where cancer has already spread to other parts of the body. And also, in the perioperative setting, around the time of surgery or radiation where we’re trying to cure patients. And we’re now able to use this technology to hopefully increase the likelihood that we’re curing them. 

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Katherine Banwell:

Welcome, Dr. Marron. Would you introduce yourself, please? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Sure, I’m Tom Marron. I’m the Director of the Early Phase Trials Unit at the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital. I’m a Professor of Medicine and also a Professor of Immunology and Immunotherapy at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. And I’m trained as both an oncologist and an immunologist.  

Katherine Banwell:

Excellent. Thanks for joining us today.  

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Thank you for having me.   

Katherine Banwell:

We know that the presence of certain mutations can affect lung cancer treatment options. Can you share the latest updates in targeted therapies?  

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Sure, so there’s been a lot of developments in targeted therapies as of late.  

Mutations in a patient’s cancer can represent a potential therapeutic target, and we have increasing numbers, every year we have new FDA approvals for typically pills that target very specific mutations and are able to either control cancer or even kill cancer. Additionally, we use DNA sequencing of tumors to identify mutations that could be predictive of a response to certain therapies. So, even though we don’t have a specific drug to target that mutation in their DNA, that change in their DNA that’s making the cancer grow, we do know that patients with certain DNA mutations do better on certain therapies than other therapies.  

And so, we can use mutations specifically to help guide therapy, even if we don’t have a targeted therapy for something like EGFR mutation or a KRAS mutation. And additionally, one of the things that we do as we’re treating patients is, often times we will give a patient with lung cancer a therapy and then their cancer may respond for weeks, months, even years.  

But then it might recur, or it might just start growing if it never went away entirely. And at that time, we’re oftentimes repeating the genetic sequencing, whether doing a biopsy or sometimes we can do what we call a liquid biopsy, which is just taking some blood and looking for some of the DNA from the cancer floating around in the blood.  

And the reason we do that is that if you see a change in the mutations, it might represent either a change in the type of cancer or it might represent what we call an escape mutation, or an escape mechanism where the cancer that had been responding to therapy X is now not responding because it changed its DNA to overcome the therapy you were given. And that might suggest that we try a specific new therapy, or that we just change our approach entirely.  

Katherine Banwell:

You’ve answered my next question to some degree, but I’m going to ask it anyway. How do these therapies work to treat lung cancer? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

So, cancer is caused by changes in your DNA. So, your DNA is your instruction booklet on how cells should grow and when they should grow. And every cell in your body theoretically has the same DNA, except for, because of a variety of things like smoking or exposure to radon or just living in a large city full of pollution. As we get older, we basically accrue more and more mutations and changes in our DNA, our instruction booklet. And while most of these changes really don’t have any sequela, and they’re not going to affect the ability for the cancer, or for normal cells to grow.  

Sometimes you’ll get a mutation in a very specific gene that’s important for telling cells when to divide and when to grow and when not to grow. And you can think of it as a light switch where the light switch gets stuck in the on position and constantly, cells are growing and growing and growing and that’s when you have cancer. So, when you have these mutations, one of the approaches that we’ve been working on for the last few decades, in particular in the last few years.  

We have lots of these new drugs that target these mutations, and they basically turn that on signal off. So, they disrupt, it’s like turning the light switch off. You’re disrupting the constant grow, grow, grow signal and keeping the cancer from growing. Typically, we think of these targeted therapies that do this, not as cures for cancer, at least when patients have metastatic disease, but they’re very good at controlling cancer. And some of these therapies can work for years, even a decade and control the cancer. But often times, unfortunately cancer always finds a way to outsmart us, even when we’re outsmarting it.  

Katherine Banwell:

Right. Are there new mutations being discovered that can impact the future of small cell lung cancer care? 

Dr. Thomas Marron:

Well, I’m not sure I would say that there’s a lot of new mutations that’ve been discovered, per se. Every time that you come in and get a diagnosis of lung cancer, we typically will take the tissue and like I said, sometimes we’ll take some blood and do a liquid biopsy and look for a slew of different known mutations.   

And typically, we’ll look for anywhere from three to 500 known mutations in the cancer, even though we only have drugs to treat about 10 of those three to 500. The nice thing though is that as we learn more and more and more about these mutations and we study them, we are developing more and more drugs to address specific mutations. So, five years ago we really only had three different mutations that we could target.  

Now, we have around 10 because we have all these new drugs that target very specific mutations whether they be in genes like MET or RET or KRAS or BRAS.  

So, I think that while we aren’t necessarily discovering that many new genes, we’ve been looking at the genetic sequence of cancer and also, just the human genome for 20 to 30 years at this point, we’re discovering lots of new drugs that can target those specific mutations that we know patients have, but that most of the mutations we identify are not necessarily druggable targets.  

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What three key pieces of advice would you have for a patient who has just been diagnosed with small cell lung cancer?  

Dr. Sen:

First of all, I would like to say definitely, definitely work with your physician. They are trying to do their best for you. Work with your physician. Follow the treatment regimen that they give. Ask about clinical trials that you are eligible for and that you can enroll into. Then, of course, having a support group. So, there are many patient advocacy groups right now for non-small cell and small cell lung cancer.  

I think being a part of such a patient advocacy group where you have people going through the same journey, I think, it really helps. It helps you sort of manage your disease better. It helps you stay hopeful when you hear about other people’s sort of prognosis and if they have durable benefits from drugs. So, I think having a support group is very important. If there is an ability for you to contribute to research in terms of giving blood or tissues, if your physician is saying that you could be eligible for that, I think a contribution to research is really key. 

Because looking at the disease mechanisms in the clinical tissue is sort of where for us it is absolutely golden. We go there. We look at the disease mechanisms and tissues. If there is an opportunity for you, then I think it should definitely be explored.  

Finally, I would like to say we are really trying as researchers to really understand the disease better. We’re trying to do that better. I hope and I pray that we go faster with it. But I think there is hope right now for patients with small cell lung cancer. The research is really progressing better. There are many clinical trials.  

So, I think stay hopeful and have a peer support group who can take you through this quite difficult journey.  

Katherine:

Why should patients consider consulting with a lung cancer specialist?  

Dr. Sen:

I think it’s crucial because these lung cancer specialists really know the current state of the art treatments. They are thought leaders. They participate in trials. They actually sit on advisory boards with companies.  

They are strategizing the entire treatment landscape for this disease. So, if you go to a lung cancer specialist, you’re more likely to get the most updated knowledge about what treatments are out there, what you qualify for, what are the clinical trials out there, and what are working in patients. This is not just for small cell. There are many, many trials that are happening in non-small cell also. So, whatever your diagnosis is, a specialist should be able to tell you what your options are. You really want to know about your options. Your options about biomarker testing.   

Your options about screening. Your options about trials. I think a lung cancer specialist can really guide you towards that.   

Katherine:

Dr. Sen, thank you so much for joining us today. It’s been a pleasure speaking with you.  

Dr. Sen:

Thank you.  

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Katherine:

Dr. Sen, you are a leading researcher in the field. What is the latest research news that you can share with us about small cell lung cancer?

Dr. Sen:

There’s a lot of great research going on in my lab and labs all across the world. I think for the first time in a very long time, we are really trying to dissect the biology of small cell.   

It has been a research in making for many years. I think we have now really come to a point where we are really trying to understand the disease. I’ll go into a little more about the questions you are trying to answer. So, one of the main questions or one  of the main things that kind of is a hurdle to getting durable treatment options is that the frontline chemotherapy and immunotherapy doesn’t work as well as they should even for the approved regimens, which is the chemotherapy and the immunotherapy.  

The patients often do not have durable benefits. Even if patients have durable benefits, it’s only in a very minority of patient population which means in only about 10 to 15 percent of the total patient population actually do have any benefit from the frontline treatment. So, the main question that we are trying to answer is that why do these patients not respond to immunotherapy and chemotherapy in the frontline.  

What are the mechanisms of resistance to chemotherapy and immunotherapy? Primary resistance, what I mean by primary resistance is that patients who never respond. The disease comes back even while they’re getting the frontline chemo. So, the primary resistance, the mechanisms. Of course, when they have acquired resistance after the maintenance regimen when they come back, why are these patients having this acquired resistance to chemotherapy and immunotherapy? Because only when we understand resistance mechanisms will we be able to then come to the combination strategies.

That’s the next area of research is that once we understand the mechanism of chemotherapy and immunotherapy resistance is then coming up with effective combination therapy. So, what should we combine with immunotherapy in order to make immunotherapy better? I’ll give you an example from the research that we did. 

So, our lab focus is, as I said, on making immunotherapy better. What we understood is that there are certain epigenetic modifiers like LSD1.  

Repressing these, repressing LSD1, with a small molecule inhibitor actually augments or benefits the response to immunotherapy. So now, we are looking at LSD1 inhibitors in combination with immunotherapy. That’s one area that we are focusing on. The second are that we published extensively on is DNA damage response inhibitors which really works in combination with immunotherapy and makes immunotherapy response better.  

Now, we are investigating that in the lab the combination strategies of combining these DNA damage response inhibitors with immunotherapy. So, combination strategies. I think always coming up with novel targets. I will mention there are many novel targets that are right now in the clinical trials actually showing really, really encouraging data.  

I’m talking about DLL3 targeted BiTEs or ADCs we have seen that are showing preliminary data. We have seen a really good really good response in patients. So, finding these targets that are very specific for small cell and that can work in these unique population of patients.  

So, DLL3 targeted agents. There are agents that target B7-H3. So, we are looking at these novel targets and where they could fit in the current therapeutic regimen. Finally, since small cell lung cancer is not a surgical disease, we have to look for other options to find biomarkers. So, liquid biopsy. Liquid biopsy, what I mean by that is understanding the disease not just from tissue but also from blood.  

There’s a lot of research that’s happening in understanding the biology of small cell from blood draws from these patients.  

So, the field of using liquid biopsy or understanding the disease from blood draws is one of the areas that many labs, including ours, are focusing on, and how we can utilize these blood samples to then monitor the disease and also understand the resistance mechanisms to various drugs. I think these are the areas that we are investigating and seems, to me, very important areas that we need to address in order to really manage small cell lung cancer.   

Katherine:

What do these advances mean for small cell lung cancer patients? Are you hopeful?  

Dr. Sen:

Oh, yes. Of course. We’re always hopeful. That’s the goal, right. The goal is to have effective therapies that work and that works for a long time. That also benefits the patients in terms of quality of life which means without very severe adverse effects.   

So, very hopeful. Because I think what was limiting us for all those years for the last 40 to 50 years is that we really did not understand the complexity of small cell lung cancer. It is a very complex disease. It is very different from non-small cell lung cancer which has these mutations that you can target drugs against. So, there are this EGFR mutations and KRAS mutations in non-small cell.  

But small cell, it’s not that. It is not a disease where we have these GATA function mutations that we can devise therapies against. It’s a very different disease. The disease is aggressive. The disease progresses fast, and it also changes its physiology very fast. So, I think for the first time, we really are trying to understand the biology. What that helps is then to come with very informed decisions about therapy.  

So, yeah, I’m very hopeful. Because I think we have now targets that we are actually seeing benefits in patients. I think the more and more we understand resistance mechanisms, we’ll also be able to manage that better.   

Katherine:

That’s very promising news. 

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Katherine:

How do test results impact care? 

Dr. Sen:

So, you know, once the doctor has confirmed the small cell lung cancer and we have confirmed what stage it is at – what I mean by staging is that it could be either a limited stage disease which is an early stage small cell, or it could be an extensive stage of small cell. The treatment for those two are quite different. So, if it is an early stage or limited stage, patients are usually treated with chemoradiation. If it is an extensive stage or a metastatic small cell, then patients are usually given a standard of care which is chemotherapy in culmination with immunotherapy which is an antibody against PD-L1.  

Katherine:

You’re talking about treatment options that are currently available for small cell lung cancer. What about targeted therapies?  

Dr. Sen:

There aren’t very many therapeutic strategies that are targeted therapies as we speak like we hear from non-small cell lung cancer.  

So currently, like I mentioned, the frontline treatment for small cell lung cancer is with chemotherapy and immunotherapy and maintenance with immunotherapy alone.  

Once the patient relapses, which often is the case – all patients actually have resistance to the frontline chemo-io (chemoimmunotherapy) at some point in time. Once they have a relapse disease, the second line of therapy until now is with either topotecan or irinotecan which are two topoisomerase inhibitors or with lurbinectedin which is in the second line.  

So, when it comes to targeted therapies, so far we a have seen, you know, the conventional way that we think about EGFR inhibitors or KRAS inhibitors, it hasn’t been the case so far with small cell lung cancer. It’s very limited in the current approved setting. But there are many clinical trials that are investigating several targeted therapies that are either targeting – I can speak about that more as I talk about research strategy. But there are many targeted agents that are targeting surface targets like DLL3, B7-H3, or SEZ6. There are other targets that are targeting things like DNA damage repair, proteins, or epigenetic regulators like LSD1. But so far in the approved setting, it is quite limited.  

Katherine:

When we look at what therapies are available, what treatment options are available, what are some typical side effects? How are they managed?  

Dr. Sen:

Some of the major side effects that you see, especially with a frontline chemo-io (chemoimmunotherapy), are very common like you see with other cancer types. Also, it’s usually myelosuppression.  

I think it is prevented or is managed either by dose reduction or treatment delays or treated with transfusion. There has been research that CDK4/6 inhibitors, trilaciclib, when treated with in combination with chemotherapy can bring down the side effects that we see with chemotherapy.  

Some of the immunotherapy related adverse events includes pneumonitis, colitis. They are usually treated with early steroids, treatment withholding, and also it could be leading to permanent discontinuation of the treatment if the adverse events are really severe. Those are mainly what we see we the chemo-io (chemoimmunotherapy) regimen that is given up front.  

Katherine:

Okay. What questions should someone be asking about their proposed treatment plan?  

Dr. Sen:

Right. So, I think, of course, first is what stage. The treatment will depend upon the stage of small cell. Usually, on the frontline, everyone is given chemotherapy and immunotherapy. 

It’s a systemic therapy that’s being given. But I think the patient should be asking questions like are there clinical trials available for me. Because there are multiple clinical trials right now in the frontline and the second line setting.  

So, I think definitely the patient should ask about the clinical trials that the qualify for. In terms of contributing to research, I think if there are options for them to either sign up for blood collection protocol or for tissue collection protocol, I think the patient should definitely enroll for that.   

Because that really helps our research strategy. But in terms of treatment, I think they should ask about available clinical trials that they qualify for.  

Katherine:

Let’s turn to clinical trials then. Patient participation, of course, is essential to finding new and better treatments. What would you say to someone who’s hesitant to participate in a clinical trial?  

Dr. Sen:

Yes. I mean, that’s often the thing. We hear about these novel drugs. They’re in trial. For a disease that’s that aggressive, I think once there is a relapse, I think clinical trials could be a very good option for patients. These are novel drugs that have come out of very robust research that we do in the lab. They can often work quite a bit. So, I think, of course, talk to your physicians. Talk to them at length about whether you do qualify for it. But if there is a trial at the center that you’re getting treated at and if the doctor advises that, I think enrolling in a clinical trial could be a very good option for patients, especially in the aggressive setting where there are not many options available for patients.  

As I mentioned here, research is my true north. I mean, all my lab does is understanding the biology of small cell. It’s extremely essential that we actually try to get the knowledge of the patient tumor. So, if you have availability of contributing either in terms of tissue or blood to research, I think I would advise and encourage patients to definitely contribute to that.